Prospect Info: 2024 47th Overall, Max Plante

[ElProfessor]

I guess the Shanahanman schtick with Danielson got old so he moved on to a new account and prospect. Hopefully there's a ball hockey tournament somewhere soon so we can all get a break

I like Danielson.

And forgive me for being observant re: noticing that Plante probably doesn't have NHL talent.

 

[ElProfessor]

Yep, not worth responding to at all. I just realised it too late lol

Yes.

I ask you half a dozen times to send me ONE clip of this kid demonstrating NHL talent..

And what you finally send me is a 50 second "shooting highlight" reel of what looks like an ECHL talent.

I asked my question: "What is it that all the Plante lovers see in this kid that I don't?".

And I got my answer: Nothing.

Thanks.

I am not worth responding to.

 

[newfy]

Yes.

I ask you half a dozen times to send me ONE clip of this kid demonstrating NHL talent..

And what you finally send me is a 50 second "shooting highlight" reel of what looks like an ECHL talent.

I asked my question: "What is it that all the Plante lovers see in this kid that I don't?".

And I got my answer: Nothing.

Thanks.

I am not worth responding to.

When you said he cant penalty kill despite killing penalties well, the literally only time you've watched him play should've been when I realized it lol. You finally got something right in your posts though with that last line I guess

 

[ElProfessor]

When you said he cant penalty kill despite killing penalties well, the literally only time you've watched him play should've been when I realized it lol. You finally got something right in your posts though with that last line I guess

I've watched him kill penalties...he won't be able to do it the NHL level...he's too slow.

You seem to have bad eyes for hockey.

And to generally be an unhappy/unfunny person.

So I'm going to block you. Remember me when Plante amounts to nothing

 

[Frk It]

No. I am a human being. Like all human beings, I make assumptions based on available information. Like all human beings, I have made my assumption (here) based on available information.

From what I can see, he seems to not be physical...not he fast enough to pk...and to not have special offensive talent.

I am asking his "lovers" to show me new information.

Send me some clips of him doing Anything special on offense... or of him making Any impressive plays on defense. Certainly you could at least send me one if there are so many.

I haven’t seen him play much but people have usually commented that his biggest strength is his playmaking/passing ability. (Some people even said he was one of the best passers in the draft last year)

If you are focusing on his shooting/PK ability, that might be why you aren’t seeing his biggest strength.

He had 69 assists in 76 games last year and 8 assists in 11 college games so far.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

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[ElProfessor]

I haven’t seen him play much but people have usually commented that his biggest strength is his playmaking/passing ability. (Some people even said he was one of the best passers in the draft last year)

If you are focusing on his shooting/PK ability, that might be why you aren’t seeing his biggest strength.

He had 69 assists in 76 games last year and 8 assists in 11 college games so far.

I've watched his US games and seen his youtube highlights. I never see him making really exceptional, high-skill/IQ required passes.

I mostly just see him on a line of All-Stars racking up ast #'s making simple passes to studs playing against the sisters of the poor.

 

[Konnan511]

I've watched his US games and seen his youtube highlights. I never see him making really exceptional, high-skill/IQ required passes.

I mostly just see him on a line of All-Stars racking up ast #'s making simple passes to studs playing against the sisters of the poor.

Max Plante, as a Freshman, is 10th in the nation in points per game. The only Freshman in the top 20. He has points in all games this season, except for 2.

Scouting Report from WJC: "Max Plante, LW (USA): Plante had a solid showing with three points, but he also rarely lost a battle on a shift. That’s because he’s always moving and forcing you to make quick decisions on the fly. He’s a high-end playmaker who should play serious minutes next year – his ability to play with anyone and generate opportunities makes him solid."

Who were you before ElProfessor? Come on...you can tell me, I won't tell anyone

 

[dtown77]

Most prospects don't make it, so if you sh*t on all of them I guess you're right more times then not.. So I guess there is that.

 

[SirloinUB]

Max Plante, as a Freshman, is 10th in the nation in points per game. The only Freshman in the top 20. He has points in all games this season, except for 2.

Scouting Report from WJC: "Max Plante, LW (USA): Plante had a solid showing with three points, but he also rarely lost a battle on a shift. That’s because he’s always moving and forcing you to make quick decisions on the fly. He’s a high-end playmaker who should play serious minutes next year – his ability to play with anyone and generate opportunities makes him solid."

To add to this:

"Plante is one of the most skilled passers in the draft, especially off the backhand. He feathers pucks through the tiniest of openings. Defensive pressure only empowers him; he takes advantage of assertive defending by ripping a pass right through it. He deceives enough to open lanes, but also knows when to make the quick pass for the counterattack." Elite Prospects

Dude is leading his team in points/game while sitting 11th in the league. He played World Juniors at 18, will be eligible next year.

I'm not sure why anyone would be trying to cap him as a prospect at this point.

 

[DoMakc]

I've watched his US games and seen his youtube highlights. I never see him making really exceptional, high-skill/IQ required passes.

I mostly just see him on a line of All-Stars racking up ast #'s making simple passes to studs playing against the sisters of the poor.

That's a pretty convenient position, isn't it: i'm not convinced, i don't see it, please show me. The thing is you can only show something to somebody who is wants to see. You can try to look as objectivistic as possible ("analyse available information, make assumptions based on it") in the end your position is very subjective, because it is all about your perception of this information (cannot PK despite doing well in that role currently, not having high IQ, despite raking up assists on very high for a freshman level). All these is not based on any objective information, but on how you proceed this information with the help of your expertise. The thing is, in order to argue based on expertise you need to demonstrate it first. You are making an assumption and asks others to disprove it , where it is actually up to you to provide a proof for your assumption. Until you do so i will consider you as another elderly ball hockey player who hates himself and the world, with no expertise whatsoever.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

No. I am a human being. Like all human beings, I make assumptions based on available information. Like all human beings, I have made my assumption (here) based on available information.

From what I can see, he seems to not be physical...not he fast enough to pk...and to not have special offensive talent.

I am asking his "lovers" to show me new information.

Send me some clips of him doing Anything special on offense... or of him making Any impressive plays on defense. Certainly you could at least send me one if there are so many.

Do you have clips supporting your position that he lacks physicality, that he’s not fast enough to kill penalties (which is a curious suggestion to me in the first place - I don’t think straight line speed is that crucial for penalty killing. I think agility and anticipation are, and those often correlate with being “fast”, but are distinct characteristics), or that his offensive abilities aren’t likely to translate up effectively?

 

[ElProfessor]

Max Plante, as a Freshman, is 10th in the nation in points per game. The only Freshman in the top 20. He has points in all games this season, except for 2.

Scouting Report from WJC: "Max Plante, LW (USA): Plante had a solid showing with three points, but he also rarely lost a battle on a shift. That’s because he’s always moving and forcing you to make quick decisions on the fly. He’s a high-end playmaker who should play serious minutes next year – his ability to play with anyone and generate opportunities makes him solid."

Who were you before ElProfessor? Come on...you can tell me, I won't tell anyone

Before I lost my medical license in the US? My origin story??

He's scored 8 goals, great. Plenty of bad scouts in the world (especially writing free articles on the internet). Plenty of top-10 NCAA points players who had nice careers entertaining AHL fanbases.

Hope I'm wrong.

That's a pretty convenient position, isn't it: i'm not convinced, i don't see it, please show me. The thing is you can only show something to somebody who is wants to see. You can try to look as objectivistic as possible ("analyse available information, make assumptions based on it") in the end your position is very subjective, because it is all about your perception of this information (cannot PK despite doing well in that role currently, not having high IQ, despite raking up assists on very high for a freshman level). All these is not based on any objective information, but on how you proceed this information with the help of your expertise. The thing is, in order to argue based on expertise you need to demonstrate it first. You are making an assumption and asks others to disprove it , where it is actually up to you to provide a proof for your assumption. Until you do so i will consider you as another elderly ball hockey player who hates himself and the world, with no expertise whatsoever.

Nice article.

Do you have clips supporting your position that he lacks physicality, that he’s not fast enough to kill penalties (which is a curious suggestion to me in the first place - I don’t think straight line speed is that crucial for penalty killing. I think agility and anticipation are, and those often correlate with being “fast”, but are distinct characteristics), or that his offensive abilities aren’t likely to translate up effectively?

Yes. That clip above ^ the other guy posted that was supposed to be highlighting his strengths.

 

[SirloinUB]

Before I lost my medical license in the US? My origin story??

He's scored 8 goals, great. Plenty of bad scouts in the world (especially writing free articles on the internet). Plenty of top-10 NCAA points players who had nice careers entertaining AHL fanbases.

Hope I'm wrong.


Nice article.


Yes. That clip above ^ the other guy posted that was supposed to be highlighting his strengths.

Your fixation and dismissal of him as a prospect is really odd.

Everything is pointing to a solid prospect here. The USNTDP has been a fan of this kid since he was 16. He has posted solid numbers at world juniors (in a support role as an 18 year old with eligibility to return next season) and other international tournaments with the US team.

Bob Mackenzie had him ranked 65th in his draft class. (As reminder Mackenzie's rankings are a consolidation of NHL scout opinions). He's demonstrated good production as a College Freshman carrying the best points/game on his team, flashes a high ceiling and an ability to play in different roles/systems.

Maybe he ultimately amounts to nothing but it's far too early. Overall he has trended well as a young prospect. Let him cook.

 

[ElProfessor]

Your fixation and dismissal of him as a prospect is really odd.

Everything is pointing to a solid prospect here. The USNTDP has been a fan of this kid since he was 16. He has posted solid numbers at world juniors (in a support role as an 18 year old with eligibility to return next season) and other international tournaments with the US team.

Bob Mackenzie had him ranked 65th in his draft class. (As reminder Mackenzie's rankings are a consolidation of NHL scout opinions). He's demonstrated good production as a College Freshman carrying the best points/game on his team, flashes a high ceiling and an ability to play in different roles/systems.

Maybe he ultimately amounts to nothing but it's far too early. Overall he has trended well as a young prospect. Let him cook.

I think everyone in this thread's obsession w him as a prospect is really odd.

Look at him. He's objectively slow. He's objectively not physical. And me saying he won't be a good NHL penalty killer outrages you?? Bc he was on an all-star team's 2nd pk?

Look at his skill. He's objectively half as skilled as Berggren (who we're probably going to part ways with soon, as he's not talented enough to be a top-six player, and brings nothing else to the table). And me saying he won't be talented enough to be a top-six forward on an NHL team outrages you?? Bc he's scored 8 goals in whatever league Minnesota-Duluth plays in? The world famous "NCHC".

Anyone who watches him and thinks he'll be good...I don't think you have any eyes whatsoever for hockey players. And I'm guessing most of you were also the last to realize Filppula sucked.

End.

 

[SirloinUB]

I think everyone in this thread's obsession w him as a prospect is really odd.

Look at him. He's objectively slow. He's objectively not physical. And me saying he won't be a good NHL penalty killer outrages you?? Bc he was on an all-star team's 2nd pk?

Look at his skill. He's objectively half as skilled as Berggren (who we're probably going to part ways with soon, as he's not talented enough to be a top-six player, and brings nothing else to the table). And me saying he won't be talented enough to be a top-six forward on an NHL team outrages you?? Bc he's scored 8 goals in whatever league Minnesota-Duluth plays in?

Anyone who watches him and thinks he'll be good...I don't think you have any eyes whatsoever for hockey players. And I'm guessing most of you were also the last to realize Filppula sucked.

End.

What about my post led you to the impression I am obsessed with him or outraged? Thanks for the gaslighting me though.

I find your entire perspective odd when we are talking about a 2nd rounder who has trended well and you've seemingly written him off entirely. Guys aren't drafted for what they are as player at 17/18. They are drafted for what they might develop into at 22/23.

And maybe you're ultimately right that he has no future in the league but what more can you ask of a 2nd rounder than making his World Junior team as an 18 year old and producing above a point per game in the NCAA as a true freshman?

What's the stat? 25% of 2nd rounders make the league. You're talking like he was a surefire first round pick when in reality he was a long shot pick that is on a nice path since his draft.

It all just comes off as really hostile towards a prospect that has positively checked some boxes in his development path.

 

[WestlakeWingFan]

Plante looks like a nice depth forward with perhaps a higher ceiling than first thought. He’s a nice piece to have down the line or to use as a trade chip. It’s a nice position to be in as an organization.

Btw - I ignored that one guy y’all are replying too. Makes reading this thread fairly odd. lol

 

[ElProfessor]

Plante looks like a nice depth forward with perhaps a higher ceiling than first thought. He’s a nice piece to have down the line or to use as a trade chip. It’s a nice position to be in as an organization.

Btw - I ignored that one guy y’all are replying too. Makes reading this thread fairly odd. lol

Don't you have to be able to play defense to be a "nice depth forward" in the NHL?

 

[RRhoads]

Anyone else just seeing one side of this discussion?

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

What about my post led you to the impression I am obsessed with him or outraged? Thanks for the gaslighting me though.

I find your entire perspective odd when we are talking about a 2nd rounder who has trended well and you've seemingly written him off entirely. Guys aren't drafted for what they are as player at 17/18. They are drafted for what they might develop into at 22/23.

And maybe you're ultimately right that he has no future in the league but what more can you ask of a 2nd rounder than making his World Junior team as an 18 year old and producing above a point per game in the NCAA as a true freshman?

What's the stat? 25% of 2nd rounders make the league. You're talking like he was a surefire first round pick when in reality he was a long shot pick that is on a nice path since his draft.

It all just comes off as really hostile towards a prospect that has positively checked some boxes in his development path.

the professor doesn't care about throwing out awful takes on prospects because by the time we know what kind of player they turn out to be, el p will be on his 4th or 5th new account

 

[RabidBadger]

Look at his skill. He's objectively half as skilled as Berggren

Did you measure their skills with your skill-o-meter to make that "objective" assessment?

 

[Frk It]

I think everyone in this thread's obsession w him as a prospect is really odd.

Look at him. He's objectively slow. He's objectively not physical. And me saying he won't be a good NHL penalty killer outrages you?? Bc he was on an all-star team's 2nd pk?

Look at his skill. He's objectively half as skilled as Berggren (who we're probably going to part ways with soon, as he's not talented enough to be a top-six player, and brings nothing else to the table). And me saying he won't be talented enough to be a top-six forward on an NHL team outrages you?? Bc he's scored 8 goals in whatever league Minnesota-Duluth plays in? The world famous "NCHC".

Anyone who watches him and thinks he'll be good...I don't think you have any eyes whatsoever for hockey players. And I'm guessing most of you were also the last to realize Filppula sucked.

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NCHC schools have been national champs in 6 of the last 8 seasons… so that’s hilarious.

I also like how you try to call assessing someone’s “skill” as “objective” as if it’s not like one of the most subjective things there is when it comes to hockey players.