GDT: GM#7 LA Kings vs New York Islanders @7:30 10/18/18

[redcard]

To expand on Big King's point, maybe when Vilardi gets healthy the Kings should let him play his 9-10 games in the NHL and return him to junior hockey. No sense in wasting a year of his ELC on this team. I am not so sure it would stunt his development since he can't seem to stay healthy.

I don't understand why people are so afraid of burning ELC years, the earlier the ELC expires, the less they will have accomplished before signing their second contract and therefore the lower the cap hit should be.

Say Vilardi comes back, scores 30 points in 60-65 games (19 years old). Next year scores 50 (20 years old). Final year scores 65 (21 years old). Signs 8 year deal.

Or Vilardi gets sent back. Next year debuts with 45 (20 years old). Then 60 his second year (21 years old). Final year scores 75 (22 years old). Signs 8 year deal.

Yes, the cap hit in the first scenario is going to come 1 year sooner....but it will be lower over the duration of the contract because he'll be signing it at 21 years old instead of 22 years old and presumably coming off a lesser season.

Of course there are a myriad of different scenarios, some better, some worse.....but its really not a big deal. If you're worried about players potentially reaching UFA status earlier and being able to leave, why? If they're not going to leave us what difference does it make if its 7 years from now or 8 years from now?

The decision on keeping JAD and Vilardi should be based on what will make them the better player in the long run, and that's it. The ELC crap shouldn't even be a factor.

 

[tny760]

I'm still at a loss how NO ONE on this team (outside of Kempe's slash and Phaneuf's stern talk with Martin) shows any emotion. 3 straight bad losses and no emotion. Ditch the Sutter dont get too angry mindset.

not one big hit outside of carter laying eberle down via effectively running into a much smaller player

maybe we need a f***in line brawl, maybe we need macdermid to take a major interference penalty and knock a player out of the game. team is 10ply soft in all facets. clutterbuck pops doughty in the face behind the net and he completely unravels for the next 10 minutes..

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't understand why people are so afraid of burning ELC years, the earlier the ELC expires, the less they will have accomplished before signing their second contract and therefore the lower the cap hit should be.

Say Vilardi comes back, scores 30 points in 60-65 games (19 years old). Next year scores 50 (20 years old). Final year scores 65 (21 years old). Signs 8 year deal.

Or Vilardi gets sent back. Next year debuts with 45 (20 years old). Then 60 his second year (21 years old). Final year scores 75 (22 years old). Signs 8 year deal.

Yes, the cap hit in the first scenario is going to come 1 year sooner....but it will be lower over the duration of the contract because he'll be signing it at 21 years old instead of 22 years old and presumably coming off a lesser season.

Of course there are a myriad of different scenarios, some better, some worse.....but its really not a big deal. If you're worried about players potentially reaching UFA status earlier and being able to leave, why? If they're not going to leave us what difference does it make if its 7 years from now or 8 years from now?

The decision on keeping JAD and Vilardi should be based on what will make them the better player in the long run, and that's it. The ELC crap shouldn't even be a factor.

I think--at least with JAD as an example--when people say "burn an ELC year," they're referring more to wasting a development year more so than actual worries about future contract status. Once they've 'burned the year' and played 9 games, they're unlikely to be sent anywhere else, and it would be better having a guy like JAD or even Vilardi playing big, important minutes destroying the competition in junior than it would be to have them stapled to the bench on a shitty NHL team with a shitty coach.

 

[bob77]

I agree with you, other than a few guys that look a bit lost and cost us a goal or two (Forbort) we've been at least competitive. Tofolli has looked good, Iafallo having a good game and our rookies are doing good with the ice time they're getting.

FYI, Forbort was -1 and all thanks to DD

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Any of you guys that don't want to believe Drew is a ****ing clown ***** want to start thinking about it a little harder?

He's supposed to be a leader. He was horrible tonight. Assistant Captain with the "C" not playing tonight.

Won't answer questions. Just like when he ducks answering the bell for **** he does on the ice.

He needs a babysitter but he doesn't want one. This team will never win a thing with Doughty as a main cog if a "player's coach" is running the show.

Him not being able to do a pull up or whatever at the combine explains everything. He's just insanely talented but he needs guidance or he will just rely on his talent. It's not enough.

Remember in Sutter's last season when Doughty spoke to the media after practice and said practice was boring? lol Great leadership there, Drew.

Actually, the specific thing he was calling boring was practicing shots from the blue line. One of the things he's absolutely awful at.

 

[tny760]

I think--at least with JAD as an example--when people say "burn an ELC year," they're referring more to wasting a development year more so than actual worries about future contract status. Once they've 'burned the year' and played 9 games, they're unlikely to be sent anywhere else, and it would be better having a guy like JAD or even Vilardi playing big, important minutes destroying the competition in junior than it would be to have them stapled to the bench on a ****ty NHL team with a ****ty coach.

that's why i was so pissed about JAD last night.. you got 9 games. he played about 5 minutes through the first 2 periods then another 5 in garbage time in the 3rd. that's a f***ing waste. he's not learning a single thing from that.

 

[Sol]

Yep, there it is....considering Forbort never went to his stomach, your analysis is superb lmao

Seriously can you be that out of touch with the game, AS it's happening?

I wasn't talking about Forbort.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I wasn't talking about Forbort.

LMAO you literally said, Forbot you useless bastard.....holy crap lol, your like the guy that insisted Amadio played with Carter nad Kovy last night

 

[Sol]

LMAO you literally said, Forbot you useless bastard.....holy crap lol, your like the guy that insisted Amadio played with Carter nad Kovy last night

Nope Forbort was useless on the play, and Quick went down on his stomach. Hence I didn't mean to imply that he went on his stomach if that's what you read out of it.

 

[Fishhead]

that's why i was so pissed about JAD last night.. you got 9 games. he played about 5 minutes through the first 2 periods then another 5 in garbage time in the 3rd. that's a ****ing waste. he's not learning a single thing from that.

You can’t play a young guy like JAD that much, they aren’t ready for it. The game might end up a blowout!

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Nope Forbort was useless on the play, and Quick went down on his stomach. Hence I didn't mean to imply that he went on his stomach if that's what you read out of it.

LOL learn how to type then my friend, it literally read out as Forbot you useless bastard, why are you on your stomach etc something like that,

Pearson was the one useless on the play, Forbort actually got back into position to at least attempt to stop that pass from coming through, and there was nothing Quick can but lunge across and gets his pad out there, end result, yea, gonna be on his stomach lol two pad stack days are long long gone...

 

[Sol]

LOL learn how to type then my friend, it literally read out as Forbot you useless bastard, why are you on your stomach etc something like that,

Pearson was the one useless on the play, Forbort actually got back into position to at least attempt to stop that pass from coming through, and there was nothing Quick can but lunge across and gets his pad out there, end result, yea, gonna be on his stomach lol two pad stack days are long long gone...

Spur of the moment typo.

Since you're a generational coach by your own beliefs, when do you think the Kings should give Thompson first line center responsibilities since you have a strong affinity of his play.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Spur of the moment typo.

Since you're a generational coach by your own beliefs, when do you think the Kings should give Thompson first line center responsibilities since you have a strong affinity of his play.

Good question, I would say as soon as you can actually add accurate analysis on a play.....so...probably never gonna happen.....

 

[tny760]

welp

time to leave

 

[Sol]

Good question, I would say as soon as you can actually add accurate analysis on a play.....so...probably never gonna happen.....

So you admit that you'd want Thompson playing 60 mins a game? You should become an NHL coach, you're wasting your generational talents being here.


EDIT: Sorry tny, I won't entertain the jester any longer.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

So you admit that you'd want Thompson playing 60 mins a game? You should become an NHL coach, you're wasting your generational talents being here.


EDIT: Sorry tny, I won't entertain the jester any longer.

Lets just say Thompson is helluva lot more useful to the Kings than you are.....and we can leave it that.

 

[Sol]

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Good question, I would say as soon as you can actually add accurate analysis on a play.....so...probably never gonna happen.....

You really need to quiet down with all this. You have little claim to accurate analysis when you spent all summer saying the Kings only lost to VGK because of bad bounces.

Guy thinks he’s Al Arbour because he knows what a half wall is.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You really need to quiet down with all this. You have little claim to accurate analysis when you spent all summer saying the Kings only lost to VGK because of bad bounces.

Guy thinks he’s Al Arbour because he knows what a half wall is.

You guys really need to make up your minds, you've got someone on the next page saying I've just started posting out of nowhere, you're saying I posted all summer...etc.

I never said the ONLY reason was bad bounces, what I did say, is that a bounce that went our way, could have changed the series etc,

But, that's ok, I get it, you guys really only read what you want to read, like the guy who insisted that Amadio was in a position to score last night playing with Kovy and Carter, because well, it was tweeted.

 

[SherVaughn30]

All I know is that our secondary players, or these young guys that are suppose to step up when a Kopi/Brown are out are major let downs.

Pearson, Kempe, Amadio, Wagner, Lewis, Carter all garbage.

Stevens, is even more garbage!

 

[Winger23]

You guys really need to make up your minds, you've got someone on the next page saying I've just started posting out of nowhere, you're saying I posted all summer...etc.

I never said the ONLY reason was bad bounces, what I did say, is that a bounce that went our way, could have changed the series etc,

But, that's ok, I get it, you guys really only read what you want to read, like the guy who insisted that Amadio was in a position to score last night playing with Kovy and Carter, because well, it was tweeted.

And you are so stuck up you have opinions and cant be reasoned with. You think you know more about hockey than all of us combined cause you coached higher than pee wee. I've never seen a bigger jackass post here and I've been here for quite a while. I've never blocked anyone but I'm damn close. Why the hell are you even posting here if none of us have a clue.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

You guys really need to make up your minds, you've got someone on the next page saying I've just started posting out of nowhere, you're saying I posted all summer...etc.

I never said the ONLY reason was bad bounces, what I did say, is that a bounce that went our way, could have changed the series etc,

But, that's ok, I get it, you guys really only read what you want to read, like the guy who insisted that Amadio was in a position to score last night playing with Kovy and Carter, because well, it was tweeted.

I can’t speak to what anyone else is saying. I can only speak to your relentless, delusional defense of this team. You can’t even own up a dominating sweep in the first round.

Pull your head out of your ass and stop denigrating other posters for being right. This team sucks. Full stop.

 

[redcard]

I think--at least with JAD as an example--when people say "burn an ELC year," they're referring more to wasting a development year more so than actual worries about future contract status. Once they've 'burned the year' and played 9 games, they're unlikely to be sent anywhere else, and it would be better having a guy like JAD or even Vilardi playing big, important minutes destroying the competition in junior than it would be to have them stapled to the bench on a ****ty NHL team with a ****ty coach.

Which was my last point, the decision should be based solely on what's best for their development. We (and Blake) shouldn't care about the 9 games because being able to sign these players to long term deals earlier isn't necessarily a bad thing. Ignore the contract status, ignore the 9 games, what's best for the player? If he plays 10 games, and then they decide sending him back is the right thing to do, I don't have any problem with that.

Furthermore, I'm guessing we've got better facilities and more trainers/coaches/staff on the payroll than Spokane does. I don't see anything wrong with having JAD stick around for another month or 2, get a lot of one-on-one instruction, work a little more on strength training than he would if he was playing 20 minutes a night, and then in December send him off to the WJC and let him finish the second half of the season in Spokane. If his season ends before ours he can come back and get a few more games in. I can't see how that would be wasting a development year, I'd argue something like that would ultimately benefit him more in the long run that shipping him off to Washington tomorrow.

We burned a year of Brickley's ELC by playing him last year, he's an RFA next year. What's that contract going to look like? We don't know if or when he'll get called up this season but we already know he won't have a full year under his belt when he's trying to negotiate a second contract. As opposed to not burning the year, meaning he'd have this season plus all of next season to break out and drive that Cap hit up on his second deal. Forget the 9 games, make the decision on JAD and Vilardi based on what makes them the better long term player. Maybe that's sending them back, maybe that's keeping them around, maybe its a mix of both. I don't know which one, I just know I'm not afraid of the 9 game rule.

 

[Dooney]

You guys really need to make up your minds, you've got someone on the next page saying I've just started posting out of nowhere, you're saying I posted all summer...etc.

I never said the ONLY reason was bad bounces, what I did say, is that a bounce that went our way, could have changed the series etc,

But, that's ok, I get it, you guys really only read what you want to read, like the guy who insisted that Amadio was in a position to score last night playing with Kovy and Carter, because well, it was tweeted.

Um, that would be me! And again for someone who is registered since 2014 you only started posting this year.

I really don’t know why you think you are really all that special.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I can’t speak to what anyone else is saying. I can only speak to your relentless, delusional defense of this team. You can’t even own up a dominating sweep in the first round.

Pull your head out of your ass and stop denigrating other posters for being right. This team sucks. Full stop.

Again, reading what you want to read, I have SAID there are problems with this team, there are ROSTER problems with this team holy christ you guys are a funny bunch, you really do provide concrete proof that selective reading comprehension is a thing