Huge difference though in game situations and game awareness that you can't practice one on one etc, if he had a clear deficiency, then maybe, but from what he's shown, his only deficiency is his youth, and only way to get past that is playing him in games.
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Huge difference though in game situations and game awareness that you can't practice one on one etc, if he had a clear deficiency, then maybe, but from what he's shown, his only deficiency is his youth, and only way to get past that is playing him in games.
Um, that would be me! And again for someone who is registered since 2014 you only started posting this year.
I really don’t know why you think you are really all that special. You actually are a tool.
I know it was you, I was just being kind.
I've never said I was all that special, its people like you that tend to bestow that on me, I have said I have more experience in the game here than most posters here, and a few have taken that and ran with it. Usually it's those with anger issues who have to have someone to blame on a loss, and end up completely fumbling the analysis on a play and just end the post with, THIS TEAM SUCKS and can't give a rational reason as to why or what actually happened.
Team clearly isnt playing up to expectations, most people put that on the coach, I don't not yet, it could be, but I think Kings17 and Herby are also right, it's a roster problem, and if you change the coach and it turns out to be a roster problem, you didn't solve anything.
Blake and Management needs to have a long talk, and a long look to determine what it actually is, but don't worry, what are there, 74 more games for rage haters to get their TEAM SUCKS in....etc.
Raccoon Jesus
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It's never 'the right time' to fire a coach. It's always too early, or too late. This "just one game" philosophy that you've used literally every night so far is an example of that. When's the "right" time? I thought there was nowhere to go but up after Ottawa, but we brought that home and then some.
I don't think anyone thinks the roster is 'just right' either. Everyone has different visions for that, but most people agree it's stale-ish and some sort of change is needed. however, damn near everyone thinks it's time for Stevens to go. It's ok to be on the other side of that even if we disagree--but it's not ok to call over 90% of posters dumb and reactionary when if anything the mountain of evidence is pushing the needle towards 'fire' rather than 'its ok just wait.' That has nothing to do with game experience or in-depth analysis, it's a plain look at the game.
Only one I've said is Sol, and he's earned that,
You say that like Ottawa is some kind of punching bag, you do realize they have beaten some VERY good teams right?
I don't know if Stevens is the problem, or if it's the roster he's forced to use. Look at last night,
He slated....Rempal to skate on the 4th line, Amadio to skate with Carter and Kovy....he switched that after Rempals first shift, and that line was REALLY good in the first two periods, is that the signs of bad coaching?
Yes, it's just one thing out of a thousand that you can pick at, but how is it coaching when Pearson is just chasing everyone, giving up position? How is it coaching when JAD loses the faceoff, then loses his man? Again, one thing, one thing etc,
Yes, all these things will end up to something, but what is the question, I asked a question the other thread, when LA was winning last season, and scoring and everyone was like yay stevens.....what changed, the only answer that came back was Turgeon left...... unless you want to argue that Stevens somehow changed his system mid year last year.....which think about that, does that make any sense?
Again, could be Stevens, but could not be, but first half of last year, we were winning and scoring.....then it stopped....what changed?
Sol
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Yet again you only admit to being a dick to me about my opinions when I and others share the same damn opinions of what's happening in the game. People aren't calling you a dick because you're being an ass to me, they're calling you a dick because you're a giant douche bag to everyone.
And you're only cutting against the grain to be a troll at this point. People have called you out for your insulting demeanor for many months and you have made no effort to rectify it.
Thought you were done with me? Couldn't stay away could you,
And no, like I said, pretty sure you are the only one who thinks Quick is average and Clifford is a black hole.
Again, your problem is you can't backup any of your opinions with any well thought out analysis of the player/situation etc.
riznat
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Please leave these boards, your making them worse, not better.
Kingspiracy
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Perhaps Stevens has lost the room or other teams figured out what we were doing? The team looked good, they were happy to have a couch that wasn't a hard ass to start the year. Perhaps once we lost that initial jump stevens didn't have the answers. It can't be an easy gig for stevens following on from such a successful coach as sutter while trying to massage the egos of our top level players (cough Doughty cough). I constantly read complaints about ice time distribution, but if Doughty wants 30mins a game and bleats if he doesn't get it what you gonna do? Was an easy going coach brought in to get us through the Doughty re signing phase?
It's unfair of me to pin anything on Doughty, but it is a possibility.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Re: Ottawa I know. Lots of these teams have won one or two games in isolation. The problem is that we've lost to a slew of them in ugly fashions and one of the teams we beat in ugly fashion has gotten murdered by everyone. It's not about a one-off game. It's about ugly winning detroit, then going on to get smoked in ottawa, to, and at home vs NYI on the 2nd half of a back to back.
Re: the scoring last year that was a small stretch at the beginning of the season when we were playing wide open and the style clearly changed after that and was clearly marked by quotes from Stevens re: tightening up. It's been ever-worsening since. I don't know what broke the dam open--new players, new wrinkles, an offseason to wonder--but it's clearly busted and Stevens is at a loss for verbalizing any solutions. That press conference last night told me everything. He's got no words, no direction.
And yes you point to these plays by individual players--the JAD play you can chalk up to inexperience to a degree, for example--and Pearson is having an awful start himself--but when everyone is collectively 'forgetting' things, what do you think is more likely: that a team full of Stanley Cup veterans that was as recently as last year the best defensive and PK team in the league collectively forgot how to play all at once, or that something is amiss in the coaching? Like, people keep picking on the low hanging fruit like Pearson, but I can go down the roster and blast literally everyone. Every last player. And Thompson made almost that exact play that JAD made--and was rewarded with more playing time. There's no accountability, so why would Pearson straighten up? He's a pretty north-south uncomplicated player, if even he doesn't know where to go...am I making sense? Most of the issues aren't 'effort' issues, there execution issues that leave everyone on the ice looking at one another like wtf went wrong, and that hasn't happened since the Marc Crawford days.
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I strongly disagree with anyone saying it is only the roster or only the coaching.
Just like it's not only the drafting or only the development.
I do think there are differing degrees of causality. I think development's a lot more lackluster than the drafting. I think it's 50/50 between coaching and the roster.
The organization needs an overhaul in several aspects.
Just like it's not only the drafting or only the development.
I do think there are differing degrees of causality. I think development's a lot more lackluster than the drafting. I think it's 50/50 between coaching and the roster.
The organization needs an overhaul in several aspects.
Absolutely possible, not sure how you can quantify that or not, but yea, it's absolutely possible that he lost the room, I think he lost Jeff Carter, Carter is a passenger out there more than anyone else on the roster, as bad as you guys think Thompson is, the one thing he has over Carter, is that he's playing with passion, with some type of intensity, Carter is just coasting, that could be a sign of dissatisfaction with the coach,
If he has indeed lost the room, then he's gotta go, but at that point, you have to appoint an interim coach and really get down to the brass tacks and examine your roster, because there's no way, it's just Stevens, I don't know if he lost the room but he may have lost certain players etc.
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I saw many people being happy with Clifford not playing, a lot more than the people who want him in.
And as for Quick, I am a lot harder on Quick than the average poster, though I still see people come down on him often as well. I have also admitted I hold a high bar to Quick because of how great he has been.
I praise him when I see him doing well, and critique him when I think he's doing poorly.
I don't homer any player, only player I've turned a blind eye on has been Brown. Regardless, those opinions I share are still sentiments others agree with. My primary issues are universally agreed upon on these boards. Only you are the one who disagrees. Seriously, only you.
Stop bringing me up.
redcard
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Again, I'm no expert, but I don't believe that at all. Spokane has 58 games left, LA has 75 games left. Yes, he's playing fewer minutes here, but his ice time should gradually increase and he has extra games to accumulate more game situations and game awareness, and we can always send him to the WJC or to Spokane with 40, 30, 20 games left in their season to give him more. If he has no clear deficiency as you say, then Spokane's coaching staff isn't going to spend a whole lot of time on him, because they've got plenty of 16-17 year olds with blatant deficiencies that need to be addressed. In LA, we can sit him down with a video coach after each game and literally dissect all 11:36+ of his shifts. Once we're content that he's received enough instruction and want him to skate circles around junior players to work on the aspects we can send him down, whether that be today, next month, or January. The ELC doesn't matter.
Ziggy Stardust
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It's a disease that has infected the team for half a decade now, and it's deep rooted. Lombardi came into a similar mess and had to tear things apart to rebuild the team. This team has gotten way too content.
Montreal is 4-1-1 or was, with 2 of those against PIT, so not just isolated, I understand your meaning, but in the NHL today, there is no such thing as doormat teams, not like there was.
I take all press conferences with a grain of salt, doesn't mean anything, there's not one coach out there with the exception of Tortorella or Sutter that is going to lay down anything but cliches.
As far as your last paragraph, I disagree, there's accountability, but there's also reality in as how far you can go, JAD made that mistake, but he also continued to play, Wagner made that horrific read in WPG and didn't play, then was sat, I don't know either kid, and you might have to handle them differently.
If there are execution issues like you say, again, is that on the players or the coaches, if the issues aren't effort issues then the coach has done what he can and its up to the players to execute.
Simple question, first period, did it look like the Kings were executing properly? It did to me, that was clearly the best period they have played all year, I dont know what happened for it to stop, but it did. But if they were executing properly and it was working, why go away from it, and do you think the coaches said, great period, let's not do it anymore?
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Yes he can. He can be sent down whenever. It just means his ELC won't slide to the following year, which as I stated in my previous posts, isn't necessarily a bad thing.
AlphaBravo
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It is both. However, if I was Blake I would start off by getting a veteran coach with a clear vision. After hiring that coach and firing Stevens, I would have meetings with that coach to see which players on the roster can perform under his system and are worth keeping. Blake should then begin trading roster players from the 2014 cup run that are no longer effective or don't have the right hunger to stay with the team. Along with those considerations, Blake should think about recycling older players for younger players. There is no way we are competing for the cup this year; so this is a good year to retool the roster and focus on playing the right way for next season with a new roster.
AlphaBravo
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Everyone other than Kopitar is playing lost. This team is clearly confused. Doughty's comments about him not having a clue what is wrong with the power play says everything. Martinez looked like he was going to cry during the post-game interview.
This team needs an angry veteran coach that is going to whip everyone in place and playing together as a team. The roster needs to be overhauled as well.
Ok, don't know why I was thinking he literally couldn't be sent down...
redcard
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Probably because people are so afraid of the 9 game rule, which makes it seem like a bigger deal than it really is.
Coaching at this level is more than X’s and O’s, more than the system. I don’t think the players are clear in what they have to do on the ice, but I’m really not all that down on the systematic changes Stevens has made. Things have been opened up and are more reactive, guys are taking chances, and so on.
Where I think Stevens is incredibly weak is player ice management, lineup choices, and leadership. He’s terrible at matchups. That’s amplified because Sutter was really strong with that, but it’s something he struggles with. Same thing with the lineups, although he looks to be growing more flexible and is trying new things, which is an improvement. His worst quality is his leadership, in my opinion. When asked difficult questions or about team struggles, he doesn’t know how to answer. He appears to not really understand what is going wrong when things fall apart. We are used to a cocky coach who wouldn’t give a straight answer if he didn’t feel like it, but there was no doubt Sutter could pinpoint exactly why the team lost a game and what went wrong. I don’t get that feeling with Stevens at all, he’s more like a person who doesn’t know the answer and says whatever.
It’s probably why we were told by Flyers fans that he’s a good assistant but not suited for head coaching. He’s strong strategically and fairly good with systems and theory. A head coach has to be good with the mental side, and he’s just not. It’s why I think he doesn’t know what to say about the team sometimes, if it’s not a tactical issue but a mental one he literally can’t identify it. Look at his quotes from last night. He said disappointed like 5 times, and then “I can’t explain it, to be honest with you”. He doesn’t get that part of the game.
Where I think Stevens is incredibly weak is player ice management, lineup choices, and leadership. He’s terrible at matchups. That’s amplified because Sutter was really strong with that, but it’s something he struggles with. Same thing with the lineups, although he looks to be growing more flexible and is trying new things, which is an improvement. His worst quality is his leadership, in my opinion. When asked difficult questions or about team struggles, he doesn’t know how to answer. He appears to not really understand what is going wrong when things fall apart. We are used to a cocky coach who wouldn’t give a straight answer if he didn’t feel like it, but there was no doubt Sutter could pinpoint exactly why the team lost a game and what went wrong. I don’t get that feeling with Stevens at all, he’s more like a person who doesn’t know the answer and says whatever.
It’s probably why we were told by Flyers fans that he’s a good assistant but not suited for head coaching. He’s strong strategically and fairly good with systems and theory. A head coach has to be good with the mental side, and he’s just not. It’s why I think he doesn’t know what to say about the team sometimes, if it’s not a tactical issue but a mental one he literally can’t identify it. Look at his quotes from last night. He said disappointed like 5 times, and then “I can’t explain it, to be honest with you”. He doesn’t get that part of the game.
Just the bold part got a question about,
I don't watch the press conferences, because like I said earlier, you are gonna get a cliched etc,
Now, it very well can be what you said up above, but could it also be that he is "protecting" the players, not calling them out in the media etc, that he does know what the problem is/was/can be on any certain question but is reluctant to throw a player to the media wolves, because you as you put it in your first paragraph, coaching at that level, is more than systems, more than x's and o's etc,
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