Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

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2 mil cap hit UFA with 6 pts in 25 games that doesn't really provide anything meaningful beyond offense, I'm sure team are lining up to send a 7th rounder our way.

Maybe you're right, I've found his play to be pretty steady though. Not a "key" player, but plenty of teams have space and I am sure there are teams looking for a bit of size and speed down the lineup. He has a history of decent secondary scoring, it's not his fault that our secondary scoring has been non-existant.

Plus 2m is really not a lot, especially at the deadline when that's basically equivalent to 500k. Nick Paul is making 1.35m and he has 4 pts, doesn't mean he's just a touch above waiver fodder. And Ennis has 11pts while making 900k, doesnt mean he will return more than a 6th or 7th himself.
 
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Maybe you're right, I've found his play to be pretty steady though. Not a "key" player, but plenty of teams have space and I am sure there are teams looking for a bit of size and speed down the lineup. He has a history of decent secondary scoring, it's not his fault that our secondary scoring has been non-existant.

Plus 2m is really not a lot, especially at the deadline when that's basically equivalent to 500k. Nick Paul is making 1.35m and he has 4 pts, doesn't mean he's just a touch above waiver fodder. And Ennis has 11pts while making 900k, doesnt mean he will return more than a 6th or 7th himself.
Nick Paul actually provides more than offense though, he's primarily a defensive forward, surely you can see how a guy like Paul would be far more desirable for a playoff team to add to their bottom 6 than Sanford... And I agree, Enis isn't likely to draw much interested either. Pts aren't everything unless they are pretty much all you provide, let's not pretend Sanford is throwing his body around creating turnovers and controling play. He's just kind of there, has a very uneven effort level, and gets little accomplished.
 
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Nick Paul actually provides more than offense though, he's primarily a defensive forward, surely you can see how a guy like Paul would be far more desirable for a playoff team to add to their bottom 6 than Sanford... And I agree, Enis isn't likely to draw much interested either. Pts aren't everything unless they are pretty much all you provide, let's not pretend Sanford is throwing his body around creating turnovers and controling play. He's just kind of there, has a very uneven effort level, and gets little accomplished.

I've found him steady, obviously a difference of opinion. Not an "impact" player, but steady enough to contribute in the bottom 6. Teams are always looking for depth, I am sure a team will be interested in him in a 4th line role. And if he was offered up for a 7th, I'm sure teams will be lining up.
 

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I'm guessing ... by the trade deadline Ottawa gets .... for their UFAs .... although they won't be able to trade all of them.

Paul - 2nd rd pick or re-signed
Tierny - 3rd rd pick
Sanford - 3rd or 4th rd pick
Holden - 3rd or 4th rd pick
Ennis - 5th rd or 6th rd pick
Gaudette RFA - goes unsigned & allowed to walk

J. Brown - 5th rd pick
Heatherington - 6th rd pick, re-signed 2 way contract or walks
Meté RFA - goes un-signed or traded
Brannstrom RFA - re-signed & traded

Forsberg - 2nd or 3rd rd pick or maybe re-signed depending on what happens with Murray & Gustavsson.
 

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I'm guessing ... by the trade deadline Ottawa gets .... for their UFAs .... although they won't be able to trade all of them.

Paul - 2nd rd pick or re-signed
Tierny - 3rd rd pick
Sanford - 3rd or 4th rd pick
Holden - 3rd or 4th rd pick
Ennis - 5th rd or 6th rd pick
Gaudette RFA - goes unsigned & allowed to walk

J. Brown - 5th rd pick
Heatherington - 6th rd pick, re-signed 2 way contract or walks
Meté RFA - goes un-signed or traded
Brannstrom RFA - re-signed & traded

Forsberg - 2nd or 3rd rd pick or maybe re-signed depending on what happens with Murray & Gustavsson.
No one is giving anything up for Tierney at that cap hit. Sens should waive him too at this rate. Plays with no pace and compete like the rest of the team.

Holden is gonna get something decent. Great depth d for a playoff push. Personally I'd like to see a 2 year extension.
 
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I would not trade Holden, keep him and resign him at maybe 2 years.
Idk, he's getting up there in age. At the right price, sure but that's a convo you have to have before the deadline, Sanderson is going to come in and likely be a top 4 D right away. Thomson and JBD could be ready by end of year, and then there's Brannstrom.
 
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Holden re-signing is the exact type of move that screws things up. It seems like everyone wants Dorion to learn, but apparently fans don't learn.

They need a Top 4 D. Period. This nonsense of heaping that pressure on Sanderson is not how you build a playoff team. And they should not do it. Be smart, stay focussed on long term and avoid tying up money in the Holdens of the world, which are dime a dozen, and once they clean up the books this offseason, they absolutely have toa add a Top 4 D, and a top 6 forward with credentials.

Funny, with Stutzle playing at center, wonder if Dadonov getting another chance would have fixed a problem that the team has now
 
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Hanging on to Holden might not be a bad idea and we don't always have to proactively leave empty slots for kids to walk in to. In hindsight it was probably a poor decision to let Demelo go even though I advocated for it at the time.

They have some guys coming, but they have a guy that's shown he can at least cut the mustard at the NHL level, so they can always pivot later on if necessary.

Players that belong in a top 6 in the NHL are pretty easily movable if they don't have a big price tag attached.
 

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Holden re-signing is the exact type of move that screws things up. It seems like everyone wants Dorion to learn, but apparently fans don't learn.

They need a Top 4 D. Period. This nonsense of heaping that pressure on Sanderson is not how you build a playoff team. And they should not do it. Be smart, stay focussed on long term and avoid tying up money in the Holdens of the workd, which are dime a dozen, and once they clean up the books this offseason, they absolutely have toa add a Top 4 D, and a top 6 forward with credentials.

Funny, with Stutzle playing at center, wonder if Dadonov getting another chance would have fixed a problem that the team has now
But knowing they won't go out and get a top 4 as the most likely scenario, there's some logic to the idea. Holden has at least shown he's capable of playing at the NHL level, is now somewhat of a known commodity, and he has a role he can fit in and actually play up to. It's not like bringing in a wild card like Hainsey, Gudbransson or Del Zotto that's then expected to be something they're not. I'm on the fence, but hanging on to actual NHL players is not their worst strategy imo.
 
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When Pierre agrees to be interviewed he will want the questions in advance so he is not blind
TSN isn ‘t going to ask real get to the point question anyway, just fluff balls. The only spot for real questions is in press conferences. No one wants to put his feet to the fire unless it is that hard biting Bruce Garrioch.
 
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