Proposal: Gardiner + Marner for Faulk

[Halla]

the difference between gardiner and faulk isnt marner.
leafs pass

 

[GoldiFox]

Marner for Hanifin is something I would consider. No interest in dealing Faulk with Marner being the main piece coming back. Maybe in a couple years if he proves himself.

 

[hawksrule]

the difference between gardiner and faulk isnt marner.
leafs pass

When did Gardiner get so overrated? Talk about meh.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

When did Gardiner get so overrated? Talk about meh.

Overrated? Are you new here?

 

[SNES]

Overrated? Are you new here?

Definitely overrated based on this thread.
Might want to check your condescending attitude, very cringy.

 

[Halla]

Is he though? Obviously Matthews and Laine are ahead. I think Puljujarvi is as well. Then Provorov, Nylander, Strome and maybe even Werenski are debatably ahead of Marner, and that's just counting skaters.

so he is somewhere between 3rd-8th? thats still pretty elite.
and no, no goalies even come close to top 10

 

[Halla]

When did Gardiner get so overrated? Talk about meh.

check out his advanced stats.

 

[CanadienShark]

so he is somewhere between 3rd-8th? thats still pretty elite.
and no, no goalies even come close to top 10

My only issue was that he "is" the #4 most valuable prospect. I think that's a very optimistic valuation. I'd have him closer to #7 myself. That's all kind of pointless talk though, since rank has no real bearing on his value in this trade.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Is he though? Obviously Matthews and Laine are ahead. I think Puljujarvi is as well. Then Provorov, Nylander, Strome and maybe even Werenski are debatably ahead of Marner, and that's just counting skaters.

Marner separated himself from Strome this season, Leafs choose Marner over Haninfin and Provorov (Marner also humiliated Provorov during their head to head match up in the Memorial Cup blow out) and Werenski projects to be a top four. Not sure how these players rank ahead of Marner.

Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi, sure.

 

[CanadienShark]

Marner separated himself from Strome this season, Leafs choose Marner over Haninfin and Provorov (Marner also humiliated Provorov during their head to head match up in the Memorial Cup blow out) and Werenski projects to be a top four. Not sure how these players rank ahead of Marner.

Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi, sure.

I'm not certain I'd take him over Strome. I'd definitely take Hanifin and Provorov ahead of him, and maybe even Werenski. Werenski has top pairing upside without a doubt, and #1D upside in my mind.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

check out his advanced stats.

Translation: "Check out the Emperor's new clothes"...

 

[LondonKendrick]

I'm not certain I'd take him over Strome. I'd definitely take Hanifin and Provorov ahead of him, and maybe even Werenski. Werenski has top pairing upside without a doubt, and #1D upside in my mind.

This thread gives the context for what would the GM do, Leafs clearly privilege Marner over the defensemen.

Do some deeper reading on Werenski, he projects as good at everything but low offensive ceiling blueliner.

 

[CertifiedLurker]

He could be...but he's NOT. And for all we know, he DOESN'T end up there. You're trading for a proven thing, and a damn good one at that. Newsflash, right-handed defenseman are the single most valuable asset in the game right now. #1 RHD are a premium. The cost is more than a potential top-line player and a middle pairing defenseman.

I know he's not, thats what potential implies, trading for prospects is a gamble but blue chippers are still blue chippers and hes also just won every award in his league. There is nothing that shows he's going to fall off his trajectory. Its exactly why I wouldn't do this trade. To give up a potential top 5 winger and a very solid top 4 dman and then something additional doesn't make any sense for 1 player. I don't care if he's a #1 dman its overpaying. The Leafs are in no rush and are better off holding onto those pieces to see if it works out, and if it isn't enough for the Canes then so be it. I don't think either team would be willing to do this trade anyway.

 

[glenbuis]

as a neutral habs fan i wouldnt be giving marner in any deals. i hate to say it because leaf fans will smile but that kid is kane 2.0 and not evander either.

 

[Marlander93]

LOL no

 

[gamer1035]

Take out Gardiner and the leafs still say no

 

[Legend123]

no from hurricanes. You dont trade a top pairing Dman for that package. Gardiner is top4 D whereas Marner is a prospect. Marner makes it more attractive but Gardiner as the main piece is absolutely horrid for Faulk. Canes pass

 

[major major]

Leafs run away with it. Canes refuse.

I don't think enough folks get it but a young top tier D man is worth significantly more than a #5ish prospect. Like double.

 

[Club]

As a leaf fan i dont do it. Marner will be more valuable than Faulk and Gardiner is just icing on the cake.

Agreed.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

faulk is a young no.1 dman on a great contract lol at some of the comments in this thread

 

[NotYou]

Looks okay for the canes. However I could see them only accepting a center as the main piece for faulk which would make this doa. Probably better for them to wait to see how Hanifin develops before trading faulk.

Its a bad move for the leafs. Rielly is promising enough that they shouldn't trade for a #1 dman given the cost. It is the type of value needed to get faulk which is why its really unlikely to ever happen.

 

[DJN21]

Bad for canes

 

[major major]

Its a bad move for the leafs. Rielly is promising enough that they shouldn't trade for a #1 dman given the cost.

Yes they should. Maybe not this year, but they're not likely to get far with only Rielly as a top tier D-man (if he becomes that).

 

[major major]

Marner for Faulk would be closer to straight up equal value if Marner comes into the league and establishes himself as a 75 pt type of player.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

I would go Gardiner and a 1st > Faulk ... Leafs need Mitch for the cup