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UsernameWasTaken said:
Whether they were bigger parts of their team or not, both said they were happy not to go. And apparently Boston felt it was better for Seguin not to go. It's not surprising that a player who is playing in the NHL would prefer to stay with that team rather than being released for U20 tournament. It says no more about Seguin than it does about any of the other players who play in the NHL while being U20 eligible and feel the same way.
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Once again, it is about perceptions. Playing lots of minutes in the NHL and wanting to continue doing that (Skinner or Monahan) is understandable to most people, while Seguin's situation was not as understandable. There is a difference, particularly in public opinion.

UsernameWasTaken said:
He had the wrist surgery in mid-May - while the WC tournament was going on - and he'd been playing through pain before that. It's not a snub that he had surgery that he needed rather than continuing to play through pain at WC. Most teams would want that for their players rather than going off to a tournament. I have no doubt the Bruins were happy he had the surgery rather than playing.
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I don't think HC, or many fans, care what Boston thinks. It isn't relevant. Surgery is understandable, but it's not a decision which generates goodwill. Add these things up, and then (most importantly) throw in Seguin's reputation, and these are the results. In any event, there is no strong indication that Seguin is especially displeased with HC, nor is there any indication that he is desperate to play for Canada either.
 
JackSlater said:
Once again, it is about perceptions. Playing lots of minutes in the NHL and wanting to continue doing that (Skinner or Monahan) is understandable to most people, while Seguin's situation was not as understandable. There is a difference, particularly in public opinion.
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Boston decided not to send him. It's perfectly understandable. Other teams have sent players who were in the NHL...for whatever reason, Boston elected not to. If people are blaming Seguin for Boston's decision its stupid. If you don't find it "understandable" that Seguin would rather stay with his NHL team than to play at a junior tournament I really don't know what to say to you.

Hockey Canada apparently didn't think Seguin was worthy of a place on the team the same season he tied for the OHL lead in scoring.

I don't think HC, or many fans, care what Boston thinks. It isn't relevant. Surgery is understandable, but it's not a decision which generates goodwill. Add these things up, and then (most importantly) throw in Seguin's reputation, and these are the results. In any event, there is no strong indication that Seguin is especially displeased with HC, nor is there any indication that he is desperate to play for Canada either.
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If Hockey Canada feels "bad will" toward a player for having surgery the doctors told him to have, then the problem is with them. Seguin had been playing in the playoffs in pain and had the surgery shortly after they were over.

People on this board nitpick over the stupidest things. There are lots of players who don't play at WC with far weaker rationale than Seguin did.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
Boston decided not to send him. It's perfectly understandable. Other teams have sent players who were in the NHL...for whatever reason, Boston elected not to. If people are blaming Seguin for Boston's decision its stupid. If you don't find it "understandable" that Seguin would rather stay with his NHL team than to play at a junior tournament I really don't know what to say to you.
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Who cares what Boston did? The issue is what Seguin said, since apparently you lost track of the point. Seguin said that he wanted to stay in the NHL instead of play in the WJC. For many people, it is much more understandable when a player who is a contributor to their NHL team (Skinner, etc.) says that than Seguin. Whether or not you agree, that is something that people remember.

UsernameWasTaken said:
Hockey Canada apparently didn't think Seguin was worthy of a place on the team the same season he tied for the OHL lead in scoring.
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True. And? If your point is that this decision (probably the wrong one) indicates that Seguin would justifiably have an issue with HC, then I guess you actually do agree with others.

UsernameWasTaken said:
If Hockey Canada feels "bad will" toward a player for having surgery the doctors told him to have, then the problem is with them. Seguin had been playing in the playoffs in pain and had the surgery shortly after they were over.

People on this board nitpick over the stupidest things. There are lots of players who don't play at WC with far weaker rationale than Seguin did.
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The doctors told Seguin that he could continue playing without further damaging his hand. The surgery call was his own. There are worse reasons to refuse to go of course.
 
JackSlater said:
Who cares what Boston did? The issue is what Seguin said, since apparently you lost track of the point. Seguin said that he wanted to stay in the NHL instead of play in the WJC. For many people, it is much more understandable when a player who is a contributor to their NHL team (Skinner, etc.) says that than Seguin. Whether or not you agree, that is something that people remember.
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He was playing between 10-15 minutes per night at the time. He wasn't sitting in the press box.

Tom Wilson played a lot less this year - and was happy not to go. You don't see people complaining about him.

The doctors told Seguin that he could continue playing without further damaging his hand. The surgery call was his own. There are worse reasons to refuse to go of course.
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...but he would continue experiencing pain when he played. Obviously that's not a sustainable situation. Waiting until the playoffs were over and having the surgery was the right thing to do.

Like I said, the things that people complain about here are just ridiculous.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
He was playing between 10-15 minutes per night at the time. He wasn't sitting in the press box.

Tom Wilson played a lot less this year - and was happy not to go. You don't see people complaining about him.
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I don't remember any quotes from Wilson, but it would certainly be a similar situation. Being an inferior player and having a better (basically non-existant) reputation plays a role in perception of course.

UsernameWasTaken said:
...but he would continue experiencing pain when he played. Obviously that's not a sustainable situation. Waiting until the playoffs were over and having the surgery was the right thing to do.

Like I said, the things that people complain about here are just ridiculous.
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That is your opinion. In any event, if Seguin goes to the tournament this year (have to assume he is being invited) that opinion will go away. If he refuses, it will get significantly bigger as he could be the best player on the team.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
He was playing between 10-15 minutes per night at the time. He wasn't sitting in the press box.

Tom Wilson played a lot less this year - and was happy not to go. You don't see people complaining about him.



...but he would continue experiencing pain when he played. Obviously that's not a sustainable situation. Waiting until the playoffs were over and having the surgery was the right thing to do.

Like I said, the things that people complain about here are just ridiculous.
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Hardly the same situation...those 2 players are not even on the same planet, not even the same universe. And this is not directed at you, but not a fan of Tom Wilson (JackSlater can attest to that) But he is not even remotely close to a NT player...not now... not ever. He's David freakin Steckle who can fight.. The fact that there were a few at Hockey Canada who included him in the 4 game junior summit series a while back just goes to show how poorly they (Pendergast especially) evaluated talent. And for those who say, ya he was a 1st. rd draft pick. So freakin what... Steckle was a 1st rd pick as well.

as for Seguin..I defend him, but unless he has a legitimate reason to decline an invite, then he'll be criticized for it. It just goes with the territory...it's the trade-off they make for their mega millions and celebrity status. I'm sure you've noticed they get their ***** kissed too when they often don't deserve it, so sometimes they get the boot...unjustified or not is hardly the point.

but you are right, I place the blame for these kinds of attitudes of certain players directly on Hockey Canada...
 
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Mr Writer said:
Hardly the same situation...those 2 players are not even on the same planet, not even the same universe. And this is not directed at you, but not a fan of Tom Wilson (JackSlater can attest to that) But he is not even remotely close to a NT player...not now... not ever. He's David freakin Steckle who can fight.. The fact that there were a few at Hockey Canada who included him in the 4 game junior summit series a while back just goes to show how poorly they (Pendergast especially) evaluated talent. And for those who say, ya he was a 1st. rd draft pick. So freakin what... Steckle was a 1st rd pick as well.

as for Seguin..I defend him, but unless he has a legitimate reason to decline an invite, then he'll be criticized for it. It just goes with the territory...it's the trade-off they make for their mega millions and celebrity status. I'm sure you've noticed they get their ***** kissed too when they often don't deserve it, so sometimes they get the boot...unjustified or not is hardly the point.

but you are right, I place the blame for these kinds of attitudes of certain players directly on Hockey Canada...
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You don't have to convince me...I was quite happy for Wilson to stay home. My point was just that I think it's unfair to malign Seguin.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
You don't have to convince me...I was quite happy for Wilson to stay home. My point was just that I think it's unfair to malign Seguin.
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and my point was fair or not...it comes with the territory. they have to take the good with the bad...

besides it looks as Seguin will be busy pimping out his new Dallas mansion he purchased from Modano. (at least that's the rumor) So, no World Championship for young Tyler. I hope he hires plenty of Staff to keep that place tidy...b/c I hear he's a bit of a slob.
 
TherapyforGlencross said:
Does anyone actually think Bozak will go to the WHC? If he hasn't accepted yet, I doubt he'll go.
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It seems that Bozak received a conditional invitation. In that situation he has already accepted, but HC is waiting to see if other (better) players accept. So if someone like Johansen goes, Bozak stays home.
 
JackSlater said:
It seems that Bozak received a conditional invitation. In that situation he has already accepted, but HC is waiting to see if other (better) players accept. So if someone like Johansen goes, Bozak stays home.
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No player, no matter what their "star status" is, should have to put up with a freakin lousy conditional invite. Bozak if he had a backbone he'd tell HC to go **** off. conditional invite. Either I'm in or I'm out..otherwise, screw off Blake.
 
Mr Writer said:
and my point was fair or not...it comes with the territory. they have to take the good with the bad...

besides it looks as Seguin will be busy pimping out his new Dallas mansion he purchased from Modano. (at least that's the rumor) So, no World Championship for young Tyler. I hope he hires plenty of Staff to keep that place tidy...b/c I hear he's a bit of a slob.
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I'm sure the young ladies will enjoy his new "crib"

And that is what it's all about for the T-man.
 
Mr Writer said:
No player, no matter what their "star status" is, should have to put up with a freakin lousy conditional invite. Bozak if he had a backbone he'd tell HC to go **** off. conditional invite. Either I'm in or I'm out..otherwise, screw off Blake.
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This.

If I was in Bozak's place, it would be a slap in the face tbh.
 
Mr Writer said:
No player, no matter what their "star status" is, should have to put up with a freakin lousy conditional invite. Bozak if he had a backbone he'd tell HC to go **** off. conditional invite. Either I'm in or I'm out..otherwise, screw off Blake.
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Where was it ever stated that he received a conditional invite? You constantly just make stuff up and act like you have inside information
 
Awilliams said:
Where was it ever stated that he received a conditional invite? You constantly just make stuff up and act like you have inside information
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I'm not the one who said he received a conditional invite, only responding to the post that suggested that was the case...so try being a little more attentive. Have a good one.
 
Does anyone else think that interest in / media coverage of this tournament seems weaker than normal this year? I haven't seen anything about the players receiving invitations after the 1st playoff round...normally we would have heard about the status of the Schwartz's, Johansen's, Seguin's, etc., by now. Maybe its international hockey overload, and the lack of star power associated with this being an Olympic year - which IMO has the impact of both reducing the number of Olympic players actually accepting the invite (only Perry accepted in 2010), and the number of young guys looking to bolster their reputation and credibility with HC. Or maybe Blake is just waiting until the 1st round is complete before sending out his final invitations.

As to Seguin; its an interesting debate to be sure. I personally don't hold it against him if he chooses not to accept the HC invite. I also have an enormous amount of respect for players like Joel Ward and Jason Chimera who wouldn't make the Olympic team in a million years, but still choose to represent Canada. The flip side of course is that, as a potential bubble player for any future editions of Team Canada (2016 or 2018, whatever the case may be), a player of comparable quality (say, Matt Duchene) who gets his ass over to Europe at every possible opportunity for HC will probably slot in ahead of Seguin on the depth chart, all things being equal.
 
Awilliams said:
Where was it ever stated that he received a conditional invite? You constantly just make stuff up and act like you have inside information
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Bozak stated that he was approached but not formally asked to play. Clarke MacArthur was in a situation a few years ago where HC told him that he could play in the tournament if a few other players turned down their offers. My assumption is that Bozak is in a similar situation to MacArthur.
 
86Habs said:
Does anyone else think that interest in / media coverage of this tournament seems weaker than normal this year? I haven't seen anything about the players receiving invitations after the 1st playoff round...normally we would have heard about the status of the Schwartz's, Johansen's, Seguin's, etc., by now. Maybe its international hockey overload, and the lack of star power associated with this being an Olympic year - which IMO has the impact of both reducing the number of Olympic players actually accepting the invite (only Perry accepted in 2010), and the number of young guys looking to bolster their reputation and credibility with HC. Or maybe Blake is just waiting until the 1st round is complete before sending out his final invitations.

As to Seguin; its an interesting debate to be sure. I personally don't hold it against him if he chooses not to accept the HC invite. I also have an enormous amount of respect for players like Joel Ward and Jason Chimera who wouldn't make the Olympic team in a million years, but still choose to represent Canada. The flip side of course is that, as a potential bubble player for any future editions of Team Canada (2016 or 2018, whatever the case may be), a player of comparable quality (say, Matt Duchene) who gets his ass over to Europe at every possible opportunity for HC will probably slot in ahead of Seguin on the depth chart, all things being equal.
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practically non existent.

And some players just seem to place more importance on the international game than do others...and some just couldn't be bothered.
 
With the Blue Jackets eliminated- would love to see Ryan Johansen get an invite. Really impressed the way he played this year. Hopefully Seguin can represent his country as well.
 
If I was Bozak I would be honoured to be considered and would accept if/when the invitation is made. You only get so many chances to play for your country.
 
So who does the team add after the first round: Carlo Colaiacovo, Steve Ott, Dustin Jeffrey, and Nick Schultz?
 
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