Prospect Info: General Discussion of Prospects

[Chainshot]

Organizationally, I continue to hope that they make progress in the realm of identifying and closing the deal on UDFA. One way they could make up for not drafting high skill players in that second or third round area is if they could fill in their system from either collegiate or European ranks. Snagging Pilut and Routsalainen are both solid moves. It would be great to see they augment their prospect depth further with more like that. If nothing else, there is the MLSE method: Players who don’t make the big club have a season or two in the minors as productive members of the farm team and can be used in trade.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Bolded is verifiably untrue

Really? Well let's see using the 3 most relevant drafts.

2013 NHL Draft

EVERY SINGLE top 35 pick played at least 1 game. Out of the top 35, 31 of the 35 played 40+ career games. 27 of the 35 played 100+ games.

2014 NHL draft

32 of the 35 players played in 1 game. Oh 2 of the 3 were the 34 and 35 picks. And 27 of the 35 played 80+ games.

2015 NHL draft

33 of the top 35 played 1 game.25 of the 35 played 67+ games.

So I would say what I said was CORRECT. Top 35 picks more likely then not pan out. If you are using that outdated success rate chart you can disregard that since picks in the 40-60 range totally skew the %.

What I said was 100% true. Top 32/35 picks are 1st round talents and more likely then not become NHLers. FACT.

Where Samuelsson and Johnson were drafted mean that they are expected to become full time NHLers. Don't see why there is a need to argue when I am correct. Virtually every single 1st rounder plays in at least 1 game. And Samuelsson to me is the same thing as a 1st rounder. In 2 years his draft spot will be a 1st round pick. If you draft well then #31 or 32 overall picks WILL be NHLers.

 

[jc17]

Our standard for success is 1 NHL game played?

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Our standard for success is 1 NHL game played?

No, not at all. Hence why I included a barometer of games played. 2/3rds to 3/4s of the top 35 picks have become regulars. Again, pointless things just to argue over. Considering this f***ing franchise has gotten ZERO games out of back to back 1st round picks TWICE (Heisten and Kriukov then Zagrapan and Persson) in the last 20 years maybe we should have that as a barometer.

 

[SundherDome]

Should have kept Antipin. The big issue I have is that the players come in and just don't seem physically ready to play. I still really don't trust their ability to develop players.

 

[jc17]

Where Samuelsson and Johnson were drafted mean that they are expected to become full time NHLers.

This is just wrong.

10 years, 2005-2014. Picks 28-33. Giving you the benefit of the doubt because the guys you mentioned were 31 and 32.

Of 60 players, 10 have played the equivalent of 3 seasons. 16%. As they get older a few more will reach this point but no more than 10 at most looking at the list. Still, say they do, 32%.

In no way are guys drafted in these spots expected to become regular NHLers.

 

[Chainshot]

That's a bit of a mic drop moment @jc17 . Well done.

 

[DolanPlsGoSabres]

This is just wrong.

10 years, 2005-2014. Picks 28-33. Giving you the benefit of the doubt because the guys you mentioned were 31 and 32.

Of 60 players, 10 have played the equivalent of 3 seasons. 16%. As they get older a few more will reach this point but no more than 10 at most looking at the list. Still, say they do, 32%.

In no way are guys drafted in these spots expected to become regular NHLers.
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Nice. Half a season of NHL games accrued after D+5, D+6 does not count as pan out. For someone who kept saying that Bailey and Baptiste were busts, I suppose they would count as panned out for this narrative.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

The point is they might not add anything reguardless of what you like in them. We already see Murrays draft picks and quite a few of them hit. Dolan illustrated the Murray picks of promise above.

This thing of Botterill vs Murray is out of hand in the minds of some on here. I'm for not for choosing sides of either but I feel Layne goes into hyperbole in his post to vindicate Botterill to put down Murray when right now Murray's picks are contributing more than Botterill's.

As of right now as I see it Murray did more for this pipeline in his short time than Regier did. Judgement is out still on Botterill.

I agree I don't take sides of either GM I just want a winning team

 

[Sabre the Win]

I agree I don't take sides of either GM I just want a winning team

you and me both

 

[Chainshot]

It seems terrible that we are left again with the slim ray of hope afforded through watching prospects and potential draftees.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Wasn’t sure where to post this, but I wanted to share it.

Edit - thank you to whoever moved this post into the proper thread for me!

 

[jc17]

Lol.

What are the chances Johnson is better than kaliyev or brink?

 

[Gabrielor]

Should've taken Kaliyev....

 

[Black Kevin]

What is up with Lukkonen playing in the ECHL?

 

[Samsonite23]

What is up with Lukkonen playing in the ECHL?

Post hip surgery. They're easing him back. Looks like he got back up to speed almost immediately though.

 

[Fjordsen]

Why Botterill not didn't take Brink or Hoglander.

 

[jc17]

Who has the most input there? Of course botterill makes the final call but is that the head of scouting making that pick

 

[Fjordsen]

Who has the most input there? Of course botterill makes the final call but is that the head of scouting making that pick

Who controls head of the scouts, isn't it GM? Why do we need another LD prospect if we have already taken LD in 2018, when we clearly lack more good prospects in attack.

 

[flashsabre]

Should've taken Kaliyev....

Kaliyev would be a Sabres HFboards fan wet dream “He is so slow, he doesn’t do anything but tap in the odd PP goal. Why is he in the lineup and why did the Sabres waste a 1st round pick on him!!!!”

 

[tsujimoto74]

What is up with Lukkonen playing in the ECHL?

He had hip surgery over the summer, so they eased him back into things. Plus there hasn't been any need to call him up to the AHL with both Hammond and (surprisingly) Johansson playing very well for the Amerks. I have no problem with him slow-cooking for now. He'll get his chances.

 

[jc17]

Who controls head of the scouts, isn't it GM? Why do we need another LD prospect if we have already taken LD in 2018, when we clearly lack more good prospects in attack.

The position thing doesn't really bother me. I'd be equally upset if the gm passed on a lot of talent for the sake of positional need.

The talent evaluation is the concerning part right now

 

[Chainshot]

The position thing doesn't really bother me. I'd be equally upset if the gm passed on a lot of talent for the sake of positional need.

The talent evaluation is the concerning part right now

That is very much a concern.

 

[Fjordsen]

The position thing doesn't really bother me. I'd be equally upset if the gm passed on a lot of talent for the sake of positional need.

The talent evaluation is the concerning part right now

Yes, but I don't have the confidence that he picks BPA players.

 

[Buffaloed]

Yes, but I don't have the confidence that he picks BPA players.

That's an impossible standard.