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Peak McDavid is a better player. Crosby is great but his generational talent and ability is a tier below. He's in the discount gen talent club with like Jagr etc.
Out of curiosity, I looked up Crosby's performance in game 7's. Let me know if I missed any, but I think he's played in seven:
Crosby's game 7 record is a mixed bag. In terms of the team's record, Pittsburgh went 5-2. He had one incredible game (2009). He had a couple of other games where he was held to one point, but those were on the series-winning goals. He had a couple of games where he played well, but was held scoreless. He had two "bad" games - 2010 where his dumb penalty gave the Habs a very early lead, and then 2009 vs Detroit when he was injured. Overall I'd say Crosby's output in game 7's is solid, but underwhelming for someone who's in contention for #5 all-time.
- 2009 vs Washington - huge game. Best player on either team. Scored two goals and a primary assist. Led his team in defensive zone starts (both 5v5 and overall).
- 2009 vs Detroit (SCF) - Crosby actually missed half the game due to injury (and was held scoreless in just under 10 minutes of ice time). Pittsburgh won thanks to Max Talbot's two goals.
- 2010 vs Montreal - bad game. Crosby was held scoreless. He also took a dumb penalty ten seconds into the game, on which the Habs scored. They never relinquished the lead.
- 2014 vs Rangers - held scoreless for the third game 7 in a row. He played well, but Lundqvist had one of the best games of his career.
- 2016 vs Tampa Bay - scoreless for the 4th game 7 in a row. Similar comment as 2014 - he played well (generated a ton of shots, and the corsi-type data shows that the Pens dominated possession when he was on the ice). Bryan Rust scored both of Pittsburgh's goals.
- 2017 vs Washington - secondary assist on the game winning goal. Ironically I don't think he played any better than in 2014 or 2016, just that he had (somewhat) better luck.
- 2017 vs Ottawa - primary assist on the OT winner. Played almost 27 minutes and (once again) looks great according to the corsi-type data.
FOUR SCF finals isn’t enough of a sample size? Get out of here LOL. And as far as age goes, literally only peak/prime years (20-29).
There’s no excuses, Crosby has been very subpar (for his calibre of player) in cup finals.
2017 playoffs: Crosby 24 gp 8+19 = 27 +4Holy Recency Bias, Batman! A whole lot of people either have forgotten 2017 or perhaps they were not old enough to watch those playoffs but somehow figured out how to write comments on the internet in 2024.
Crosby played on better teams yea. How is that relevantHow many cups does McDavid have vs Crosby "at the same age" LOLOL
Crosby had 1. McDavid 0 or 1 depending on the result in monday.How many cups does McDavid have vs Crosby "at the same age" LOLOL
FOUR SCF finals isn’t enough of a sample size? Get out of here LOL. And as far as age goes, literally only peak/prime years (20-29).
There’s no excuses, Crosby has been very subpar (for his calibre of player) in cup finals.
But unfortunately he's never been as good as 97 in the playoffsCrosby won three cups and 2 CS trophies.
09 he was pretty greatBut unfortunately he's never been as good as 97 in the playoffs
He was great in 2009?09 he was pretty great
He won two CS trophies too
Yeah, that's bullshit.Truth is, Crosby was not he best player on the team in any of his three cup wins.
09 he was pretty great
He won two CS trophies too
2017 playoffs: Crosby 24 gp 8+19 = 27 +4
2024 playoffs: McDavid 24gp 8+34 = 42 +12
People are old enough to remember... Crosby never dominated playoffs quite like McDavid has in the last few years.
You tell not to stat watch and then cite Cups - surely a stat that's less reflective of individual performance than any other conceivable stat.Your Statwatching skills are truly Elite, again, I prefer game watching. I'm taking absolutely nothing away from McDavid but where are the Cups that he has led his team to if he is so great? Check that stat.
You tell not to stat watch and then cite Cups - surely a stat that's less reflective of individual performance than any other conceivable stat.
Watch the handshake line in 2009. When Babs shook Sid's hand at the end the Wings line he said "great leadership" while looking straight at him. That, from one of the worst losers and most miserable humans in hockey after losing one of the greatest final games in NHL history. You guys are comical. Very "subpar"? Yeah. Right.FOUR SCF finals isn’t enough of a sample size? Get out of here LOL. And as far as age goes, literally only peak/prime years (20-29).
There’s no excuses, Crosby has been very subpar (for his calibre of player) in cup finals.
Here's a reflective stat for you- no one in this history of hockey has "dominated the playoffs" (your words, not mine) without having his name on the cup. Any argument otherwise is just silly and/or completely disconnected with the concept of team sports.You tell not to stat watch and then cite Cups - surely a stat that's less reflective of individual performance than any other conceivable stat.
Crosby has actually hoisted the cup after a game 7 victory in a Stanley Cup final