nowhereman
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"Dozens", lmfao. Suuuure...There are dozens of players I would take over Crosby, and McDavid is definitely one of them.
"Dozens", lmfao. Suuuure...There are dozens of players I would take over Crosby, and McDavid is definitely one of them.
As of today, Crosby has a legitimate case for #5 all-time. There are several players who are in contention for that spot, but he might have a stronger case than anybody else. (I fully expect McDavid will pass him, sooner or later).
But one thing that's always bugged me about Crosby's resume is underwhelming numbers in the Stanley Cup finals. 20 points in 25 games is, frankly, disappointing for a player of his calibre. Most of the other top ~20 forwards look better (Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, Beliveau, Hull, Lafleur, Trottier, Bossy, Messier, Clarke, Mikita, Sakic, etc.) scored at a higher rate, with many of them being substantially higher. The same is true of some of his peers (even if Crosby is a better playoff performer overall - Ovechkin, Kane, Kucherov, Zetterberg, etc).
There are a few counter-arguments - 25 games is a small sample size. He was a good two-way player. And this was during a lower scoring era than today. All those points are valid - but I don't know if that explains such weak output.
Even with this weakness, Crosby is still probably the top playoff performer of the post-lockout era, and he's arguably #5 all-time (until McDavid most likely passes him). But this is a legit weakness in his resume.
DrailonCrosby had Malkin. Last night, mcdavid seemed like the only capable oiler.
He was also good defensively on top of his 4 points.
Drai looked like a pylon.
There are a few counter-arguments - 25 games is a small sample size. He was a good two-way player. And this was during a lower scoring era than today. All those points are valid - but I don't know if that explains such weak output.
ESPN would pick Matthews over both
Do you have Crosby in your top 10 players of all time?Crosby is one of those guys that gets every free pass in the book given to them. He didn’t even play half of Game 7 against Detroit during Pittsburgh’s first win and underperformed during each and every Finals appearance, but sure, let’s pretend he’s this SCF god.
For someone who gets so much hype based on a moment (The so-called Golden Goal), he sure doesn’t have them in the Finals.
Nothing that even resembles what McDavid has done the past two games.
Do you have Crosby in your top 10 players of all time?
Half of your posts seem to be you just criticizing Crosby’s career for no reason and the other half is just basically McDavid glazing.
Genuinely curious to see where you have him ranked.
Might want to re-check Howe's first 4 SCFs.As of today, Crosby has a legitimate case for #5 all-time. There are several players who are in contention for that spot, but he might have a stronger case than anybody else. (I fully expect McDavid will pass him, sooner or later).
But one thing that's always bugged me about Crosby's resume is underwhelming numbers in the Stanley Cup finals. 20 points in 25 games is, frankly, disappointing for a player of his calibre. Most of the other top ~20 forwards look better (Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, Beliveau, Hull, Lafleur, Trottier, Bossy, Messier, Clarke, Mikita, Sakic, etc.) scored at a higher rate, with many of them being substantially higher. The same is true of some of his peers (even if Crosby is a better playoff performer overall - Ovechkin, Kane, Kucherov, Zetterberg, etc).
There are a few counter-arguments - 25 games is a small sample size. He was a good two-way player. And this was during a lower scoring era than today. All those points are valid - but I don't know if that explains such weak output.
Even with this weakness, Crosby is still probably the top playoff performer of the post-lockout era, and he's arguably #5 all-time (until McDavid most likely passes him). But this is a legit weakness in his resume.
Drai is hurt to be fairCrosby had Malkin. Last night, mcdavid seemed like the only capable oiler.
He was also good defensively on top of his 4 points.
Drai looked like a pylon.
That is quite possible. Whatever the reason this series Edm has only had 1 of their stars going. Connor brown has also been great.Drai is hurt to be fair
To clarify, I was posting career totals (rather than totals from each player's first four SCF appearances - especially since several of the players I listed haven't even appeared in four finals ie Sakic, Clarke, Ovechkin, Kane, Kucherov - even Lemieux).Might want to re-check Howe's first 4 SCFs.
I'll pick McDavid for the overwhelming raw talent. But I have hard time understanding how Crosby can be overrated. Overrated compared to who?? Sid has accomplished everything, everywhere, more than once. He's a freakin' legend on and off the ice.
McDavid has been playing at a 150 points/82 games pace in the playoffs since his first run.
At the same age Crosby had 114 points in 95 playoff games, McDavid has 117 in 72.
Him without a second thought.
Fair.#6-#8.
I have plenty of reasons for criticizing Crosby’s career and they mostly revolve around the lies and embellishments that others try to peddle to prop him up further. The rest is centered around one question.
Did you know I’m utterly insane?
Crosby had a Conn Smythe worthy playoffs of his own in 2009. His campaign was better than most recent winners of the trophy.*Malkin
*Kessel
*Malkin
Over 4 SCF appearances, Crosby has produced at a 13 goal, 66 point per 82 game season pace.
Give me McDavid
With the entire world watching and with the media on his case…
Crosby scores the biggest goal of his generation. Give me 87
With the entire world watching and with the media on his case…
Crosby scores the biggest goal of his generation. Give me 87