GDT: Game 11 - Blackhawks @ Predators 7:00 PM (CT) NBCSCH - Spooktacular

[Muffinalt]

What is the proper context that everyone else is missing?

Jesus christ im not saying you guys are missing the context. I literally meant its like 30% taken from a 100% converstation. In other words the surrounding context is missing.

 

[Drumman44]

So if the Hawks manage to beat the Preds tonight, does that officially solidify:

1. Lehner is the starter
2. Seabrook as 7D

 

[Hawkaholic]

Do you think he makes the comment about not being tired if he wasn't scratched? If no, then he's criticizing the decision because we're not talking about this otherwise

I'm assuming he was asked if he thinks he needs rest. Why else would he say that? Even still, he is stating a fact about his conditioning, how is that criticizing the coach?

 

[Kevin Musto]

If that's what he's doing, he needs to be immediately banished from the team. This isn't the Chicago Seabrooks, he doesn't get to call the shots here.

Hopefully that's not what he's doing, and I hope he doesn't do anything in this adverse situation that will tarnish his legacy. (because being scratched right now, or eventually moved, does nothing to hurt his Blackhawks legacy. His reaction to it could.)

I would hope that's not what he's doing. That would make him a locker room cancer. If JC feels that happening, he's gotta strip the "A" and take the power away from Seabs.

 

[x Tame Impala]

It's one comment saying he thinks he can still play. I really don't think it's a big deal. I generally downplay anything athletes say in general, for what it's worth and I think fans look into it way too much.

Seems like I'm alone in this viewpoint though.

I’m right there with you. It’s rational for him to be upset. There’s a reason hockey players are so robotic in interviews...it’s because every single word gets automatically over-analyzed.

Maybe this consecutive scratch will help him in the long run. Regardless, I’m not looking too far into his quote. Not enough info or context for this “does this mean we can trade him now!?!?!?” nonsense.

 

[Section88]

I certainly see this as a case. Everyone wants him to sit (justifiably) and is frustrated with him, so any sign of perceived dickishness is blown out of proportion and any hint of a suggestion that he can be moved (waive NMC) is glommed onto buy fans.

But because he added "for someone" is somehow trying to alienate the coach is a huge reach in my book.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you definitely have a point. Ill just save my breath until theres more said on it.

 

[emeyezee]

Also, I hate the preds and their garbage fans.

 

[Hawkaholic]

His comments about him still being able to play, and not needing rest, and guys writing about his age and speed, and that he still has a lot to offer in the league, and can still be a good player for somebody... all implies criticism about the decision... not sure how it can be taken any other way.

Again, I don't know the tone of how any of it was said, just the text, but the text is not a good look for him at all.

He is not happy he isn't playing, and still thinks he can play. He was asked about those specific things by the media. Of course he is going to stick up for himself when asked, I didn't see him mention the coach once.

 

[hawksrule]

Jesus christ im not saying you guys are missing the context. I literally meant its like 30% taken from a 100% converstation. In other words the surrounding context is missing.

How do you know this?

 

[Hawkaholic]

If you don't see his comments as critical of the decision, then I don't know what else to say to you other than to clean your glasses. The argument that "he's not trashing the coach, he's just acting like a big entitled baby" doesn't really move the needle.

How is he acting like an entitled baby? He is simply saying that he thinks he can still contribute and that the media bashing him is what pisses him off.

 

[ChiHawks10]

He is not happy he isn't playing, and still thinks he can play. He was asked about those specific things by the media. Of course he is going to stick up for himself when asked, I didn't see him mention the coach once.

Come on, don't be purposely obtuse. You don't have to specifically say "I think the coach is wrong." His words imply it. Particularly the "I can be a good player for somebody still." portion.

I'm not saying he's trying to turn the locker room against the coach. That's tin-foil hat shit. I'm just saying he is 100% criticizing the decision by Colliton to sit him, by using the words he did.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

He is not happy he isn't playing, and still thinks he can play. He was asked about those specific things by the media. Of course he is going to stick up for himself when asked, I didn't see him mention the coach once.

just stop... if you think seabs isnt calling out this decision through the media then idk if theres anything more to say...

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Of course he's throwing the coach under the bus. When a player criticizes a decision rather than taking it like a good soldier, it's implicit that the criticism is directed towards the person who made it.

Has any player who was scratched ever said I agree with the coaches decision to sit me? That's why I don't make a big deal of these quotes. Whoever sits, be it Perlini, Seabs, Toews, et all is going to be upset about it, weather they say anything or not. Show me an example.

In the absence of the audio really changing the tone of what it's my head, what Seabs said reads to me as a guy who thinks he can still play and wants to play. Nothing more. Otherwise I think fans are reading into what they want to.

 

[Kurtosis]

So if the Hawks manage to beat the Preds tonight, does that officially solidify:

1. Lehner is the starter
2. Seabrook as 7D

I think Lehner is pretty much the #1 at this point.

As far as your second point it certainly wouldn’t hurt.

 

[hawksrule]

How is he acting like an entitled baby? He is simply saying that he thinks he can still contribute and that the media bashing him is what pisses him off.

Because he's playing like shit, lashing out at the media as if everyone else is blind, and saying he has a lot to contribute "somewhere". You think that's the same as if he had taken it like a grownup and said he has a lot left to contribute to the Blackhawks, and looked forward to working hard, proving doubters wrong, and getting back in the lineup?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

How is he acting like an entitled baby? He is simply saying that he thinks he can still contribute and that the media bashing him is what pisses him off.

because he's been dogshit on ice for three years and has only sat 3 times during that span and still complains to the media...he should say i need to be better and thats that...there was zero chance he wasnt getting back in

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Come on, don't be purposely obtuse. You don't have to specifically say "I think the coach is wrong." His words imply it. Particularly the "I can be a good player for somebody still." portion.

I'm not saying he's trying to turn the locker room against the coach. That's tin-foil hat ****. I'm just saying he is 100% criticizing the decision by Colliton to sit him, by using the words he did.

What player has said or implied that the coach is right for sitting them?

 

[Hawkaholic]

just stop... if you think seabs isnt calling out this decision through the media then idk if theres anything more to say...

I don't think he is saying I am better than the guys playing, I think he is just telling the media that he can still play in this league, unlike the articles they are writing suggest otherwise.

He's an upset healthy scratch, that's all this is.

 

[ChiHawks10]

What player has said or implied that the coach is right for sitting them?

None, but how often will you hear a player say what Seabs said in those quotes? Most are going to say something along the lines of "I respect the decision, I can be better, and I'm looking forward to working towards that, and getting back in the lineup."

 

[Hawkaholic]

because he's been dog**** on ice for three years and has only sat 3 times during that span and still complains to the media...he should say i need to be better and thats that...there was zero chance he wasnt getting back in

I really don't think he doesn't think he needs to be better. This was a reaction to the media calling him out, not the coach scratching him. He called out the media, not his coach.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I don't think he is saying I am better than the guys playing, I think he is just telling the media that he can still play in this league, unlike the articles they are writing suggest otherwise.

He's an upset healthy scratch, that's all this is.

well someone has to sit for him to play, no? and i hope some dumb gm buys that he can still play so he'll waive his nmc...

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I really don't think he doesn't think he needs to be better. This was a reaction to the media calling him out, not the coach scratching him. He called out the media, not his coach.

the media called him out? what?

 

[Muffinalt]

How do you know this?

Surely this isn't the first media quote that you see. Do we need any more examples in today's world to understand how Twitter quotes can be misleading?

The literal question isn't even written out. Its literally impossible to transcribe the whole conversation and present it on Twitter.

I'm not saying that's for sure what's happening but it's damn fine to acknowledge there might be missing parts of information before proclaiming what's happening with certainty.

Why the hell do I have to even explain this in 2019?

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Because he's playing like ****, lashing out at the media as if everyone else is blind, and saying he has a lot to contribute "somewhere". You think that's the same as if he had taken it like a grownup and said he has a lot left to contribute to the Blackhawks, and looked forward to working hard, proving doubters wrong, and getting back in the lineup?

Lashing out? Again, unless you have audio that I'm unaware of, I'm not sure how you get there. Because he disagrees with media articles about him being old and slow?

 

[Hawkaholic]

Because he's playing like ****, lashing out at the media as if everyone else is blind, and saying he has a lot to contribute "somewhere". You think that's the same as if he had taken it like a grownup and said he has a lot left to contribute to the Blackhawks, and looked forward to working hard, proving doubters wrong, and getting back in the lineup?

I really don't think it matters. We all know how those guys feel and just because a guy lies to the media doesn't change anything behind the scenes.