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GDT: GM#7 LA Kings vs New York Islanders @7:30 10/18/18

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KINGS17 said:
So, now it's okay to trade Carter? What purpose did keeping Carter the last two seasons serve?
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I’m guessing that Luc/AEG dreaded the big R word (rebuild) and didn’t want to start gathering picks and prospects in the middle of a playoff chase.

I think once it becomes clear we’re out of contention or things spiral out of control, we’ll start unloading guys. At least I hope so.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
That's not his role FFS, you know whose role that is, Toffoli, Carter, Kovalchuk, Kempe, Pearson

That's not Amadio's role right now....holy hell man.
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Secondary scoring is suppose to come from Cater/Kovalchuk?? Those are the guys that are primary scorers.

Our secondary scorers are suppose to be Toffoli, Pearson, Kempe, Amadio, Lewis, JAD, Iaffalo.

If scoring isn't suppose to be Amadio's role then he needs to get the f*** off this roster immediately. We don't have room for another Nick Shore.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
I was being facetious but you probably knew that, but you are also forgetting the perception angle as well, the perception was the Kings were contenders in 2016, last year Carter got hurt, can't trade him then, and this year, you can trade him, but you have to be patient otherwise you will get a 5th rounder for him etc.
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I am fine with being patient and hoping Carter's play will improve to increase his value as an asset, as I do with several other vets on the Kings roster.

Once that happens, I expect Robitaille and Blake to stop selling us the thick-sliced baloney and do the right thing.
 
Blake should be run out of town if he burns a year of JAD's contract on this trash.

Nobody is overreacting to last night: they've done nothing the last four seasons and have looked like the team that secured the Schenn pick starting with the rookie tournament. I know the latter doesn't matter but it just underscores that the entire organization has been losing and looking bad doing it.
 
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KingsHockey24 said:
Secondary scoring is suppose to come from Cater/Kovalchuk?? Those are the guys that are primary scorers.

Our secondary scorers are suppose to be Toffoli, Pearson, Kempe, Amadio, Lewis, JAD, Iaffalo.

If scoring isn't suppose to be Amadio's role then he needs to get the **** off this roster immediately. We don't have room for another Nick Shore.
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LOL you do realize there are only 12 forwards in a game at once, right, not all of them will be secondary scorers FFS.....

But let's get back to this question, you say Amadio is bad...why? Let's hear some actual analysis as to WHY he is bad other than, "duh, zero points dude"
 
BigKing said:
Blake should be run out of town if he burns a year of JAD's contract on this trash.

Nobody is overreacting to last night: they've done nothing the last four seasons and have looked like the team that secured the Schenn pick starting with the rookie tournament. I know the latter doesn't matter but it just underscores that the entire organization has been losing and looking bad doing it.
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Burn it now, or burn it next year, honestly, it won't make much of a difference, and will probably in the long run make JAD more affordable to retain.
 
BigKing said:
Blake should be run out of town if he burns a year of JAD's contract on this trash.

Nobody is overreacting to last night: they've done nothing the last four seasons and have looked like the team that secured the Schenn pick starting with the rookie tournament. I know the latter doesn't matter but it just underscores that the entire organization has been losing and looking bad doing it.
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Thinking the same thing!!!!
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
LOL you do realize there are only 12 forwards in a game at once, right, not all of them will be secondary scorers FFS.....

But let's get back to this question, you say Amadio is bad...why? Let's hear some actual analysis as to WHY he is bad other than, "duh, zero points dude"
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He's being put in situations to produce which he has not been able to do at all this season. Last night he played with Kovalchuk and Carter, the night before he played with Carter and Thompson. He's also been terrible in the dot winning a grand total of 36% of his face-offs. He's done a whole lot of nothing this season. I understand you're horny that he led the team in pre-season scoring but I hate to break it to you the pre-season means nada. And don't try and say "But he's been good defensively." when he's been a -4 the past three games. Can't score, win face-offs, and is poor on his own end.
 
BigKing said:
Blake should be run out of town if he burns a year of JAD's contract on this trash.

Nobody is overreacting to last night: they've done nothing the last four seasons and have looked like the team that secured the Schenn pick starting with the rookie tournament. I know the latter doesn't matter but it just underscores that the entire organization has been losing and looking bad doing it.
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Yes, there is something to be said for maintaining a young player's confidence and allowing further development in junior hockey. There are so many little things JAD can be working on in junior that will make him a better player in the long run. Sadly, I think Luc Robitaille will do what is best for Luc Robitaille in this situation.

There would be nothing wrong with returning JAD to junior and allow him to compete for a championship. I don't know how good his junior team is, but if it isn't that good, I think a contender would be looking to make a trade for him.
 
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KingsHockey24 said:
He's being put in situations to produce which he has not been able to do at all this season. Last night he played with Kovalchuk and Carter, the night before he played with Carter and Thompson. He's also been terrible in the dot winning a grand total of 36% of his face-offs. He's done a whole lot of nothing this season. I understand you're horny that he led the team in pre-season scoring but I hate to break it to you the pre-season means nada. And don't try and say "But he's been good defensively." when he's been a -4 the past three games. Can't score, win face-offs, and is poor on his own end.
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Last night you believe he played with Kovalchuk and Carter?? Dude, that was Rempal, he might have been slated, but that was changed halfway through the 1st period, maybe by the 2nd shift.

As far as your second half, all I can do is laugh, and point to Raccoon Jesus.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Last night you believe he played with Kovalchuk and Carter?? Dude, that was Rempal, he might have been slated, but that was changed halfway through the 1st period, maybe by the 2nd shift.

As far as your second half, all I can do is laugh, and point to Raccoon Jesus.
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Great counter argument. Obviously you're gonna keep riding Amadio's dick and not provide any reasons why you believe he's been playing well. This debate is over.
 
KingsHockey24 said:


Great counter argument. Obviously you're gonna keep riding Amadio's dick and not provide any reasons why you believe he's been playing well. This debate is over.
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LOL holy hell are you serious?

Did you not watch the game last night, tell me that's what it is....

I never said Amadio HAD BEEN PLAYING WELL FFS, it's like you aren't even paying attention, I said he isn't playing as bad as you make it out to be, but he hasn't been playing good either, he's been...there.

You honestly believe from a TWEET that Amadio played with Carter and Kovalchuk last night? Really? No doubt in your mind that those lines were switched?

Anyone, care to chime in, even SOL can confirm that the lines changed and it was Rempal with those two.
 
To expand on Big King's point, maybe when Vilardi gets healthy the Kings should let him play his 9-10 games in the NHL and return him to junior hockey. No sense in wasting a year of his ELC on this team. I am not so sure it would stunt his development since he can't seem to stay healthy.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
No, no, no, I was told specifically that what happened in pre-season meant a lot what happens during the season etc.

Amadio hasn't been that bad, he hasn't been that good, but he's not on a Pearson level yet, even during that 1st period where the Kings looked like an NHL team, Pearson didn't do anything...
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GoldenBearHockey said:
No, no, no, I was told specifically that what happened in pre-season meant a lot what happens during the season etc.

Amadio hasn't been that bad, he hasn't been that good, but he's not on a Pearson level yet, even during that 1st period where the Kings looked like an NHL team, Pearson didn't do anything...
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You were told specifically???? By whom?
 
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Reaper45 said:
I'm still at a loss how NO ONE on this team (outside of Kempe's slash and Phaneuf's stern talk with Martin) shows any emotion. 3 straight bad losses and no emotion. Ditch the Sutter dont get too angry mindset.
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This has been a problem the last few seasons. Outside of Phaneuf, Quick and Clifford, no one really shows 'emotion' during the game. They look like robots which can come across as they don't give a f***.
 
KINGS17 said:
It is foolish to look at when it is the right time to trade a player based solely on said player's ability and production. Every trade must be made in the context of what it does for the organization as a whole. This whole idea of well Carter was really, really great back in 2013, so why not trade him then is utter BS. The simple answer for that is in 2013 Carter was a major contributor on a championship caliber team.

That was not the case in 2016 as the Kings were no longer a championship caliber team. I grow tired of the fallacious "Well, his max value in a trade would have been right in the middle of the three years the Kings were dominant." argument. That is ridiculous.
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The problem with that is in the 15-16 half of 2016, Lombardi went for it, and the Kings were in 1st place most of the year.

NHL trades for 2016-17 - NHL Trade Tracker

Look at the trades after that season. The only trade that would come close to Carter would be Weber. Old guy, big/long contract, etc. Hall is in a different set of circumstances, but if people want to count him in there, fine. That's maybe 2 trades that entire 16-17 season that would fit the Carter mold. Even fewer last year. I guess he could've been traded to Nashville instead of Turris, but Turris is 5 years younger.

If anyone was offering the PK Subban equivalent center for Carter, that's a deal Lombardi should've made. We'll never know. Outside of that, look how difficult it is to make trades.

A lot of trades, especially big trades, in a hard cap zero-sum world come down to timing. Even 2016 would've been a year too late for Carter. They were no longer a contender in 14-15.
 
The Kings had career years from a few players last year. They really needed to get past the first round but couldn’t hang with a four line speed team. Scorers couldn’t score.

I hated the Lucic trade but LA had a great season until that last crunch time when games got tougher. Choked against the Sharks.

Both those teams that beat the Kings did make it to the finals.

The frustration comes from the fact that this team should be better. I’ll take this team still over the Ray Ferraro days honestly.

But they have become stale and feel a bit irrelevant now.
 
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