Goalie controversy thread

[Xerloris]

He didn't. The schedule just got tougher. Husso's been great all season long. I agree regarding Lindgren though. Having said that, I still think they missed out on the chance to give Binnington an extended break and a chance for a reset. If he's ever to play up to his contract, Binnington needs a reset. Don't know if it would have worked but they really should have tried.

Before tonight in the previous 8 games Husso had a 883 sv%. That is far from great.

I want to also add that in Binningtons last 8 games he has an 888 sv%.

So people think Binnington sucks but Husso is fine? Pretty sure they both f***ing suck right now.

 

[TheDizee]

Before tonight in the previous 8 games Husso had a 883 sv%. That is far from great.

I want to also add that in Binningtons last 8 games he has an 888 sv%.

So people think Binnington sucks but Husso is fine? Pretty sure they both f***ing suck right now.

husso had a few bad games, hes still like 6th in the NHL in save %

binner has had a MISERABLE season. hes like 70th in the NHL in save %

 

[Xerloris]

husso had a few bad games, hes still like 6th in the NHL in save %

binner has had a MISERABLE season. hes like 70th in the NHL in save %

You're interpreting the stats wrong. Husso had a completely godlike 2ish months which is artificially keeping his sv% high. Looking at stats month to month is a better gauge of how a player is doing currently than trying to look at the whole.

Also as an aside, I think Husso will pull out of his mini slump before Binnington pulls out of his because I do believe that Binnington is physical and not mental. He was doing fine before covid and he's not been the same since. just my personal opinion.

 

[Hinterland]

You're interpreting the stats wrong. Husso had a completely godlike 2ish months which is artificially keeping his sv% high. Looking at stats month to month is a better gauge of how a player is doing currently than trying to look at the whole.

Also as an aside, I think Husso will pull out of his mini slump before Binnington pulls out of his because I do believe that Binnington is physical and not mental. He was doing fine before covid and he's not been the same since. just my personal opinion.

Binnington has been trending down ever since winning the cup.

Husso played well all season long. The Blues just faced tougher competition lately and maybe also didn't always defend all that well as a team. I don't think Husso played poorly at all. If you look at the latest Blues games I bet in not many of those league save percentage is above 90%.

 

[Cape]

You're interpreting the stats wrong. Husso had a completely godlike 2ish months which is artificially keeping his sv% high. Looking at stats month to month is a better gauge of how a player is doing currently than trying to look at the whole.

Also as an aside, I think Husso will pull out of his mini slump before Binnington pulls out of his because I do believe that Binnington is physical and not mental. He was doing fine before covid and he's not been the same since. just my personal opinion.

Or maybe you can interpret the stats in many ways.

Husso and Binnington have pretty much played the same amount of games this season (29 vs.30). Binner has 15 of those below 90,0 save %. Where as Husso has 8.

In the last 8 games Binner has 5 games under 90,0% and Husso has 3.

In the last 8 games Binner has 2 games above 91,0% and Husso has 3-4, the one of those being 90,9%.

And then there was ex. Nashville game where Blues had no bisnes getting a point in the third and Husso made 3-4 timely great saves and ended with 88,5%.

Anyway. It’s clear watching the stats and the games that Blues have big issues in the own end of the ice. The goalies aren’t the biggest issue on that department even if Binnington is strugling with his confidence att the moment.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

husso had a few bad games, hes still like 6th in the NHL in save %

binner has had a MISERABLE season. hes like 70th in the NHL in save %

Season performamce is relevant when comparing agaimst small sample sizes. Also teams faced is relevant. Binny starts were cheery picked against bottom league offenzive dwellers other than 2 games while most hussos were against plahoff teams. Now husso did have a couple starys tjat were pretty bad but others where he didnt get help. Quality of competition though is very relevant went cross comparing players though

 

[Hinterland]

Before tonight in the previous 8 games Husso had a 883 sv%. That is far from great.

I want to also add that in Binningtons last 8 games he has an 888 sv%.

So people think Binnington sucks but Husso is fine? Pretty sure they both f***ing suck right now.

NYR: 89,5%
NJ: 90,5%
NSH: 89,0%
PIT: 90,4%
CLS: 89,3%
WAS: 89,6%
CAR: 90,1%

Average goalie save percentage vs those teams and they had the Rangers twice, once in Madison square garden as well as Washington, Columbus, Nashville and New Jersey also away. The Blues are a team playing much better at home and those were very tough away games, all 8 games in the more difficult half for goalies looking at average save percentage against. Husso's numbers may not be ideal but he's not far off from league average and had to play 5 of 8 away. It was a very tough stretch of games and the team's defensive play wasn't always ideal.

 

[Xerloris]

NYR: 89,5%
NJ: 90,5%
NSH: 89,0%
PIT: 90,4%
CLS: 89,3%
WAS: 89,6%
CAR: 90,1%

Average goalie save percentage vs those teams and they had the Rangers twice, once in Madison square garden as well as Washington, Columbus, Nashville and New Jersey also away. The Blues are a team playing much better at home and those were very tough away games, all 8 games in the more difficult half for goalies looking at average save percentage against. Husso's numbers may not be ideal but he's not far off from league average and had to play 5 of 8 away. It was a very tough stretch of games and the team's defensive play wasn't always ideal.

This isn't the 80's and sub 900 sv% is not average.

I think some people are missing my point. Husso can put up the same numbers as Binnington and people are ok with that but if it's Binnington people cry and moan about it. The team plays shit defense in front of both of them most of the time and outside of a 2 month stretch their numbers are pretty similar.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

This isn't the 80's and sub 900 sv% is not average.

I think some people are missing my point. Husso can put up the same numbers as Binnington and people are ok with that but if it's Binnington people cry and moan about it. The team plays shit defense in front of both of them most of the time and outside of a 2 month stretch their numbers are pretty similar.

1. husso was vs tougher competition. binnys starts were vs bottom teams.
2. theres a difference between putting up those numbers over 8 game stretch and putting them up the whole season. of course guys are going to cut more slack to a guy for and 8 game stretch when hes in the top 5 for the year of sv% than they will a guy who has been putting up a smilar bad sv% for the whole year. ITs not that surprising.

 

[Hinterland]

This isn't the 80's and sub 900 sv% is not average.

I think some people are missing my point. Husso can put up the same numbers as Binnington and people are ok with that but if it's Binnington people cry and moan about it. The team plays shit defense in front of both of them most of the time and outside of a 2 month stretch their numbers are pretty similar.

Did you even read my post? 5 of 8 games were vs teams goalies average a save percentage of below 90% and 5 of those games were away games. Also, the Blues didn't always play well in front of Husso.

So it's not just about the save percentage. You also have to take into account the difficulty of the starts. Binnington, for a good while now, only gets the easiest of starts. The last team goalies average sub 90% against Binnington faced January 16th (Toronto). Since then he got 8 easier starts. Besides that, Husso's numbers are so much better than Binnington's, I don't even know why you're trying to argue here. Husso is the clear cut nr.1 now.

 

[TheDizee]

ever since binnington knew the olympics were not gonna happen, he has been absolutely putrid.

wonder if that has played into it.

 

[TheDizee]

we want chucky sideburns

 

[ChicagoBlues]

we want chucky sideburns

No, YOU want Chucky Sideburns.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

we want chucky sideburns

You want him. Not "we"

 

[TheDizee]

id take jake allen in 2018 over binner right now and thats not even factoring in cap hit which makes it a no brainer.

 

[TheDizee]

Army it is time.

You tried to be loyal to the guy who won you a cup. it is not working anymore. just like when it was time for old yeller to go, it is time to take binner put him down into the AHL. it is nothing personal, it is strictly what is best for business. we cannot continue to let him spin his wheels while trying to get his game back and score 5 goals a game for him but still lose because he lets in more.

please do the right thing and recall the goaltender who saved your season and deserves another shot to power the blues into the playoffs. chucky sideburns did nothing to deserve a demotion, he only spit out all star numbers and was loved by his teammates.

do the right thing army and recall chucky.

 

[TheDizee]

 

[WeWentBlues]

Not going to lie. I just pulled up the same thing. Blues have never gone the buyout route. 21M for a guy to not play for you is a lot of jack for a midmarket team.

 

[execwrite1]

Lindgren Delivers Legendary Performance in 1-0 OT Win​

 

[TheDizee]

Lindgren Delivers Legendary Performance in 1-0 OT Win​

WE WANT CHUCKY SIDEBURNS!!!!!!!!

 

[oPlaiD]

Well if often stuff like a goaltending or quarterback controversy may be a construct of fans ire, it seems the team and coach are certainly feeling the same this time.

Berube's post-game interview ():

Reporter: "Craig, how do you explain that first period?"
Berube: "We need saves."
Q: "Anything else there?"
Berube: "... Nothing. Nothing. That's it."
"How does Binnington get his confidence back?"
Berube: "I don't know. Play better. I mean, you gotta play better." We don't... but I dunno, that's... a tough question."
Q: "Also, uh... maybe defensemen or forwards, need to share some of the blame there?"
Berube: "Yeah, there's mistakes. I'm not saying there's not mistakes, but, you know, mistakes happen in games."
Q: "And you gotta make saves."
Berube: "Yes."
"So how about the 4-1 against these guys is a big hill to climb, how about the comeback?"
Berube: "I felt like, I said in the first period, after the first period, you know, we're going to get opportunities. We stayed with it and we got a big point... We talked about shooting the puck tonight and we did that, and we were rewarded with five goals.
Q: "A little disappointment though that, five goals, should be enough to..."
Berube: "One hundred percent."

There was a lot of disappointment at the play in our end during the first period last night with good reason, but sometimes the puck rolls over your stick no matter how focused you are, and sometimes it happens a couple times in a row. You can't expect the goalie to bail you out in every one of those situations but they need to in some of them. Binnington did that in the Stanley Cup Finals for us, after all. But last night, and in every game this season, he's not ever able to do that, he's pouring more gasoline onto the fire.

Binnington has clearly lost his confidence for whatever reason, and we're now at the point where the coach and likely the team has also lost their confidence in him. It's hard for me to believe we've reached this point but it really feels like we need to make a difficult move here as it'd be best for all parties involved. I don't know much about the logistics of waiving Binnington or whatnot, but it really feels like something needs to give, and it's hard to imagine the team relying on him even as a backup for the rest of the season.

 

[Cotton McKnight]

Well if often stuff like a goaltending or quarterback controversy may be a construct of fans ire, it seems the team and coach are certainly feeling the same this time.

Berube's post-game interview ():

Reporter: "Craig, how do you explain that first period?"
Berube: "We need saves."
Q: "Anything else there?"
Berube: "... Nothing. Nothing. That's it."
"How does Binnington get his confidence back?"
Berube: "I don't know. Play better. I mean, you gotta play better." We don't... but I dunno, that's... a tough question."
"Also, uh... maybe defensemen or forwards, need to share some of the blame there?"
Berube: "Yeah, there's mistakes. I'm not saying there's not mistakes, but, you know, mistakes happen in games."
"And you gotta make saves."
Berube: "Yes."
"So how about the 4-1 against these guys is a big hill to climb, how about the comeback?"
Berube: "I felt like, I said in the first period, after the first period, you know, we're going to get opportunities. We stayed with it and we got a big point... We talked about shooting the puck tonight and we did that, and we were rewarded with five goals.
Q: "A little disappointment though that, five goals, should be enough to..."
Berube: "One hundred percent."

There was a lot of disappointment at the play in our end during the first period last night with good reason, but sometimes the puck rolls over your stick no matter how focused you are, and sometimes it happens a couple times in a row. You can't expect the goalie to bail you out in every one of those situations but they need to in some of them. Binnington did that in the Stanley Cup Finals for us, after all. But last night, and in every game this season, he's not ever able to do that, he's pouring more gasoline onto the fire.

Binnington has clearly lost his confidence for whatever reason, and we're now at the point where the coach and likely the team has also lost their confidence in him. It's hard for me to believe we've reached this point but it really feels like we need to make a difficult move here as it'd be best for all parties involved. I don't know much about the logistics of waiving Binnington or whatnot, but it really feels like something needs to give, and it's hard to imagine the team relying on him even as a backup for the rest of the season.

That was hard to watch, you just know if that presser gets to Binnington his ultra low confidence is just completely destroyed. On the other side of it all, it was true, said plainly.

If DA can somehow move Binner's contract without retaining cap it will be amazing. Otherwise I think there's a good chance the Blues are saddled with Binner good or bad.

 

[Xerloris]

Well if often stuff like a goaltending or quarterback controversy may be a construct of fans ire, it seems the team and coach are certainly feeling the same this time.

Berube's post-game interview ():

Reporter: "Craig, how do you explain that first period?"
Berube: "We need saves."
Q: "Anything else there?"
Berube: "... Nothing. Nothing. That's it."
"How does Binnington get his confidence back?"
Berube: "I don't know. Play better. I mean, you gotta play better." We don't... but I dunno, that's... a tough question."
Q: "Also, uh... maybe defensemen or forwards, need to share some of the blame there?"
Berube: "Yeah, there's mistakes. I'm not saying there's not mistakes, but, you know, mistakes happen in games."
Q: "And you gotta make saves."
Berube: "Yes."
"So how about the 4-1 against these guys is a big hill to climb, how about the comeback?"
Berube: "I felt like, I said in the first period, after the first period, you know, we're going to get opportunities. We stayed with it and we got a big point... We talked about shooting the puck tonight and we did that, and we were rewarded with five goals.
Q: "A little disappointment though that, five goals, should be enough to..."
Berube: "One hundred percent."

There was a lot of disappointment at the play in our end during the first period last night with good reason, but sometimes the puck rolls over your stick no matter how focused you are, and sometimes it happens a couple times in a row. You can't expect the goalie to bail you out in every one of those situations but they need to in some of them. Binnington did that in the Stanley Cup Finals for us, after all. But last night, and in every game this season, he's not ever able to do that, he's pouring more gasoline onto the fire.

Binnington has clearly lost his confidence for whatever reason, and we're now at the point where the coach and likely the team has also lost their confidence in him. It's hard for me to believe we've reached this point but it really feels like we need to make a difficult move here as it'd be best for all parties involved. I don't know much about the logistics of waiving Binnington or whatnot, but it really feels like something needs to give, and it's hard to imagine the team relying on him even as a backup for the rest of the season.

He does need to be better but at the same time, the comment that "mistakes happen" is absurd. Mistakes is like this teams go to move. We never start games on time and we look like trash almost every single game for the first 10-15 minutes. Maybe address that Craig, Address how you can't get a hockey team ready to play when the puck drops and then I'll give a f*** about your goalie opinion.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

He does need to be better but at the same time, the comment that "mistakes happen" is absurd. Mistakes is like this teams go to move. We never start games on time and we look like trash almost every single game for the first 10-15 minutes. Maybe address that Craig, Address how you can't get a hockey team ready to play when the puck drops and then I'll give a f*** about your goalie opinion.

He's riding the line, man. Berube cannot come straight out ripping on Binnington. It's just post-game gloss.

 

[Hinterland]

Well if often stuff like a goaltending or quarterback controversy may be a construct of fans ire, it seems the team and coach are certainly feeling the same this time.

Berube's post-game interview ():

Reporter: "Craig, how do you explain that first period?"
Berube: "We need saves."
Q: "Anything else there?"
Berube: "... Nothing. Nothing. That's it."
"How does Binnington get his confidence back?"
Berube: "I don't know. Play better. I mean, you gotta play better." We don't... but I dunno, that's... a tough question."
Q: "Also, uh... maybe defensemen or forwards, need to share some of the blame there?"
Berube: "Yeah, there's mistakes. I'm not saying there's not mistakes, but, you know, mistakes happen in games."
Q: "And you gotta make saves."
Berube: "Yes."
"So how about the 4-1 against these guys is a big hill to climb, how about the comeback?"
Berube: "I felt like, I said in the first period, after the first period, you know, we're going to get opportunities. We stayed with it and we got a big point... We talked about shooting the puck tonight and we did that, and we were rewarded with five goals.
Q: "A little disappointment though that, five goals, should be enough to..."
Berube: "One hundred percent."

There was a lot of disappointment at the play in our end during the first period last night with good reason, but sometimes the puck rolls over your stick no matter how focused you are, and sometimes it happens a couple times in a row. You can't expect the goalie to bail you out in every one of those situations but they need to in some of them. Binnington did that in the Stanley Cup Finals for us, after all. But last night, and in every game this season, he's not ever able to do that, he's pouring more gasoline onto the fire.

Binnington has clearly lost his confidence for whatever reason, and we're now at the point where the coach and likely the team has also lost their confidence in him. It's hard for me to believe we've reached this point but it really feels like we need to make a difficult move here as it'd be best for all parties involved. I don't know much about the logistics of waiving Binnington or whatnot, but it really feels like something needs to give, and it's hard to imagine the team relying on him even as a backup for the rest of the season.

Well, Craig...you had your chance to give Binnington an extended break that would have given him time to work on his technique and maybe restore his confidence but you decided to continue to play the guy and fully destroy his confidence. Don't know if it would have worked as I still believe that Binnington really is a poor goalie...but you had your chance, Craig. No need to be sour about the situation now.