Player Discussion Gerard Gallant

[RangerLifer]

Well....I'm not vetted...but I was informed of this an hour ago . Believe what you want . I'm not going to mention any names[but I could ] !!! but it was told by one of our bench staff...it goes like this when this family member was asked the question.....Will so and so be home at Christmas .....and so and so's parent answered....." So and so told us apparently there is a bad divide in the room and the boys figure they will be fired by Christmas ....so yes....they likely will be home ".


So....in saying that.....the staff knows that they just can't fix it with a benching or two and now we do know that the room indeed has a problem . Season is lost fellows.....and that might be the best thing instead of trading away our prospects and youth to get Dolan playoff revenue......but it is the Rangers and we know what comes next.......

By "they" do you mean "him?"

Divided room between who? The coaches and players?

I'm wondering the same.

 

[RangerLifer]

Why has he not been canned yet. Are we trying to tank for bedard?

Bedard to NY Rangers. Two years, Bedard is now a fourth-line grinder.

Last season 2 things happened
Kreider and Igor had career seasons
Igor was historically great and CK played twice as good than any season prior
They carried the team
They covered the worts
This year the worts r still there but these 2 arent coming close to producing like last year. I actually predicted this and im not shocked at all that we are a bubble team.
GG allowing the vets to run the team and decide for themselves when to get off the ice is one glaring mistake when it comes to fixing the worts
The handling of the kids also
He showed his true colors in the POs and his time here wont be long

I disagree. They played as a team last year. Now it's all individual stuff, one guy trying to do it all. They are playing with ZERO heart. Goaltending can't mask a terrible team.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

The main source of bad vibes is obviously Lafreniere and Kakko coming here and accomplishing virtually nothing - like, that second power play unit getting 30 seconds to turn the puck over has to be a kick in the dick for everyone every time it happens - so it seems apparent that some guys on the team would want them to get more opportunities and some guys would kind of think they're bums.

 

[duhmetreE]

Well....I'm not vetted...but I was informed of this an hour ago . Believe what you want . I'm not going to mention any names[but I could ] !!! but it was told by one of our bench staff...it goes like this when this family member was asked the question.....Will so and so be home at Christmas .....and so and so's parent answered....." So and so told us apparently there is a bad divide in the room and the boys figure they will be fired by Christmas ....so yes....they likely will be home ".


So....in saying that.....the staff knows that they just can't fix it with a benching or two and now we do know that the room indeed has a problem . Season is lost fellows.....and that might be the best thing instead of trading away our prospects and youth to get Dolan playoff revenue......but it is the Rangers and we know what comes next.......

I know you have familiarity with Turk.

I like the guy but he’s not the right coach for this young primmadonna team.

How is a room full of betas divided? Is it about the coaching?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The most alarming thing about Turk's press conference today is that he basically admitted that the kids need more opportunities but that they aren't getting them because of the vets. So tell me this Turk, what has that accomplished lately? Maybe the kids needing more ice time isn't a problem, maybe it's a solution.

 

[LoveGoons]

The most alarming thing about Turk's press conference today is that he basically admitted that the kids need more opportunities but that they aren't getting them because of the vets. So tell me this Turk, what has that accomplished lately? Maybe the kids needing more ice time isn't a problem, maybe it's a solution.

Kreider needs to be put on the 2nd or 3rd lines, but stay on the 1st PP and that units time needs to be reduced by 30sec a game at least..

 

[RangerLifer]

The most alarming thing about Turk's press conference today is that he basically admitted that the kids need more opportunities but that they aren't getting them because of the vets. So tell me this Turk, what has that accomplished lately? Maybe the kids needing more ice time isn't a problem, maybe it's a solution.

That part made my BP shoot up. Sit the damn millionaires!

 

[duhmetreE]

Divided room between who? The coaches and players?

If I had to guess, 1/2 the room believes in the coaching staff, the other half doesn't.

A house divided shall not stand.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The most alarming thing about Turk's press conference today is that he basically admitted that the kids need more opportunities but that they aren't getting them because of the vets. So tell me this Turk, what has that accomplished lately? Maybe the kids needing more ice time isn't a problem, maybe it's a solution.

Why are the vets telling the coach how to coach

 

[OldBlueshirt]

The most alarming thing about Turk's press conference today is that he basically admitted that the kids need more opportunities but that they aren't getting them because of the vets. So tell me this Turk, what has that accomplished lately? Maybe the kids needing more ice time isn't a problem, maybe it's a solution.

The inmates truly are running the asylum. Last season, the PP1 time was 60-70 seconds on average (I think but could be way off on that). Whereas this season PP1 is definitely on for a solid 90-100 seconds. And the way 10-20-93 think, they procrastinate even longer now before taking their solitary shot on goal since they're taking up the full PP. Back to Turk: What exactly is he getting paid to do then?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

That part made my BP shoot up. Sit the damn millionaires!

Except Fox. He can stay lol

 

[SA16]

The inmates truly are running the asylum. Last season, the PP1 time was 60-70 seconds on average (I think but could be way off on that). Whereas this season PP1 is definitely on for a solid 90-100 seconds. And the way 10-20-93 think, they procrastinate even longer now before taking their solitary shot on goal since they're taking up the full PP. Back to Turk: What exactly is he getting paid to do then?

They lead the league in shots on goal at 5v4 and are second in shots/60 so I'm not sure about the whole "solitary shot on goal" thing.

 

[Levitate]

yeahhhhhhhhhhhh I mean I've avoided posting around here because I don't have the energy for hysterics but I think Gallant f***ed up bad when he started mixing the lines around, for two reason...

At the start of the season they were playing well and had very good analytics, they controlled the game more, had tons of shots and high percentage chances, but were getting unlucky. Kakko with Zibanejad and Laf with Panarin was working fine at even strength and it actually gave those two a real role on the team and a spot to figure out.

But eventually the coach can't take unlucky results and has to stick bottom six players in the top six because somehow that will fix things and like f***ing clockwork (because every coach in the NHL does this and makes this same f***ing mistake and it happens every year but somehow they're all too smart to f***ing notice it) you get good results for like a game or two and then those bottom six guys end up bringing down the top six but the coach sticks with them because "well it worked well at first" and "they needed more grit and jam!" and instead now instead of playing well but getting unlucky the team is playing like shit and getting shit results

but oh no now we have to stick with one bad line idea (Vesey hasn't been terrible but I don't think that line is nearly as effective and creative as it was with Kakko) and throw shit at the wall for other lines and now guys like Kakko and Laf are moved and mixed around the lineup with no clear role on the team and look lost.

Again to me that's really the big issue with those high picks is that htose guys have no roles on this team. The coach won't rely on them to develop into top six players, he mixes them around on the bottom lines, he doesn't give them enough special teams time. They're basically being trained to be support players rather than the talent that the team needs. You don't want to use your 1st and 2nd overall picks as support players!

As for locker room stuff f*** if I know.

I wish he'd break up ZIbanejad and Kreider at this point if he's gonna f*** with lines, or really do SOMETHIGN that isn't just "let's just lean harder on the vets and punish the kids"

meh

I don't think he's really a bad coach but I think he got himself into a bad spot here

 

[Levitate]

It’s almost as if taking Laf and Kakko out of the top 6 was a god awful decision

yes, jesus christ this

I know people like the whole "kid line" and we can bicker over icetime at even strength and all but the bottom line is that if you're not playing with Zibanejad or Panarin then you're not really "in the top six" on this team because they are the talent and focus. The kid line is still an afterthought overall compared to those top two lines...the coach will never lean on them to get back into a game, they'll be the first to get their icetime cut if the coach feels like there needs to be more offense or trying to play catchup

 

[Levitate]

One thing I was thinking about when reading about Gallants perceived lack of accountability, when he blames losses on all the back to backs that they have had the players turn in efforts like they did last night. It's like the excuse is already baked in when things start going wrong.

I actually don't care if he holds players accountable in the media, that's all a dog and pony show anyways and doesn't matter. He could blame it on anything in a press conference and it doesn't matter.

What matters is if he's holding players accountable in the locker room and in practice and in the games and that doestt' seem to be the case except for Zach Jones for some f***ing reason

e: if Panarin's the problem then you absolutely can sit him and if you dont' have the balls to do that then get someone who does.

Panarin is undoubtedly the most skilled forward this team has but if he's not producing and is an issue then you tell him to f*** off until he gets his head straight because he's not helping the team. Or if it's ZIbanejad, or Kreider, or whoever.

If you're playing like shit and complaining about it then f*** off

 

[Levitate]

It is the latter one for sure . Oh well....10 million will spend further on PEI then Manhatten .

Just gonna post and post and post some more here but

Yeah interesting that Kreider was really the face of the team last year and in the playoffs and once Trouba was named captain now he's the face of the team

Also feels like Kreider has been listless and going through the motions this year

Reading a lot into what you said and making up bullshit and even if this is the case then Kreider still kinda needs to get over it at this point

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Just gonna post and post and post some more here but

Yeah interesting that Kreider was really the face of the team last year and in the playoffs and once Trouba was named captain now he's the face of the team

Also feels like Kreider has been listless and going through the motions this year

Reading a lot into what you said and making up bullshit and even if this is the case then Kreider still kinda needs to get over it at this point

Of all the so called “leaders” on this team , Kreider has been the least bad this year, or 2nd least if you count Fox

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The most alarming thing about Turk's press conference today is that he basically admitted that the kids need more opportunities but that they aren't getting them because of the vets. So tell me this Turk, what has that accomplished lately? Maybe the kids needing more ice time isn't a problem, maybe it's a solution.

the most alarming thing is that he's still allowed inside MSG.

 

[Levitate]

Vince’s column really sums it up for me

Projected lineup: Here's the move the NY Rangers need to make for the present and future

The New York Rangers need to stop stunting the growth of their young talent.

www.lohud.com

 

[Chaels Arms]

Elliotte Friedman talked about Trouba from the other night and Gallant on the 31 Thoughts Podcast today. He said Trouba is a throwback player and younger players like Athanasiou are not used to facing someone like him so they are stunned when they come up across a defenseman that is looking to destroy the other team's forwards. Luke Richardson made a similar comment that in prior seasons when there were more players like Trouba everyone's benches were proactive in reminding each other to be aware when those players were on the ice and that maybe that type of thing needs to start happening again.

On Gallant, he said he's getting tons of DMs from Rangers fans asking if he's heard any rumblings about GG being replaced by Trotz. He said he has not but given Dolan's history of impatience with prior management he does wonder if Dolan once again demands changes be made if the team doesn't improve.

 

[OldBlueshirt]

Why are the vets telling the coach how to coach

And these same vets (plus Strome in Quinn's final year) are/were telling their coach "don't tell us how to play".

 

[kinger8998]

I actually don't care if he holds players accountable in the media, that's all a dog and pony show anyways and doesn't matter. He could blame it on anything in a press conference and it doesn't matter.

What matters is if he's holding players accountable in the locker room and in practice and in the games and that doestt' seem to be the case except for Zach Jones for some f***ing reason

e: if Panarin's the problem then you absolutely can sit him and if you dont' have the balls to do that then get someone who does.

I agree and disagree.

2013 Torts saying Hagelin is a "jitterbug" and he "sucks on the PP" is not the right way to go about it.
2022 Torts getting pissed at the media for asking him about his teams effort and he defended his team, yet will still comment on certain players publicly is the way to go sometimes.

What seems to be the issue here is star status and contracts have become bigger than the team and results. I personally wouldn't mind Gallant tossing a non-chalant callout in the media to light a fire under someone. Don't have to degrade the player and break the relationship, but clearly hes unwilling or unable to call him out privately or he has and it hasn't worked.

As a coach you need to have your teams best interest in mind, and within that, maintain solid, trusting foundational relationships with your players to maintain their faith in you and their will to play for you. As long as he doesn't go about it in a 2012 Torts way, if a light, lowkey callout of Panarin Kreider or Zibanejad in the media torpedoes their game even further, we have MUCH bigger issues than accountability that no one wants to acknowledge.

These are men, paid large sums of money to perform, who aren't performing. That falls on them. What falls on Gallant is not holding them accountable in every way he can to get the most out of them from his abilities.

Stop demoting Kakko and Laf, calling them out for penalties (Laf against LA), if you won't do the same to your overpaid stars (for the levels they are performing at). Enough with Vesey and Goodrow elevated over youngsters who have dealt with the "rookie" treatment, and earned the extra ice through improved play even if the stats haven't panned out totally because they only got 11 games before they got blamed for the 4-3 Isles breakdown that was really goaltending, defense, poor leadership and our stars getting shown up by the do-it-by-committee Isles.

 

[Levitate]

I agree and disagree.

2013 Torts saying Hagelin is a "jitterbug" and he "sucks on the PP" is not the right way to go about it.
2022 Torts getting pissed at the media for asking him about his teams effort and he defended his team, yet will still comment on certain players publicly is the way to go sometimes.

What seems to be the issue here is star status and contracts have become bigger than the team and results. I personally wouldn't mind Gallant tossing a non-chalant callout in the media to light a fire under someone. Don't have to degrade the player and break the relationship, but clearly hes unwilling or unable to call him out privately or he has and it hasn't worked.

As a coach you need to have your teams best interest in mind, and within that, maintain solid, trusting foundational relationships with your players to maintain their faith in you and their will to play for you. As long as he doesn't go about it in a 2012 Torts way, if a light, lowkey callout of Panarin Kreider or Zibanejad in the media torpedoes their game even further, we have MUCH bigger issues than accountability that no one wants to acknowledge.

These are men, paid large sums of money to perform, who aren't performing. That falls on them. What falls on Gallant is not holding them accountable in every way he can to get the most out of them from his abilities.

Stop demoting Kakko and Laf, calling them out for penalties (Laf against LA), if you won't do the same to your overpaid stars (for the levels they are performing at). Enough with Vesey and Goodrow elevated over youngsters who have dealt with the "rookie" treatment, and earned the extra ice through improved play even if the stats haven't panned out totally because they only got 11 games before they got blamed for the 4-3 Isles breakdown that was really goaltending, defense, poor leadership and our stars getting shown up by the do-it-by-committee Isles.

Yeah fair enough, I agree with lots of that. I just feel like sometimes people want coaches to call out guys to the media because they see that as "holding players accountable", but the media component to it is a small part IMO

 

[OldBlueshirt]

They lead the league in shots on goal at 5v4 and are second in shots/60 so I'm not sure about the whole "solitary shot on goal" thing.

I understand and believe the numbers but it doesn't feel that way while watching. They still pass up on shots, whether on PP or ES.

 

[kinger8998]

Yeah fair enough, I agree with lots of that. I just feel like sometimes people want coaches to call out guys to the media because they see that as "holding players accountable", but the media component to it is a small part IMO

Yes, locker room and coaches meetings with players are far more indicative of a coaches willingness to call out players, and we'll never know how much or little that happens. But I can guarantee if a subtle callout was made in the media, it's definitely been made behind closed doors too to no avail...or else players would lose all respect for the coach as a coward who can only call him out to media and not to face.

A coach subtly saying something via media in my opinion normally comes after previous private failed attempts. Much as a callout in fronnt of the entire team likely came after a private 1v1 callout in a meeting.

Whatever Gallant is doing in terms of this (if its anything at all) is clearly not enough and/or its not working in the slightest