GDT: GAME 12 | Sens Roam to Buffalo | Tue Nov 5th 2024, 7PM | TSN5, RDS2

[jbeck5]

Can't use sv% in wildly different scoring environments to compare goalies. Look at Quality start % and RBS (Really bad Starts) as a better indicator;

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So far, Ullmark is at .500 QS% and 2 RBS, not a good start to the year, but his history suggests he'll bounce back.

How many RBS is he on pace for?

Do we want the split to be 56/26?

So he's played 7 games...let's multiply it by 8

If he finishes there season with 56 gp, .500 opposition and 16 RBS would it not make sense to say you expected Anderson which was generally.500-.600 opposition and 5-7 RBS per year average after the full year.

 

[Micklebot]

How many RBS is he on pace for?

Do we want the split to be 56/26?

So he's played 7 games...let's multiply it by 8

If he finishes there season with 56 gp, .500 opposition and 16 RBS would it not make sense to say you expected Anderson which was generally.500-.600 opposition and 5-7 RBS per year average after the full year.

Small samples with rare events are a bad combo, far too early to be prorating for Ullmark, for reference , his career high in RBS is 6, and career low (not including this season) for QS% is .513. my point was to show Anderson clearly had bad games whether you remember or not, and for that matter, bad seasons, while with us.

 

[jbeck5]

Small samples with rare events are a bad combo, far too early to be prorating for Ullmark, for reference , his career high in RBS is 6, and career low (not including this season) for QS% is .513. my point was to show Anderson clearly had bad games whether you remember or not, and for that matter, bad seasons, while with us.

Yes, I didn't say he had none. I'm just saying his ratio was a lot better than the ratio were getting from ullmark to date.

But I've also said I'm patient with him because his past has given him the benefit of the doubt.

I'll revisit this around Christmas or the new year. See if he can rebound and post great numbers for stretches.

 

[Emrasie]

What i keep from this game? Brady annoys me.
It's easy to play against the Sens:
Big hit on Tim, Brady not happy, Brady wants to fight, Brady is out and the team is on PK. (So 0-1 few seconds later).
He is not helping the team at all and acting stupid + is really bad on D, the 2nd goal against is for him.
This is the captain.

 

[Micklebot]

Yes, I didn't say he had none. I'm just saying his ratio was a lot better than the ratio were getting from ullmark to date.

But I've also said I'm patient with him because his past has given him the benefit of the doubt.

I'll revisit this around Christmas or the new year. See if he can rebound and post great numbers for stretches.

Again, small samples. The ratio is meaningless when one bad game just doubled his numbers. I also don't think Forsberg will finish with a third of his games being shutouts.

Anderson definitely was known for having some stinkers, the 11 RBS he had in 18/19 lead the league, the 10 he had in 13/14 was 4th in the league.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

What i keep from this game? Brady annoys me.
It's easy to play against the Sens:
Big hit on Tim, Brady not happy, Brady wants to fight, Brady is out and the team is on PK. (So 0-1 few seconds later).
He is not helping the team at all and acting stupid + is really bad on D, the 2nd goal against is for him.
This is the captain.

To his credit, it was a garbage call that was not called correctly according to the rules, but I do agree he should have let it go regardless.

 

[LiseL]

You go with Forsberg on Thursday

And he'll win because they're playing at home where they play better.

Ullmark has played 2 home games: won both (Florida, Blues). All of his other games were on the road. Almost all of Forsey's wins are at home with one road game win against Utah.

If Forsey wins tomorrow, it'll be tempting to put him in the Boston game but will they do that to Ullmark?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

And he'll win because they're playing at home where they play better.

Ullmark has played 2 home games: won both (Florida, Blues). All of his other games were on the road. Almost all of Forsey's wins are at home with one road game win against Utah.

If Forsey wins tomorrow, it'll be tempting to put him in the Boston game but will they do that to Ullmark?

I think it's a given they go with Ulmark against the Bruins.

I understand he's the #1 guy but you go with the goalie that gives you the best chance to win and right now it's Forsberg. We don't have the luxury of being an elite team in a slump. We're trash so we need as many points as possible.

 

[SensFanInMTL]

Ugh. I had kinda forgot about Boucher to be honest. A bagel on the scoresheet through 8 games is not promising.

The fact that 3 years later that he hasn't been able to crack the team speaks volumes. Reminds me of Matt Puempel who I was extremely high on. Took him 3 years and bounced back and forth in the AHL and NHL and ultimately never reached his potential sadly. Puempel at least put up decent numbers in the A. Boucher however is next level not good.

 

[jbeck5]

Again, small samples. The ratio is meaningless when one bad game just doubled his numbers. I also don't think Forsberg will finish with a third of his games being shutouts.

Anderson definitely was known for having some stinkers, the 11 RBS he had in 18/19 lead the league, the 10 he had in 13/14 was 4th in the league.

Fine, then go with Hasek who I also mentioned lol.

40 year old Hasek was better which is sad.

I remember bad goals on lalime. Don't really remember him getting blasted for 5-6 goals very often.

 

[Micklebot]

Fine, then go with Hasek who I also mentioned lol.

40 year old Hasek was better which is sad.

I remember bad goals on lalime. Don't really remember him getting blasted for 5-6 goals very often.

Ok, sure, the all time greatest goalie who finished the season 2nd oa in sv% had very few if any bad games while here that one season

 

[jbeck5]

Ok, sure, the all time greatest goalie who finished the season 2nd oa in sv% had very few if any bad games while here that one season

Thank you!

 

[bicboi64]

To his credit, it was a garbage call that was not called correctly according to the rules, but I do agree he should have let it go regardless.

I hope Green can help Tkaptain understand that we're going to have to deal with shite reffing come playoff time, but he can't lose his cool make himself a non-factor

 

[Hale The Villain]

To his credit, it was a garbage call that was not called correctly according to the rules, but I do agree he should have let it go regardless.

It's extremely annoying when the instigator is called after two players willingly drop their gloves.

The whole idea behind the rule is to prevent players from getting jumped and forced to fight.

Seems like the Sens get the consistently screwed by the instigator penalty being improperly applied.

 

[Micklebot]

It's extremely annoying when the instigator is called after two players willingly drop their gloves.

The whole idea behind the rule is to prevent players from getting jumped and forced to fight.

Seems like the Sens get the consistently screwed by the instigator penalty being improperly applied.

They technically didn't call an instigator, they gave him two for unsportsmanlike (meaning he didn't get a 10 min misconduct). The ref knew full well he didn't meet the standard for instigator so found a different way to give us 2.

I wouldn't mind if they apply it like this all the time, but to have players need to guess at how the ref is going to call it is frustrating


Edit: it was interesting hearing Green talk about it, he was saying things like fighting isn't against the rules in this league, and both guys agreed to fight.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I hope Green can help Tkaptain understand that we're going to have to deal with shite reffing come playoff time, but he can't lose his cool make himself a non-factor

I don't disagree, but I will still go to bat that the call wasn't even remotely reasonable. It was 100% shit and did not warrant that penalty at all.

It's extremely annoying when the instigator is called after two players willingly drop their gloves.

The whole idea behind the rule is to prevent players from getting jumped and forced to fight.

Seems like the Sens get the consistently screwed by the instigator penalty being improperly applied.

100%. Total crock of shit that call was and really ended up swinging the momentum with them scoring on the PP. I get that the team needs to overcome those moments, but still frustrating to have to overcome a horse shit call like that.

They technically didn't call an instigator, they gave him two for unsportsmanlike (meaning he didn't get a 10 min misconduct). The ref knew full well he didn't meet the standard for instigator so found a different way to give us 2.

I wouldn't mind if they apply it like this all the time, but to have players need to guess at how the ref is going to call it is frustrating

Really? Jesus, that kind of makes it worse imo. Making it up on the fly basically.

 

[bicboi64]

I don't disagree, but I will still go to bat that the call wasn't even remotely reasonable. It was 100% shit and did not warrant that penalty at all.

I 100% agree with you, but what happens when the refs call something like this in the season or worse, in the playoffs where reffing becomes even more unpredictable?

Like I get giving a player like Greenway a bonecrunching hit, but if we have to worry about our captain and one of our best forwards taking themselves off the ice, it's going to suck.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I 100% agree with you, but what happens when the refs call something like this in the season or worse, in the playoffs where reffing becomes even more unpredictable?

Like I get giving a player like Greenway a bonecrunching hit, but if we have to worry about our captain and one of our best forwards taking themselves off the ice, it's going to suck.

Ya, that is where he needs to pick it up later, if he must, like Green said after the game. I think that's fair to say.

That said, I also don't want our players in general trying to avoid basically made up officiating on the fly. If they're going to step out of their lane to decide games and have these made up calls, there's not a lot you can do about it, but in this instance, there is an argument Brady put himself in a bad spot at least somewhat.

 

[Micklebot]

I 100% agree with you, but what happens when the refs call something like this in the season or worse, in the playoffs where reffing becomes even more unpredictable?

Like I get giving a player like Greenway a bonecrunching hit, but if we have to worry about our captain and one of our best forwards taking themselves off the ice, it's going to suck.

Two points,

1. Asking the team to retaliate against a big hit by throwing a big hit of your own is far easier said than done. If we could make big hits like that on call, we'd be doing it all the time.

2. Refs make bad calls all the time, they'll call a stick check a hook, a box put interference, a shove a cross-check, you wouldn't s players to stop doing any of that,

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Want to get the Sens out of rhythm or prevent them from getting in it.

Belt Stutzle with a clean hit. Brady will engage the hitter and he'll be gone for 5-15 minutes or more , not less. Good chance to get a PP for your team.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Want to get the Sens out of rhythm or prevent them from getting in it.

Belt Stutzle with a clean hit. Brady will engage the hitter and he'll be gone for 5-15 minutes or more , not less. Good chance to get a PP for your team.

I’ve thought the same thing. I think teams realize this and use this strategy. It's been effective against in the past.

 

[bicboi64]

Two points,

1. Asking the team to retaliate against a big hit by throwing a big hit of your own is far easier said than done. If we could make big hits like that on call, we'd be doing it all the time.

Throwing a hit in response is harder, but its not as though Brady has to fight or hit. He needs to show enough composure to stick to doing what will win games.

Stick to the game plan, use your strengths (scoring goals and delivering huge hits), and wait for an opportunity to get Greenway back with a hit, or just focus on winning the game.

Instantly fighting doesn't do anything to help the team, and just shows Buffalo and the rest of the team how easy it is for one of our biggest stars to become a non-factor.

 

[Micklebot]

Throwing a hit in response is harder, but its not as though Brady has to fight or hit. He needs to show enough composure to stick to doing what will win games.

Stick to the game plan, use your strengths (scoring goals and delivering huge hits), and wait for an opportunity to get Greenway back with a hit, or just focus on winning the game.

Instantly fighting doesn't do anything to help the team, and just shows Buffalo and the rest of the team how easy it is for one of our biggest stars to become a non-factor.

Well, ask the players on the bench and they'll tell you to a man they appreciate it.

It didn't work out this time, the ref decided to make a call that still has me baffled, and the guys couldn't kill the penalty (but of an unfortunate bounce with the puck sloping over the D's stick behind the net) but the reality is he can't win. He doesn't fight there and the narrative is we didn't respond when they targetted our star player, we saw that when Brady didn't fight his brother and some fans were all over him for that.

The team was flat to start the game, a fight can sometimes get the adrenaline going and turn things around, didn't pan out but it happens

 

[bicboi64]

Well, ask the players on the bench and they'll tell you to a man they appreciate it.

It didn't work out this time, the ref decided to make a call that still has me baffled, and the guys couldn't kill the penalty (but of an unfortunate bounce with the puck sloping over the D's stick behind the net) but the reality is he can't win. He doesn't fight there and the narrative is we didn't respond when they targetted our star player, we saw that when Brady didn't fight his brother and some fans were all over him for that.

The team was flat to start the game, a fight can sometimes get the adrenaline going and turn things around, didn't pan out but it happens

I'd love to ask the players on the bench what they think of the constant losing or their captain being taken out for 5 minutes and the team having to kill a penalty because our captain has poor judgement.

The bolded is a narrative you're coming up with on your own. Brady isn't in this lose lose situation where he'll get critiqued for fighting or not. We're asking him to pick and choose his moments because fighting statistically doesn't help us win any games, heck we lose more often when he's fighting. Fans want Brady to hit hard, score goals, and be a menace around the opposition's net more than these meaningless fights.

It's one thing if Brady is responding to someone doing something dirty, but he's not. He's going after opposing player delivering clean hits and just showing the rest of the league how easy it is for them to take him out of the game.

 

[Micklebot]

I'd love to ask the players on the bench what they think of the constant losing or their captain being taken out for 5 minutes and the team having to kill a penalty because our captain has poor judgement.

The bolded is a narrative you're coming up with on your own. Brady isn't in this lose lose situation where he'll get critiqued for fighting or not. We're asking him to pick and choose his moments because fighting statistically doesn't help us win any games, heck we lose more often when he's fighting. Fans want Brady to hit hard, score goals, and be a menace around the opposition's net more than these meaningless fights.

It's one thing if Brady is responding to someone doing something dirty, but he's not. He's going after opposing player delivering clean hits and just showing the rest of the league how easy it is for them to take him out of the game.

Johnson: It helps the locker room when teammates stick up for each other

NHL analyst Mike Johnson on the Islanders roster and Lou Lamoriello, Brady Tkachuk fighting after clean hits, giving up early and late goals, who starts in net tonight and Barry Trotz threatening a rebuild in Nasvhille.

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