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GDT: GM#7 LA Kings vs New York Islanders @7:30 10/18/18

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Can't help but laugh while all of you guys absolutely lose your shit over this game, now granted, a lot of you it's not just one game, I will give you that, but holy christ you guys are funnier than hell.

I didn't see the 3rd period at all, being in the eastern time zone, that was a bit of a time crunch. I did watch the first two periods, and you guys were losing your shit halfway through the 2nd, over nothing.

That 1st period was excellent for LA, just what they needed, problem is they didn't sustain it, call it poor leadership, call it surprise they were doing something good, dunno.

Positives, Rempal looked really good, right away, he's part of what Herby was talking about plug n play players, he wasn't a draft pick, but still, I think he at least earned another shot, not sure if I want to see him with Kopitar more, or keep Kovy and Carter as his linemates, either way, he looked really good. Fantenberg also looked good, for the first two periods, no idea of the 3rd, but, he was positionally sound, didn't get beat, got pucks through, all the things you want from your 3rd pairing D.

Negatives, Kempe's penalties, first one, gotta be smarter, you know they are looking for a call, 2nd one, I don't mind, first time LA has shown aggressiveness all season, just have to spot it better,

You guys continue to lose your shit til the next game...
 
so pre-season IS potentially an indicator for the season, in some cases for some teams after all

who would have thought!
 
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It was only a matter of time until the greatest coach, and hockey player of our our life time weighed in. Riveting stuff really, amazing how you know everything and apparently none of us do.

Blessed to have Wayne Gretzkys pen pal on these boards. You know, Peter Forseberg once told me that GoldenBearHockey is one of the most purest intellectual posters he's ever seen.

#Blessed
 
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Sol said:
It was only a matter of time until the greatest coach, and hockey player of our our life time weighed in. Riveting stuff really, amazing how you know everything and apparently none of us do.

Blessed to have Wayne Gretzkys pen pal on these boards. You know, Peter Forseberg once told me that GoldenBearHockey is one of the most purest intellectual posters he's ever seen.

#Blessed
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Wait.....weren't you done with me?

Glad to see your analysis here...you probably thought Clifford had a great game
 
Sol said:
It was only a matter of time until the greatest coach, and hockey player of our our life time weighed in. Riveting stuff really, amazing how you know everything and apparently none of us do.

Blessed to have Wayne Gretzkys pen pal on these boards. You know, Peter Forseberg once told me that GoldenBearHockey is one of the most purest intellectual posters he's ever seen.

#Blessed
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Wait a minute, aren't you the cracker jack anayslis who said on the 3rd goal Forbort had no business being on his stomach or something like that?
 
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Firing Stevens, as bad as he is, isn’t going to change anything. Time to start moving some players out. I’m not talking about Iaffalo or Kempe either. The core needs to be broken up.

The coach isn’t the main issue, it’s the players that show up when they want to.
 
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Sol said:
Wow Forbort. You useless bastard. Can't be on your stomach from a pass that far out. Oof.
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Yep, there it is....considering Forbort never went to his stomach, your analysis is superb lmao

Seriously can you be that out of touch with the game, AS it's happening?
 
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All I know is that our secondary players, or these young guys that are suppose to step up when a Kopi/Brown are out are major let downs.

Pearson, Kempe, Amadio, Wagner, Lewis, Carter all garbage.
 
KingsHockey24 said:
All I know is that our secondary players, or these young guys that are suppose to step up when a Kopi/Brown are out are major let downs.

Pearson, Kempe, Amadio, Wagner, Lewis, Carter all garbage.
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LOL at Amadio and Wagner being thrown in there, afterall, didn't Amadio lead the team in scoring in pre-season?

Pearson, Lewis, and Carter can be traded, but if they move Kempe, Amadio, or Wagner, without seeing what another coach can do with them, then you know they've lost it.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
LOL at Amadio and Wagner being thrown in there, afterall, didn't Amadio lead the team in scoring in pre-season?

Pearson, Lewis, and Carter can be traded, but if they move Kempe, Amadio, or Wagner, without seeing what another coach can do with them, then you know they've lost it.
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Hate to break it to yeah but pre-season doesn't mean shit. I'm pretty sure Matt Frattin led the Kings in pre-season scoring one year and look where that got him.

And yes Amadio has been garbage. And you can't say he hasn't been getting the ice-time because the past 4 games he's averaged 13:30 and the last three games he's been a -4 with 0 points.
 
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Hate to break it to yeah but pre-season doesn't mean ****. I'm pretty sure Matt Frattin led the Kings in pre-season scoring one year and look where that got him.

And yes Amadio has been garbage. And you can't say he hasn't been getting the ice-time because the past 4 games he's averaged 13:30 and the last three games he's been a -4 with 0 points.
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No, no, no, I was told specifically that what happened in pre-season meant a lot what happens during the season etc.

Amadio hasn't been that bad, he hasn't been that good, but he's not on a Pearson level yet, even during that 1st period where the Kings looked like an NHL team, Pearson didn't do anything...
 
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So, now it's okay to trade Carter? What purpose did keeping Carter the last two seasons serve?
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Well last year, he made a mean apple pie while sitting on IR, can't really trade him then, the year before, 2016, he was a helluva player, this year, something has changed, he's either fighting through an injury, or something, but he's clearly not the same player he was....

Why didn't we grade Carter in 2013 too?
 
Not good.

Not sure what it is with Kings players playing like crap the season they get married. DD and especially Pearson have been poor. Guess it's just science. I've been poor since I got married 15 years ago.

Earlier we said that they'd be alright when Quick gets back. Well, maybe they'll be alright when Brown gets back..
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
No, no, no, I was told specifically that what happened in pre-season meant a lot what happens during the season etc.

Amadio hasn't been that bad, he hasn't been that good, but he's not on a Pearson level yet, even during that 1st period where the Kings looked like an NHL team, Pearson didn't do anything...
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Amadio has been invisible. Stop sugar coating these players. Shit I'd say Toffoli has been pretty underwhelming as well even though he's been producing somewhat.
 
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So, now it's okay to trade Carter? What purpose did keeping Carter the last two seasons serve?
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BTW, it's looking more and more like JAD can handle playing up here, so that does make Carter a bit more expendable, not sold on JAD faceoffs yet, but if you are willing to live with it, I don't see how keeping JAD up and playing, would hurt his development, he's played well when he has solid linemates.
 
KingsHockey24 said:
Amadio has been invisible. Stop sugar coating these players. **** I'd say Toffoli has been pretty underwhelming as well even though he's been producing somewhat.
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This is almost as bad as Sol blaming Clifford for the Kings being bad....I literally said he hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been good....he's there, he's also young, and learning, much different than say Pearson or Carter who look so disengaged it's scary.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
This is almost as bad as Sol blaming Clifford for the Kings being bad....I literally said he hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been good....he's there, he's also young, and learning, much different than say Pearson or Carter who look so disengaged it's scary.
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Being invisible out there is not good when your role is to produce. He has been bad.
 
It is foolish to look at when it is the right time to trade a player based solely on said player's ability and production. Every trade must be made in the context of what it does for the organization as a whole. This whole idea of well Carter was really, really great back in 2013, so why not trade him then is utter BS. The simple answer for that is in 2013 Carter was a major contributor on a championship caliber team.

That was not the case in 2016 as the Kings were no longer a championship caliber team. I grow tired of the fallacious "Well, his max value in a trade would have been right in the middle of the three years the Kings were dominant." argument. That is ridiculous.
 
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KINGS17 said:
It is foolish to look at when it is the right time to trade a player based solely on said player's ability and production. Every trade must be made in the context of what it does for the organization as a whole. This whole idea of well Carter was really, really great back in 2013, so why not trade him then is utter BS. The simple answer for that is in 2013 Carter was a major contributor on a championship caliber team.

That was not the case in 2016 as the Kings were no longer a championship caliber team. I grow tired of the fallacious "Well, his max value in a trade would have been right in the middle of the three years the Kings were dominant." argument. That is ridiculous.
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I was being facetious but you probably knew that, but you are also forgetting the perception angle as well, the perception was the Kings were contenders in 2016, last year Carter got hurt, can't trade him then, and this year, you can trade him, but you have to be patient otherwise you will get a 5th rounder for him etc.
 
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