Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part VIII

[bert]

Eichel went for Krebs, Tuch and a protected 1st

sens should have easily beat that and added Eichel

Ok so Batherson, Pinto, first round pick (only 1 year of protection). You'd be happy with that for a player getting experimental surgery and who probably doesn't want to be here. Great call man.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

ah yes the 12 game sample size to beat out two bottom 6 centers

none of these players should be the 2C this year on a team that was supposedly be more competitive

They thought it was worth a shot, he had a good camp and was playing rather well before getting hurt.

It was a gamble and, due to injuries, it didn't work out for this season. If Pinto doesn't get hurt and proves to be adequate, Dorion looks like a genius.

Should we have gotten someone better/more proven? Obviously, but we all know that isn't an option: the owner won't spend more than the minimum and no one wants to sign here as a free agent.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ok so Batherson, Pinto, first round pick (only 1 year of protection). You'd be happy with that for a player getting experimental surgery and who probably doesn't want to be here. Great call man.

Pinto = Krebs value-wise, but Batherson >>>> Tuch and obviously the Sens 1st is >>>>> Vegas' 1st.

Something like Pinto, Formenton/Greig, OTT 1st (with some protection) would have been closer in value to what Buffalo got then what you posted.

 

[bert]

Pinto = Krebs value-wise, but Batherson >>>> Tuch and obviously the Sens 1st is >>>>> Vegas' 1st.

Something like Pinto, Formenton/Greig, OTT 1st (with some protection) would have been closer in value to what Buffalo got then what you posted.

You gotta beat the offer.... And no going into this season Batherson wasnt >>>> Tuch. For what ever reason he is massively underrated on the sens board. Which will dissipate quickly once everyone starts watching him. He is also going to get prime ice time and not asked to carry a third line and still produce. Also take into account he is from Syracuse and grew up a Buffalo fan so he actually wants to be there, and he is on one of the best contracts in the league. So if it wasnt Batherson it would have had to have been Tkachuk, Stutzle or Norris. Thats the only way to beat this offer, so in that scenario would you do it if it was one of those players instead of Batherson?

 

[Hale The Villain]

You gotta beat the offer.... And no going into this season Batherson wasnt >>>> Tuch. For what ever reason he is massively underrated on the sens board. Which will dissipate quickly once everyone starts watching him. He is also going to get prime ice time and not asked to carry a third line and still produce. Also take into account he is from Syracuse and grew up a Buffalo fan so he actually wants to be there, and he is on one of the best contracts in the league. So if it wasnt Batherson it would have had to have been Tkachuk, Stutzle or Norris. Thats the only way to beat this offer, so in that scenario would you do it if it was one of those players instead of Batherson?

Batherson absolutely was. The Knights are my second team and I watch most of their games. Tuch is an absolute specimen but he's got rocks for brains and that's why he's stagnated as a 40-50P guy. Just doesn't have the IQ to be a major offensive producer like Batherson.

You're ignoring that the Sens 1st, even if it had top 10 protection and likely would have been delayed to 2023, far exceeds the value of Vegas' 1st, which can be expected to be in the 21-32 range.

There is the issue of the Sabres trading Eichel in the division and it definitely would have required an overpayment, but Batherson, Pinto and a potential top 5-10 pick in a stacked draft in 2023 is overkill and the Sabres would have taken that and ran if it had ever been offered.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[DaveMatthew]

That can't be real...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

That can't be real...

lol

 

[Matsens15]

That can't be real...

It is not lol

 

[Do Make Say Think]

That can't be real...

Friedman talked in his column how Melnyk wanted to get weed sponsors when it was legalized and the NHL said no.

 

[HSF]

Ok so Batherson, Pinto, first round pick (only 1 year of protection). You'd be happy with that for a player getting experimental surgery and who probably doesn't want to be here. Great call man.

in what world is Batherson the same as Krebs or Tuch?

Tuch is like a tweener

 

[HSF]

Man you are really stretching every argument. First of all Eichel wouldn't have come here. The sens didn't 'pass' on getting him. He forced his way out of Buffalo and you think he wanted to come here.... Secondly the sens didn't have a comparable package to beat out what Buffalo got without gutting the teams core.

Pinto was not physically ready?! What are you talking about. He is 6'2 200. It was a freak injury with an awkward fall into the boards.

Yes they should have got someone for second line C but they didn't the GM is Pierre Dorion and the owner is melnyk. They are paying White and Tierney they weren't spending anymore. The lineup the team dressed was 48 million last night. This ownership is not commited to competing.

Why do you keep saying Eichel wouldn't come here? His agent has said he will go anywhere that will let him have the surgery he wants. he just wants to be healthy and playing again.

Second he has a long term contract with no NTC rn therefore he can't choose where he goes. Lastly the fact that he signed long term in BUFFALO shows me that he cares more about just wanting to play.

 

[IlTerrifico]

Why do you keep saying Eichel wouldn't come here? His agent has said he will go anywhere that will let him have the surgery he wants. he just wants to be healthy and playing again.

Second he has a long term contract with no NTC rn therefore he can't choose where he goes. Lastly the fact that he signed long term in BUFFALO shows me that he cares more about just wanting to play.

Agree, but the move was to make it Norris + current bottom 6 or prospect (Nick Paul, Jarventie or Sokolov) + 1st in 2023 or 2024. Move either Tkachuk or Stutzle to center until Eichel is back, expect a bad season but try to make it fun, Eichel and Sanderson whet the appetite when they play in the 2nd half, and bad results guarantee a top draft pick to add to that core.

Norris will make 1/2 Eichel's pay next season, so we get the elite center at a $5M premium, draft pick is either a 2nd center or tops off the top 6 wingers, and a real step up begins in 2022-23.

Instead we have the usual crop of good but not a contending group, no 1st line center, and years until the team will break through. And also the highest paid goalie to ever be indeterminately in the AHL, because......front office genius.

 

[bert]

in what world is Batherson the same as Krebs or Tuch?

Tuch is like a tweener

No Tuch is alot better than a 'tweener' you should watch him play once in a while. He literally is the best player on the ice some games, incredibly noticable. 19 goals in 66 playoff games, he played at a 35 goal pace last season and before his injury was in consideration for best on best at the Olympics. He is 6'4 and can absolutely fly and is only 25 still getting better like most powerforwards.

Why do you keep saying Eichel wouldn't come here? His agent has said he will go anywhere that will let him have the surgery he wants. he just wants to be healthy and playing again.

Second he has a long term contract with no NTC rn therefore he can't choose where he goes. Lastly the fact that he signed long term in BUFFALO shows me that he cares more about just wanting to play.

Because I am able to apply common sense.

 

[bert]

Batherson absolutely was. The Knights are my second team and I watch most of their games. Tuch is an absolute specimen but he's got rocks for brains and that's why he's stagnated as a 40-50P guy. Just doesn't have the IQ to be a major offensive producer like Batherson.

You're ignoring that the Sens 1st, even if it had top 10 protection and likely would have been delayed to 2023, far exceeds the value of Vegas' 1st, which can be expected to be in the 21-32 range.

There is the issue of the Sabres trading Eichel in the division and it definitely would have required an overpayment, but Batherson, Pinto and a potential top 5-10 pick in a stacked draft in 2023 is overkill and the Sabres would have taken that and ran if it had ever been offered.

Yikes he has played over a 40 to 50 point pace in two of the last 3 seasons of his 4 year career, the only recent one he didnt was when he was hurt. He played on the third line with very little pp time. He is actually capable of driving his own line in the NHL. You're obviously not watching that much or are choosing to ignore things like ice time, linemates and pp time.

So even if the sens first is worth more who are putting in place of Tuch an established 25 year old power forward. To beat the Vegas offer. Obviously the sens didnt have the pieces or didnt want to rip the team apart to get it done.

 

[Crosside]

Bad news guys, Timmins was at the CTC last night. I hope Dorion don’t want to offer him a job

 

[BondraTime]

Batherson is undoubtedly more valuable than Tuch league wide, Tuch being from Buffalo helps out

I'd think Buffalo would have taken Bath over Tuch quite easily, though Batherson never would have been offered up.

 

[HSF]

Yikes he has played over a 40 to 50 point pace in two of the last 3 seasons of his 4 year career, the only recent one he didnt was when he was hurt. He played on the third line with very little pp time. He is actually capable of driving his own line in the NHL. You're obviously not watching that much or are choosing to ignore things like ice time, linemates and pp time.

So even if the sens first is worth more who are putting in place of Tuch an established 25 year old power forward. To beat the Vegas offer. Obviously the sens didnt have the pieces or didnt want to rip the team apart to get it done.

It doesn’t matter cause batherson is much more valuable than tuch which makes your trade proposal poor

 

[Hale The Villain]

Yikes he has played over a 40 to 50 point pace in two of the last 3 seasons of his 4 year career, the only recent one he didnt was when he was hurt. He played on the third line with very little pp time. He is actually capable of driving his own line in the NHL. You're obviously not watching that much or are choosing to ignore things like ice time, linemates and pp time.

So even if the sens first is worth more who are putting in place of Tuch an established 25 year old power forward. To beat the Vegas offer. Obviously the sens didnt have the pieces or didnt want to rip the team apart to get it done.

The reason he's not been playing in Vegas' top 6 is because he doesn't use his teammates well at all.

He can create chances by himself with his unreal physical gifts, but he just isn't good when it comes time to slow it down and make plays.

He's basically a 6'4 Formenton that isn't quite as explosive but way stronger. He's not close to Batherson as an offensive player.

 

[Bileur]

Bad news guys, Timmins was at the CTC last night. I hope Dorion don’t want to offer him a job

Jesus Christ. That guy’s draft record speaks for itself. Complete incompetence.

What’s next? Bring in Benning as an advisor to Dorion?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Trevor Timmins spotted with another team after his recent firing from the Montreal Canadiens | Markerzone.com

Don't like this at all

 

[Masked]

Jesus Christ. That guy’s draft record speaks for itself. Complete incompetence.

His record seemed good when he was here.

Assen na yo

 

[BondraTime]

Habs have been among, if not the worst drafting team the past decade.

 

[Micklebot]

Habs have been among, if not the worst drafting team the past decade.

Wasn't he responsible for the Pacioretty, Subban, Mcdonagh, y.weber draft?

That year alone probably bought him some leeway to stick around so long...

 

[DaveMatthew]

Wasn't he responsible for the Pacioretty, Subban, Mcdonagh, y.weber draft?

That year alone probably bought him some leeway to stick around so long...

Between 1999-2007, Timmins was on a roll. Between Ottawa and Montreal, he was instrumental in drafting: Martin Havlat, Chris Kelly, Anton Volchenkov, Antoine Vermette, Jason Spezza, Tim Gleason, Ray Emery, Mark Streit, Jaroslav Halak, Carey Price, Andrei Kostitsyn, Ryan McDonagh, PK Subban and Max Pacioretty. That's a hell of a run over 9 years.

2008 and on though... things really dried up for him. Only guy of note is Sergachev... who the org didn't even hang on to.