All that needs to be said. Just look what return NJ got for Larsson. Can't even imagine what's the value of Faulk with his contract. Potential is great, but GM nowadays want proven value when they trade core players.
Proposal: Gardiner + Marner for Faulk
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All that needs to be said. Just look what return NJ got for Larsson. Can't even imagine what's the value of Faulk with his contract. Potential is great, but GM nowadays want proven value when they trade core players.
I was one of the biggest Marner supporters before drafting him and it was a great feeling when he got drafted, the kid has an exceptionally high ceiling. I was originally worried ARZ would take Marner and we'd be left with Strome (I wanted Hanifin instead of Stromer).
However, I'd still do this deal. Justin Faulk right now is a #1B-2A dman IMO and he is only 24 years old, we're very high on Zaitsev who is the same age as Faulk and has yet to play a game in the NHL. Faulk fills a big hole, a long term parter for Morgan Rielly. I believe this deal benefits Toronto but it would definitely hurt to give up my boy Marner. I've seen a lot of proposals giving away one of our young guys (Nylander/Marner) but this is the first one that I'm actually down to do if Carolina adds something small.
Maybe I'm just higher on Faulk than my fellow TML fans, but I for sure think he's a stud.
However, I'd still do this deal. Justin Faulk right now is a #1B-2A dman IMO and he is only 24 years old, we're very high on Zaitsev who is the same age as Faulk and has yet to play a game in the NHL. Faulk fills a big hole, a long term parter for Morgan Rielly. I believe this deal benefits Toronto but it would definitely hurt to give up my boy Marner. I've seen a lot of proposals giving away one of our young guys (Nylander/Marner) but this is the first one that I'm actually down to do if Carolina adds something small.
Maybe I'm just higher on Faulk than my fellow TML fans, but I for sure think he's a stud.
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wow he must be as good as them, give him a 8 year max deal if you think he's in that class.
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and the proof gardiner plays against only grinders?
How could a guy who finished with the 2nd most minutes on the team not manage to play against any decent competition?
444 Offensive zone starts, 433 defensive zone starts, I guess they must shelter him in that regard too? when he starts 49.4% of the time in the D zone, he is mightly lucky the other team always throws out the 4th liners. lawl
keep reaching. the leaf hate in you is beyond repair. im in shock you wasted what 2 hours to make that post. lawl
marner is gonna be a leaf for a long time. leafs are doing things the right way. sorry, but montreal is gonna be terrible in a couple years. good thing they are going all in now though! those 2nd rd appearances sure look nice!
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Faulk is solid. If he wasn't hit by an injury last season, I would argue that he's pretty much a #1D.
21 goal pace. 47-points pace. I think he could hits 60-points consistently.
21 goal pace. 47-points pace. I think he could hits 60-points consistently.
i mean theres no point in arguing with someone as close minded and delusional as you, think w/e you want. gardiner = oel, doughty, hedman!!
im the furthest thing from being biased, just stating facts.
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Are you ****ing kidding me? Morgan Rielly is 22 years old for **** sakes. All of a sudden, he can't win a cup being the best dman because what,he's been one of the better young dman in the league. That's some great logic
You realize he just won a world championship gold medal being the first best dman right?.This is such a ridiculous proposal. I LOVE Faulk and appreciate his abilities, but the value is simply not close.
Marner + Gardiner for Faulk would be similar to Patrick Kane + Hjalmarsson for Letang. Simply doesn't make sense.
Massive overpayment from the Leafs in this proposal.
Marner + Gardiner for Faulk would be similar to Patrick Kane + Hjalmarsson for Letang. Simply doesn't make sense.
Massive overpayment from the Leafs in this proposal.
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To reiterate, so we are all clear on what you are saying...
Marner = Patrick Kane
Gardiner = Hjalmarsson
Faulk = Letang
Time to wrap this thread up.
I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying it would be similar to a trade of that nature. Not identical.
-Small skilled forward who has potential to put up massive points.
-Top 4 defensemen who could step in to top 2 if necessary.
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-Top paring defenseman
A prospect with questionable NHL future is not in any way similar to the best offensive winger in the world.
"Small skilled forward who has potential to put up massive points" only holds true for Kane. Think of something that is accurate for Marner as well, please.
Kane and Marner are not comps.
Hammer is much better than Gardiner, and it's not remotely close.
This analogy fails miserably.
Justin Faulk
Jake Gardiner
Mitch Marner
Leafs get a top pairing defender who can run the powerplay and pair with Rielly at even strength
Hurricanes get a #2 defender with huge upside plus a Top 5 prospect league wide that projects as an elite scorer.
Thoughts?
STOP!!!!!!!!!! Leaf fans please stop drastically overrating Gardiner. He's not a #2 in any way of measuring it. He's not even a bonafide top-4 by any stretch. He's a -38 over the past two seasons while posting well below average possession stats on the worst team in the league. He isn't facing top competition, one of the lowest QoC on Toronto. He has an even worse corsi per quality ratio. He only earned the 4th most time on ice on a team that is screaming for help on the blueline. He would easily be a bottom pairing guy on a lot of teams in this league. Are these not blatantly obvious indications?
Gardiner has fooled so many leaf fans over the years with his skating and sometimes flashy plays. He has equally many inexplicable turnovers. Leaf fans have always been going on and on about Gardiner's "upside" including this post. He is 26 years old now, how much "HUGE" upside does he have left? If he ever becomes more than a 4/5 I'll be legitimately shocked. His hockey IQ will limit him forever especially at the defense position.
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I'm not trying to oversell Marner here but no way he's going anywhere. Kid has way too much potential and talent.
But to get Faulk the Leafs need to add something very juicy to Gardiner. Think JVR+Gardiner type deal but I know Leafs fans wouldn't be too happy about that.
But to get Faulk the Leafs need to add something very juicy to Gardiner. Think JVR+Gardiner type deal but I know Leafs fans wouldn't be too happy about that.
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