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Why give up assets again to fix problems? This team is not challenging for a cup next year, I would keep Murray and let him walk at the end of the season
This team is not a contender as currently structured so I would wait until it’s a championship level team before making these cap killing moves
This team is not a contender as currently structured so I would wait until it’s a championship level team before making these cap killing moves
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Didn't we pay Carolina a first to buy out Marleau?? Well done Dubas after everybody and his aunt knew what Murray was.
Peasy
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13th overall to dump marleau
Kings just paid a 2nd to dump basically 2 years of a 3m cap hit for Petersen.
Should be paying like a 3rd max to dump murray.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
In theory one year of Murray should cost less than two years of Murray but if you can't find anybody willing to take Murray, it could cost you more.13th overall to dump marleau
Kings just paid a 2nd to dump basically 2 years of a 3m cap hit for Petersen.
Should be paying like a 3rd max to dump murray.
Impossible. Dubas can do no wrong
6.25 is the cap hit and salary is 8 million
Remember when Dubas fans were like, well, Dubas cleaned up Marleau's contract ?
Poor Dubie, he was handcuffed
At least Marleau played for the Leafs in playoffs and was one of our better players
Murry got ousted by a rookie. he wasn't even our back up
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Sens are on the hook for 25% so we are trading 4.7m cap hit and $6m of the last year of the Murray deal.
And believe it or not, Shanny was ready to extend Dubas. SMH.
Thank you
I feel slightly better now.
Dubas should be all over this. Don't the Pens need a goalie?
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
| Alex Pietrangelo | D | R | 6-3 | 210 |
| Shea Theodore | D | R | 6-2 | 195 |
| Zach Whitecloud | D | R | 6-2 | 211 |
| Brayden McNabb | D | R | 6-4 | 216 |
| Alec Martinez | D | R | 6-1 | 209 |
| Nicolas Hague | D | R | 6-6 | 230 |
These guys probably had something to do with it. Our D is not even close.
Year after year the offense dries up in the playoffs and somehow it's always the D's fault.
Florida's D was garbage and they made it to the finals on their goalie's back. That's not necessarily a great model to emulate, though! Just stop rewriting history, please.
Florida's D was garbage and they made it to the finals on their goalie's back. That's not necessarily a great model to emulate, though! Just stop rewriting history, please.
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With the expected arbitration signing of Samsonov and no other moves to date, it's safe to say that they will be running with Samsonov and Woll this year.
I'm good with that.
I'm good with that.
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Probably no more than a 3.5MM hit for 1 yr and the team can reassess next year if Woll is ready to take over the net. Sammy will still be an RFA and can be traded
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Update on Murray
Johnston notes the Maple Leafs’ backup plan if they fail to find a suitable deal is the second buyout window. He writes:
Speculation has arisen regarding the potential placement of Murray on long-term injured reserve (LTIR), offering the Toronto Maple Leafs $4,687,500 of cap relief. However, it appears unlikely as Murray has been medically cleared. Not only that, but Murray’s particular contract allows the Leafs to take advantage of a reasonably manageable buyout scenario where the biggest savings come this season when the cap ceiling is the lowest.
With capologist Brandon Pridham on the case and working to find Treliving the best options, it sounds like a buyout is a direction the Leafs are leaning. As the offseason progresses, the Maple Leafs will continue exploring trade options but they remain prepared to benefit from the salary arbitration process with Samsonov. Ultimately, the team’s goal is to find the most effective and efficient solution while maintaining a competitive roster for the upcoming season.
It’s not ideal and it comes with a cost, but navigating the salary cap landscape is a delicate task for NHL teams, and for the Maple Leafs, who just added a few key pieces in free agency, the trouble might be worth the reward.
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Maple Leafs Have Plan A and Plan B to Move On from Matt Murray
Chris Johnston of NorthStar Bets says that trade discussions involving Murray are ongoing. That said, it seems unlikely with all of the goaltenders available that Murray would be more attractive of an option than someone like John Gibson or Connor Hellebuyck. Even at a highly-discounted rate (essentially free with a sweetener) there won’t be many, if any, takers for Murray’s contract.Johnston notes the Maple Leafs’ backup plan if they fail to find a suitable deal is the second buyout window. He writes:
When Could the Leafs Buy Out Murray?
According to PuckPedia, teams may receive an additional buyout window. They write,” If a team has a player go to arbitration and it is either settled or awarded, the team receives a new 48-hour buyout window beginning 3 days after the arbitration settlement or award.” It continues, “The only contracts that are eligible to be bought out in this window are for player with Cap Hits greater than $4M AND they were on the team’s roster at the last trade deadline.” Murray meets all the requirements necessary to be eligible within this window, as his $4.6 million cap hit and injury status during the trade deadline factor into the criteria.Speculation has arisen regarding the potential placement of Murray on long-term injured reserve (LTIR), offering the Toronto Maple Leafs $4,687,500 of cap relief. However, it appears unlikely as Murray has been medically cleared. Not only that, but Murray’s particular contract allows the Leafs to take advantage of a reasonably manageable buyout scenario where the biggest savings come this season when the cap ceiling is the lowest.
With capologist Brandon Pridham on the case and working to find Treliving the best options, it sounds like a buyout is a direction the Leafs are leaning. As the offseason progresses, the Maple Leafs will continue exploring trade options but they remain prepared to benefit from the salary arbitration process with Samsonov. Ultimately, the team’s goal is to find the most effective and efficient solution while maintaining a competitive roster for the upcoming season.
It’s not ideal and it comes with a cost, but navigating the salary cap landscape is a delicate task for NHL teams, and for the Maple Leafs, who just added a few key pieces in free agency, the trouble might be worth the reward.
Maple Leafs Have Plan A and Plan B to Move On from Matt Murray - The Hockey Writers Toronto Maple Leafs Latest News, Analysis & More
The Toronto Maple Leafs have a Plan A and Plan B to move goaltender Matt Murray. Expect the goaltender to be gone one way or another.
thehockeywriters.com
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For those interested, this is an episode that was on recently on the Rink Rat Report podcast featuring a guest who has a goalie science podcast. He talks about our 3 goalies, stat tracking data and NHL team scouting (or lack there of) and drafting of goaltenders
Woll has top 5 in league upside .. like i said when we drafted him he was our #1 prospect from day we drafted him .. there are very very very few tenders anywhere who have 1 on 1 game of Woll .. he is learning his angles day by day and his progressions on this front will determine if he will become a top 5 tender in world .. injuries slowed him down a bit early on .. but kid is very very very confident and he plays better da bigger da game .. if we had a tough nasty net front D he would already be there but we don't
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Phew man, the goaltending, it stinks.
Last year the Leafs went with two backups in net. This year they don't even have that. They went from shitty to shittier.
What a load of crap.
The most important position in the game. And the Leafs cheap out on it every time. I guess fans are expected to be bursting with joy over a Samsonov/Woll tandem in a contention year.
I wish I was so irrationally exhuberant.
They doubled down on stupid. Two guys with both performance and injury concerns. Along with Jones, the worst goalie in the league last year, for relief.
Rather than going with the "best goalie not in the NHL", Treliving went with the "worst goalie already in the NHL" instead.
Once again the goaltending doesn't pass the sniff test. A steaming hot pile. It reeks worse than PePe's ass.
Smelly, smelly, smelly.
Pee-yew.
Last year the Leafs went with two backups in net. This year they don't even have that. They went from shitty to shittier.
What a load of crap.
The most important position in the game. And the Leafs cheap out on it every time. I guess fans are expected to be bursting with joy over a Samsonov/Woll tandem in a contention year.
I wish I was so irrationally exhuberant.
They doubled down on stupid. Two guys with both performance and injury concerns. Along with Jones, the worst goalie in the league last year, for relief.
Rather than going with the "best goalie not in the NHL", Treliving went with the "worst goalie already in the NHL" instead.
Once again the goaltending doesn't pass the sniff test. A steaming hot pile. It reeks worse than PePe's ass.
Smelly, smelly, smelly.
Pee-yew.
acrobaticgoalie
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Peasy
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If the Devils werent able to/didnt want to pay his price/new contract, then why/how could the Leafs.
Peasy
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Doesnt address how you get him this year lol.
And nty to paying an over 30 goalie 8m+ for 8 years.
acrobaticgoalie
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Ok so an expiring goalie who wants to play in the US and wants like 9M going into his 30s.
