The Kingslayer
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I would. You dont need to go a thousand miles towards the puck and jump and hit your damn goalie. You shoulder check to see if there are any opps on rushing and go towards the puck at an angle at a reduced speed.
GDT: Game 15: Avalanche @ Hurricanes - This is a GDT - 5PM
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- Apr 25, 2006
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I counted 7 players in that lineup yesterday that finished the last season in the AHL and would still be in the AHL if we had a normal team.
7 skaters out of 18
40% of that team were the Eagles.
7 skaters out of 18
40% of that team were the Eagles.
The Kingslayer
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I don't love or hate other teams...but if I were a Sens fan I'd be mad yes.
UnkleKraker
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The Kingslayer
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I think we are on our way to graduating Kaut as an NHL player. I know he hasnt gotten any points since Finland but hes been noticeable in alot of games now. He bodied someone yesterday after getting hit hard himself lol. Hes being trusted to kill penalties. Didnt like his non clear but he made up for it with a drop down shot block Guy Carbonneau style.
cinchronicity
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I've got to jump in here, not because f this post but because of the volume of them. Those who know me know that I have been a huge proponent of Frankie. He's a stone cold killer when it comes to 1 on zero situations such as shootouts. He moves well side to side. He's a goofy-glover, so shooters have to think twice about shooting 'glove side'. All that said, the one thing which kills me is his poor play behind the net. It has driven me crazy since the day he arrived. He is not very good at wrapping the puck aroud the boards (the whole damn team should learn from Carolinaa, who consistently are able to wrap the puk out of the zone at about 7 feet. off the ground.The point is that Frankie caused himself at least 50% of the pain. Watch the replay. He sure looked like he was going to just leave it - as apparently Englund screamed. Then, at the last moment, he switches to a clearance around the boards. I love Frankie, but at least half the blame is on him.
Sure winning is better than losing. But its also disappointing to see such a shitty effort from everyone. Including NHLers who stunk up the joint.
Honestly getting killed last night, like they should of, might have been a better result long term for the team.
I get the team is very beat up and fielding lots of AHLers who have no business playing in the league right now, but the team can still give effort which they didn't come close to last night.
Frank stole one which was awesome and fun to watch, still doesn't defeat the fact that I was disappointed with the rest of the team as a whole.
Avsfan1921
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You make some valid points at times even though you are all doom and gloom, but this is a ridiculous even for the most negative people.
No one was happy with their game last night. Not the fans, not the coach, not the players. But to claim that they’d be better off long term? Like this is a regular occurrence and they need to be thought some lesson? Like this isn’t the first time in like three or four years? LOL.
The team that usually dominates got dominated. They got lucky and won. If that’s a was even a semi regular occurrence then you’d have an argument, but that’s not the case and the quote above is an incredibly silly take.
In no world would getting embarrassed on the score sheet have made a difference last night, they were already embarrassed on the ice.
It wasn't a "shitty effort." I don't think anyone was half-assing it. I'd argue JTC was doing his soft, perimeter bullshit again, but even he came up big when it mattered. And just because some players were just plain bad doesn't mean they weren't trying. They're just bad players.
That's just a team that has no depth to speak of getting caved in by one of the best possession teams in hockey going out of its way to clog everything up. The Avs just don't have the talent and depth to break through that kind of defensive structure effectively. And yet they still won.
I mean, come on dude, they actually WON the special teams battle. AND they won in OT. You really need to look at the big picture. Going 5-1 with a lineup full of AHLers is an absolute boon.
cinchronicity
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A game like this is not atypical for each and every Stanley Cup winner ever. The team sucks. The goalie steals a game. The team wins the President's Cup. Kuemper was simply not capable of pulling off a theft such as this. Thus far - and that is quite a caveat - both Frankie and Georgie seem far more capable of stealing a game than Kuemper or Gruby.
Bender
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It wasn't even that bad. The Hurricanes are still very much a volume shooting team... and their shot counting was generous on one end and stingy on the other for some ridiculous reason. Don't get me wrong, we didn't play well AT ALL but it's not like we spent the entire game pinned into our own end as that shot total would indicate to someone who didn't watch the game.
Put it this way, when the game is on the line and the Avs put on their 'best faceoff man' and he's 7 for 18, that's gonna tell you a lot about what kind of puck possession you've been giving up and the other team is just putting everything on net dangerous or not.
I agree with you - overall, I think the Avs deserved to lose that game but I think it's quite the opposite against the bLose on Tuesday night where they deserved to win but ended up losing, so it balances out.
There are going to be some bad performances during an 82 game season, that's just a fact of life but for a team that is missing two top 6 forwards and two top 4 d-men for them to be 9-5-1 after 15 games is pretty good.
Most people were extremely worried about the goaltending before the season started but it's held up nicely.
The Hurricanes clearly dominated the game...there isn't any other way to put it. The Avs were terrible outside of Frankie. Right now, I'm thrilled with any win. Any win gives more and more padding for when some of the issues start to bite the team... because the lack of depth, reliance on top guys, piss poor defensive coverage, and goaltending that is by far the best in the league isn't going to be sustainable longer term. Stealing games like this really help keep the team up the standings so these issues can be worked out. It is a far better situation than losing the games they don't deserve to win.
You could be right about the some of the players themselves being just shitty, but that effort level wasn't close either. Very lax, not close to a level required in the NHL. I mean last week we played the same Carolina team, with generically the same roster and looked fine. Last night was trash.
Outside last night, overall the roster as is with minor leaguers galore, has done a great job competing. The same compete they've brought other nights wasn't there last night. And that's ok, Carolina is good like you mentioned, but they should still be called out for it. Even though they lucked into a win they were bad last night outside Frank.
Personally I'm thrilled with how well we've done since the injury plague. Just need to play more like the first 5 games not like last night.
The Kingslayer
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Kuemper going to play out of his mind next game anyways so dont worry about not losing this game last night it will happen soon enough.
The Shermanator
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Kuemper will pull himself from the game 5 minutes in feigning an eye injury after letting in 3 bad goals.
Alex1234
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I'll respectfully disagree. Nobody coasted. Players certainly got tired but that's because they had to play too much, because Bednar doesn't really trust the very bottom of this roster, and that's because it's made up of mostly minor leaguers. At some point you need to give credit to the Canes for effectively slogging it up. It took a TON of energy for the Avs to even get in the attacking zone, let alone sustain anything.
I was EXTREMELY disappointed in Blidh's performance last night (all five minutes of it) and he pulled the one thing Bednar almost automatically benches players for, an offensive zone penalty. He and the rest of the fourth line got run over last night, but it wasn't lack of effort, they were just completely outclassed.
IMO what small NHL window Jayson Megna had is now gone. But it didn't help that his two wingers were like having two Aube-Kubels (neither one of whom is actually as good as NAK) and you really should never have two guys like that on the same line. Way too redundant.
AvBuff
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As frustrating as that game was to watch, I came away pretty impressed with the way the Avs "rope-a-doped" their way to an unlikely win. Look, the Avs line up was 50% SC Champs, 50% Charlestown Chiefs. And the Hurricanes were loaded for bear, and played that thing like a SCP Game 7. They clogged everything, threw haymakers from the point, Frankie dodged and stopped almost everything and ultimately the Avs stole a win.
Great goalies do that a lot. Good goalies do that sometimes. PF is pretty good. That's why they pay him - to have occasional nights like that. No, the Avs can't sustain efforts like that over the long haul, but they're not trying to. And they're not playing the Canes every night Thank God.
The Avs simply need to be good - not great - over the next 60 days until the MASH unit empties out. Last night was an example of just being good enough against a good team that was gunning for them.
Great goalies do that a lot. Good goalies do that sometimes. PF is pretty good. That's why they pay him - to have occasional nights like that. No, the Avs can't sustain efforts like that over the long haul, but they're not trying to. And they're not playing the Canes every night Thank God.
The Avs simply need to be good - not great - over the next 60 days until the MASH unit empties out. Last night was an example of just being good enough against a good team that was gunning for them.
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Bender
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That may have been EJ's worst game I've seen as an Av, or at least in a long time. He was slow getting to pucks and making really bad decisions with it all night long.
He was directly responsible for us getting pinned into our own zone on at least 2-3 different occasions by trying to do too much instead of making the simple play.
That's going to happen though when they play him as a #3 as he should be more of a 5/6 at best at this point. Playing him too much will lead to more performances like that.
We really need G and or Byram back asap and I think it shows we're going to be in the market for a depth defender at the deadline in addition to that #2c slot.
He was directly responsible for us getting pinned into our own zone on at least 2-3 different occasions by trying to do too much instead of making the simple play.
That's going to happen though when they play him as a #3 as he should be more of a 5/6 at best at this point. Playing him too much will lead to more performances like that.
We really need G and or Byram back asap and I think it shows we're going to be in the market for a depth defender at the deadline in addition to that #2c slot.
Metallo
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I would honestly pick up Jost. He knows the system already and would be a short term bandaid. Can always waive him again after.
I'll admit I really hate how Frankie handles the puck. He does that a lot where he just waits behind the net and tries to clear it along the boards, only for it to land on the opposition's stick and he has to scramble back. Georgiev is goddamn Marty Brodeur compared to him (in all seriousness, Georgiev IMO might be the best puckhandling goalie the Avs have ever had, though that bar is by no means high).
That said, I'm still pissed off as all hell that Englund didn't watch where he was going. C'mon dude...you nearly killed your own goalie. Apart from that supremely boneheaded move, I didn't think he was that bad in either game. In fact I thought he was quite good in the STL game, limited, sheltered minutes and what not.
Noooooooope Avs already tried a couple retreads with the notion that they "knew the system" and it was a goddamned disaster.
And it's a moot point. No way, no how are the Avs helping out the cap-strapped Wylde by taking two million dollars off their hands for free.
Avs9296
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Ya he was terribad. And he played a lot of shifts on his off side which didn't help things either. He was bad on the right and complete shit on the left last night.
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