Main reason why the deal is talking a while, Gaudreaus contract situation is different than most in recent memory. 2 year rookie deal where he obviously exceeded expectations tenfold, now he's 23 with no rights as he know this when he burnt a year of his entry level contract which allowed him to get to free agency quicker. Now he would ideally like a deal which sees him become a FA when he's 28-29 but the flames obviously want him for 7-8.either way he's gonna get another massive contract so if the flames do end up looking cheap by dragging this out I don't care, he's gonna get paid quite fairly over the next 10-15 years so taking a bit of a cut on a contract where he doesn't have any rights is exactly what the flames want him to do because at the end of the day this is a business and there's a cap. Would you want your GM to be any different?
Speculation: Gaudreau seeking $8M annually on new deal with Flames
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Main reason why the deal is talking a while, Gaudreaus contract situation is different than most in recent memory. 2 year rookie deal where he obviously exceeded expectations tenfold, now he's 23 with no rights as he know this when he burnt a year of his entry level contract which allowed him to get to free agency quicker. Now he would ideally like a deal which sees him become a FA when he's 28-29 but the flames obviously want him for 7-8.either way he's gonna get another massive contract so if the flames do end up looking cheap by dragging this out I don't care, he's gonna get paid quite fairly over the next 10-15 years so taking a bit of a cut on a contract where he doesn't have any rights is exactly what the flames want him to do because at the end of the day this is a business and there's a cap. Would you want your GM to be any different?
Like I said right away when these talks started, JGs demand is if anything low/very reasonable.
There is no doubt a tendency among fans to live in the past when it comes to contract sums. Like you know, 9m is the new 7m and so forth. But right now, we have a whole different layer of this since the front-loaded cap-circumventing contracts has been banned. You just cannot look at like Zach Parise's caphit of 7.5m and compare it to JG's next contract. ZP will be making -- way -- over 10m per for a really long part of that contract in reality. I am not saying that you can look at Parise's actual salary only, the circumstances are different, but...
JG is an extremely good hockey player. Can lead any team offensively. 8m per with a 75m cap is 10.6% of a team's cap space. From 05' to 11', the cap was under 60m. When like Philly signed Daniel Briere to a 8 year deal he got 6.5m per in 07', the cap was 50m. In other words, 13% of Philly's cap space. And all decent UFAs signed for those sums during this period, if not more (Drury, Gomez and co).
I think the reactions in this thread would be much more proper if JG asked for 10-11m per, I seriously do.
There is no doubt a tendency among fans to live in the past when it comes to contract sums. Like you know, 9m is the new 7m and so forth. But right now, we have a whole different layer of this since the front-loaded cap-circumventing contracts has been banned. You just cannot look at like Zach Parise's caphit of 7.5m and compare it to JG's next contract. ZP will be making -- way -- over 10m per for a really long part of that contract in reality. I am not saying that you can look at Parise's actual salary only, the circumstances are different, but...
JG is an extremely good hockey player. Can lead any team offensively. 8m per with a 75m cap is 10.6% of a team's cap space. From 05' to 11', the cap was under 60m. When like Philly signed Daniel Briere to a 8 year deal he got 6.5m per in 07', the cap was 50m. In other words, 13% of Philly's cap space. And all decent UFAs signed for those sums during this period, if not more (Drury, Gomez and co).
I think the reactions in this thread would be much more proper if JG asked for 10-11m per, I seriously do.
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Seeking 8 million probably what Lindholm expects. Like I previously said do a 1 for 1 swap. Both clubs make out good value for value
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Ummm, no!
Gaudreau is worth far more than Lindholm and especially for the Flames who don't need him.And if Lindholm expects 8 million off of a 28 point season he and his agent lack brain cells plain and simple.
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Or how about Treliving like many of his other counterparts has full authority over his own job? Do you think every President of HO dabbles into the GM role? Why would he even hire Treliving and not just put himself back into that role after Feaster?
What makes you believe McDavid will even be worth Gaudreau money let alone $15m?
Because most people realize 19 year old McDavid is better than 23 year old Gaudreau.
Because most people realize 19 year old McDavid is better than 23 year old Gaudreau.
Did you watch the WC? Gaudreau was clearly the best player on NA, he got more points (way more if you include exhibition games) despite the coach having a 9" ***** for McDavid and trying to work him out of his slump for the entire tournament.
There no need for you to direct your anger from the Gaudreau situation towards Connor McDavid and the Edmonton Oilers.
Worry about your management team putting their big boy pants on and getting this deal done.
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What makes you believe McDavid will even be worth Gaudreau money let alone $15m?
You can't be serious.
lol, wut? I'm just saying it's a bit ridiculous to say "19 y/o McDavid > 23 y/o Gaudreau" when the exact opposite was recently proven in front of the entire world.
You're not fooling anyone with these desperate attempts at distraction.
Gaudreau needs a contract, his performance at the World Cup is not relevant.
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Na, we'd need an offensive threat coming back. We're set on our top 3 D for awhile.
You heard it here guys, more points in a 3 game sample size is enough to conclusively prove that one player is better than another. Gaudreau and McDavid both looked great for team NA. I honestly thought McDavid generated more, but was snakebitten and wasn't able to finish.
Anyway, this isn't a Gaudreau vs McDavid thread. Gaudreau is probably the 3rd best LW in the world right now and $8M sounds about right to me. Marchand and ~$6M, Gaudreau at ~$8M, and Kane at ~$10M seems like an appropriate spread between similar types of players.
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What makes you believe McDavid will even be worth Gaudreau money let alone $15m?
As an 18/19 year old, he had a better ppg than a 23 year old Gaudreau. Oh yeah, he's a center
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Panarin contract:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-bowman-panarin-contract-20160927-story.html
Better numbers than Gaudreau, rookie of the year, similar in age. Asking 6 million over 6 years
Gaudreau better come out of the clouds soon...no way he's getting close to his ask.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-bowman-panarin-contract-20160927-story.html
Better numbers than Gaudreau, rookie of the year, similar in age. Asking 6 million over 6 years
Gaudreau better come out of the clouds soon...no way he's getting close to his ask.
He was the best player for team north america not named mcdavid. I said from day 1 8x8 for johnny hockey. Dont compare him to mcdavid i cant even fathom well mcdavid will be at 23.
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Not sure why Gaudreau needs to be compared to McDavid. It's a 23 year old winger versus a 19 year old center.
He's got two very good seasons under his belt. At his age, and considering Calgary's future, a 7 or 8 year deal should be a given. Granted that the current cost for players is almost exactly $1m per 10 points, why wouldn't $7.8M for a 78 point season make sense? Or expect a slight improvement, extrapolate to a full 82 point season, and settle somewhere around $8.5M?
The fact that a deal hasn't gotten done tells me either Calgary doesn't realize how valuable he is, or that Gaudreau wants out. And as an Oilers fan, I really hope it's not the latter. I would love to see the Oilers face and try and defend Gaudreau for the next 8 years. He's a thrill to watch.
He's got two very good seasons under his belt. At his age, and considering Calgary's future, a 7 or 8 year deal should be a given. Granted that the current cost for players is almost exactly $1m per 10 points, why wouldn't $7.8M for a 78 point season make sense? Or expect a slight improvement, extrapolate to a full 82 point season, and settle somewhere around $8.5M?
The fact that a deal hasn't gotten done tells me either Calgary doesn't realize how valuable he is, or that Gaudreau wants out. And as an Oilers fan, I really hope it's not the latter. I would love to see the Oilers face and try and defend Gaudreau for the next 8 years. He's a thrill to watch.
Ya and Gaudreau didn't have Kane to play on a line with smh. You think he gets anywhere near those numbers without Kane and was 2 years older than Gaudreau in his rookie season so nice try bud.
People will compare because they are both on rival teams and also the annoyance by flames and other teams fans that McDavid will sneeze on the bench and TSN will run a one minute analyzation of it. Where as Gaudreau can go out and be a top 6 scorer and get far less respect. It is what it is and it won't change but McDavid will always be given the benefit of the doubt
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I'd say judging a players true ability on a pre-season exhibition tournament, with unfamiliar teammates, and rusty from the off-season is pretty asinine. But if that's why you think Gaudreau has the edge, that's why your not a scout.
Gaudreau was the biggest spot picker, on that whole team. Rarely entered the defensive zone, but looked great because everytime the puck was cleared to center ice, he was right there to pick it up for an odd man rush.
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Most of us who have followed hockey recognize a budding young superstar when we see one.
I'm not an Oiler's fan by any stretch but I am a hockey fan. McDavid is a very special young player who doesn't come along that often. As a hockey fan (rather than a fan of a particular team) you should enjoy watching him. Even if you may hate watching him play against your team you should still appreciate the skill that he brings.
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