Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

[Burrowsaurus]

Changed his name?

To what. Im
Not sure how to see that on mobile

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If I had to guess I would have guessed more than 6 points. Damn. And three of those came in one game.

 

[Tuna99]

Namestikov is a guy Dorion got for a 4th round pick and he’s making $2 million in Detroit and is a solid pro and is playing good hockey. Instead of recycling through Stepan, Galechenyuk, Dznigel, Gauedette why not just sign this guy to a 3 year deal and stabilize your bottom 6.

Namestikinov isn’t going to complete your rebuild but instead of all the headaches and bad press the other players you brought in not to mention the assets (2nd for Stepan) but he just would of stabilized you a bit and helped add some skill and an NHL vet.

Traded him for a 4th and got the 4th back - should of just kept him and not have to make 24 other decisions none of which look good trying to replace a bottom 6 player

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Namestikov is a guy Dorion got for a 4th round pick and he’s making $2 million in Detroit and is a solid pro and is playing good hockey. Instead of recycling through Stepan, Galechenyuk, Dznigel, Gauedette why not just sign this guy to a 3 year deal and stabilize your bottom 6.

Namestikinov isn’t going to complete your rebuild but instead of all the headaches and bad press the other players you brought in not to mention the assets (2nd for Stepan) but he just would of stabilized you a bit and helped add some skill and an NHL vet.

Traded him for a 4th and got the 4th back - should of just kept him and not have to make 24 other decisions none of which look good trying to replace a bottom 6 player

Well we needed picks. But also I don’t think they know what a decent bottom of the lineup bet looks like.
Who know if namestnikov was objectively bad maybe they think he’s good? And they keep him? I dono.

 

[lancepitlick]

Namestikov is a guy Dorion got for a 4th round pick and he’s making $2 million in Detroit and is a solid pro and is playing good hockey. Instead of recycling through Stepan, Galechenyuk, Dznigel, Gauedette why not just sign this guy to a 3 year deal and stabilize your bottom 6.

Namestikinov isn’t going to complete your rebuild but instead of all the headaches and bad press the other players you brought in not to mention the assets (2nd for Stepan) but he just would of stabilized you a bit and helped add some skill and an NHL vet.

Traded him for a 4th and got the 4th back - should of just kept him and not have to make 24 other decisions none of which look good trying to replace a bottom 6 player

If they just held on to a few different players they'd be much further ahead, not to mention not trading/signing for Murray.

Re-sign Namestnikov, Demelo, Boro, Duclair, don't trade Dahlen/Zbad, give up zero picks and the team would be much better. You keep your picks and the cost of those players would be 90% offset by not spending money on bums.

If it was a video game and Dorion was not the GM you'd switch him to Auto-mode where he just drafts and re-signs players.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If I had to guess I would have guessed more than 6 points. Damn. And three of those came in one game.

3/24 is good

 

[Do Make Say Think]

This is basically Brown's last chance to prove he is NHL material and, to his credit, he is making the most of it so far.

The challenge of the NHL is to be good often, we will see if Brown can keep it up. Him fading wouldn't be very surprising considering his track record.

 

[HSF]

This is basically Brown's last chance to prove he is NHL material and, to his credit, he is making the most of it so far.

The challenge of the NHL is to be good often, we will see if Brown can keep it up. Him fading wouldn't be very surprising considering his track record.

and him excelling also wouldnt be surprising considering his totals in the AHL

I mean it shouldn't be all that surprising if he turns into a solid top 6 forward. The Sens should have played him with the trash we run with

 

[Do Make Say Think]

and him excelling also wouldnt be surprising considering his totals in the AHL

Lots of players do well in the AHL but cannot cut it in the NHL. His shortcomings (mediocre skater and injury prone) aren't things that are easy to fix and players doing well when they are on their last leg is common.

I hope he makes it but expecting him to, right now, seems misplaced.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Lots of players do well in the AHL but cannot cut it in the NHL. His shortcomings (mediocre skater and injury prone) aren't things that are easy to fix.

Just another player we have drafted , spent some time developing, that became unhappy with the opportunity provided by a struggling team with one of the worst bottom 6es in the league, and, ultimately gave up on in favor of seemingly less.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Just another player we have drafted , spent some time developing, that became unhappy with the opportunity provided by a struggling team with one of the worst bottom 6es in the league, and, ultimately gave up on in favor of seemingly less.

Agreed that we totally mismanaged him but he didn't help his case with all the injuries and the pouting.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I'd take a Logan Brown on our third line right now over Sanford.

 

[Micklebot]

I'd take a Logan Brown on our third line right now over Sanford.

It's funny how quick some were to claim wewon the trade because Sanford was contributing in the NHL...

I liked Brown the year we drafted him, I saw lots of good in his callups prior to last year. His injuries really got in the way of him breaking into the lineup, and it doesn't help that he really doesn't seem to be a DJ style player.

I think he would have done better in another teams development program, he just didn't align with what this team was trying to build, it would have been nice if we had recognized that earlier on before investing so much time in him and seeing his value plummet. I think there was also a fair degree of conflict between the team and his father (gotta love drafting those bloodlines)

Hope he can have continued success in StL, the talent is certainly there,

 

[HSF]

Lots of players do well in the AHL but cannot cut it in the NHL. His shortcomings (mediocre skater and injury prone) aren't things that are easy to fix and players doing well when they are on their last leg is common.

I hope he makes it but expecting him to, right now, seems misplaced.

sure they do but lots also do well cause they did well in the AHL

We should have literally just played him and found out what we had. A team as bad as ours has no reason not to

I feel like the senators were overthinking his situation as they do with some guys like Brannstrom

 

[L'Aveuglette]

It's funny how quick some were to claim wewon the trade because Sanford was contributing in the NHL...

I liked Brown the year we drafted him, I saw lots of good in his callups prior to last year. His injuries really got in the way of him breaking into the lineup, and it doesn't help that he really doesn't seem to be a DJ style player.

I think he would have done better in another teams development program, he just didn't align with what this team was trying to build, it would have been nice if we had recognized that earlier on before investing so much time in him and seeing his value plummet. I think there was also a fair degree of conflict between the team and his father (gotta love drafting those bloodlines)

Hope he can have continued success in StL, the talent is certainly there,

We had nothing to lose giving him another shot at the NHL level this season with how shallow we are. I don't really care if his dad was somewhat in the way.

 

[Cosmix]

If I had to guess I would have guessed more than 6 points. Damn. And three of those came in one game.

Our newly extended GM thinks Sanford was a great addition to the team.

I doubt any other team will be interested in acquiring Sanford at the TDL, nor the waiver wire.

 

[HSF]

Our newly extended GM thinks Sanford was a great addition to the team.

I doubt any other team will be interested in acquiring Sanford at the TDL, nor the waiver wire.

it would be the most senators thing ever if we trade him for a 4th at the deadline only to give up a 4th in the logan brown deal

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Our newly extended GM thinks Sanford was a great addition to the team.

I doubt any other team will be interested in acquiring Sanford at the TDL, nor the waiver wire.

Sanford would get claimed in a second. He'll return something... just how much will depend on his play down the stretch.

I was one of L. Brown's biggest supporters, but he wanted out and it wasnt working out for him here. Sanford, for his part, has been one of our better bottom 6ers imo. It's a low bar.

it would be the most senators thing ever if we trade him for a 4th at the deadline only to give up a 4th in the logan brown deal

This is probably what will happen - we will give up a high 4th and return a late 4th. Namestnikov 2.0. Mayyyybe a late 3rd if we take back bad salary and/or he really heats up.

 

[Billy Bridges]

So around the time Dorion signed his extension?

Tkachuk signing had nothing to do with Dorion extension.

 

[HSF]

Sanford would get claimed in a second. He'll return something... just how much will depend on his play down the stretch.

I was one of L. Brown's biggest supporters, but he wanted out and it wasnt working out for him here. Sanford, for his part, has been one of our better bottom 6ers imo. It's a low bar.



This is probably what will happen - we will give up a high 4th and return a late 4th. Namestnikov 2.0. Mayyyybe a late 3rd if we take back bad salary and/or he really heats up.

I am not sure if his 2mill dollar cap hit would be taken off the waiver wire

 

[bert]

This is basically Brown's last chance to prove he is NHL material and, to his credit, he is making the most of it so far.

The challenge of the NHL is to be good often, we will see if Brown can keep it up. Him fading wouldn't be very surprising considering his track record.

Yeah that track record of getting so many opportunities to play in a scoring role.... He was always going to take a long time to get here and the sens knew that. Then you compound the injuries and covid and it took even longer. The problem here is Ottawa knew the type of player they were drafting and still took this approach in his development. We all know the reason why too, Dorion is too insecure and wants to blame someone else, so instead of sticking with it here we are. Hence the rebuild is over comments. Now its another throw away year and this is what we get. He would likely be the second line center right now if they had an ounce of patience.

Our newly extended GM thinks Sanford was a great addition to the team.

I doubt any other team will be interested in acquiring Sanford at the TDL, nor the waiver wire.

He is a fine player in a bottom 6 role, but these players arent hard to aquire. He wasnt protected in expansion, probably could have been had for way cheaper if they had just traded him when they could have lost him for nothing.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I am not sure if his 2mill dollar cap hit would be taken off the waiver wire

Eh, teams have space. 11 teams could fit him without LTIR, 9 other teams could fit him with LTIR. A handful of teams who are "competing" have $10+ mil in space.

 

[TheDebater]

Sanford would get claimed in a second. He'll return something... just how much will depend on his play down the stretch.

I was one of L. Brown's biggest supporters, but he wanted out and it wasnt working out for him here. Sanford, for his part, has been one of our better bottom 6ers imo. It's a low bar.



This is probably what will happen - we will give up a high 4th and return a late 4th. Namestnikov 2.0. Mayyyybe a late 3rd if we take back bad salary and/or he really heats up.

If we are giving up a 4th to St. Louis it would mean that Logan Brown failed to play his 30 game minimum, which would mean he is not an NHL'er which would mean this whole conversation is pointless. If he does play 30 games, we keep our 4th, we trade Sanford for whatever, and we move on.

I doubt anyone believed Sanford was going to come here and put up points left and right, he is a pretty vanilla player.

 

[HSF]

Eh, teams have space. 11 teams could fit him without LTIR, 9 other teams could fit him with LTIR. A handful of teams who are "competing" have $10+ mil in space.

Perhaps at the deadline where they minimize his cap hit

 

[Tuna99]

Another media messaging misstep by the team - they bring in JBD saying they want to develop the kids now and they sit him on the bench for the Florida road trip.

they hired Pierre Mcquire just for this reason - to help with the messaging and handling the media. First they let Dorion go out and do a press conference where he looks nervous and is rolling back his words, aftet rhyme left the coach out on his own to speak to the media during the Murray collapse. And again here we are a week later and the coach has to explain 2 days after his “were rebuilding now” comments what the plan actually is. Let Mcquire handle this; we haven’t heard from him at all

why are they leaving Mcquire and JBD on the sidelines? Mcquire can certainly help and take some pressure off the coach and GM. and no Sens fans cares about Victor Mete playing his offside, put Mete on waivers. This team would leave Gretzky on the bench because he’s a small Center. They don’t know what they are doing between their messaging and their actions, and they kuterallybuve nationally respected media geek right there waiting to talk - and you said that’s why you hired him. Stupid.