GDT: Game 11 - Blackhawks @ Predators 7:00 PM (CT) NBCSCH - Spooktacular

[RememberTheRoar]

I will also say this - the quote is in words - we know how different tone is when someone is speaking..if he is saying this with an attitude/pitch in his voice then yeah he comes off as a dick, but if he is saying this more somber and soft then you know he is hurt and upset and likely is just reacting like any other spoiled millionaire athlete would when their pride takes a hit - not defending it at all, but I always just hate quotes..need to hear the audio as well before the pitchforks come out..

Good point, it could be a "they obviously don't want me" sad tone

 

[Toews2Bickell]

If he had said "It's disappointing, and I feel like I have a lot of good hockey left in me, and I look forward to working hard and getting back in the lineup", it would have been fine. His quote had a very different tone.

this quote comes off as he's taking it personal like how is this guy gonna come in and bench me...thing is seabrook ego and pride isnt above the org winning and if he cant realize that then take the "A" off his sweater and tell him be a good teammate or go sit at home while we work out a trade

 

[ColdSteel2]

I think thats pretty surface level. Maybe just because we've been waiting for this for a while and now that its here he's being a ***** about it we're all unnecessarily angry. But to me right now it seems like a veteran respected guy who cant play anymore trying to use his pull in the lockerroom to alienate the coach.

Bench anyone who has a problem with it. They can have a party together up in the press box.

 

[AmericanDream]

Good point, it could be a "they obviously don't want me" sad tone

exactly, and the "play for someone" is just typical "I think I am still good enough to play in this league regardless of being scratched"..I don't think for one second he wants out or is saying it like teams would line up for him...just athlete speak again that we have seen plenty before..

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Bench anyone who has a problem with it. They can have a party together up in the press box.

section 320 is stocked with kfc and portillos

 

[hawksrule]

this quote comes off as he's taking it personal like how is this guy gonna come in and bench me...thing is seabrook ego and pride isnt above the org winning and if he cant realize that then take the "A" off his sweater and tell him be a good teammate or go sit at home while we work out a trade

And for him to chastise the media for calling out his lack of speed is a very losing argument for him.

 

[Muffinalt]

I don't see a guy trying to turn the lockeroom against the coach. Entitlement.. I guess maybe, but it's not even that.

I just see a guy whos desperately holding onto the belief that he is still good and that he isn't on the cusp of being out of the nhl. Denial more like than entitlement. Or severe anxiety that it actually might be true. If so, it's only a matter of time before reality sets in.

I feel bad for Seabs coz hes a warrior and is used to being good and and integral part of the team for a long time. It's always difficult for pro athletes to accept their decline, they barely know anything besides their pro sports careers. I'd be scared to death in their position. Plus it doesn't help that for the last two years all the fans and media have been crapping on him hard, I'm sure he can't escape that.

I'm not providing excuses and as a long time A he really should know better, but I do understand him and that it really is a difficult situation.

Still the way to go, good on JC.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Yeah, I never really doubted the whole "great teammate" thing surrounding him, and im sure he was at one point but... this comes off as someone who wants to turn the locker room against the coach.

If that's what he's doing, he needs to be immediately banished from the team. This isn't the Chicago Seabrooks, he doesn't get to call the shots here.

Hopefully that's not what he's doing, and I hope he doesn't do anything in this adverse situation that will tarnish his legacy. (because being scratched right now, or eventually moved, does nothing to hurt his Blackhawks legacy. His reaction to it could.)

 

[Hawkaholic]

It's one comment saying he thinks he can still play. I really don't think it's a big deal. I generally downplay anything athletes say in general, for what it's worth and I think fans look into it way too much.

Seems like I'm alone in this viewpoint though.

I'm with ya, he's upset he isn't playing and thinks he can still play. I fail to see any entitlement in that. He isn't throwing his coach under the bus, stop.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Can he simply retire and void the rest of the deal, and wipe out his cap hit?

I believe so, yes. That's what Buff has been expected to do for a bit now, though he is still apparently deciding whether to go through with it or not. And I do think Seabs' contract is also able to have that be done to it.

Big thing is him forgoing all that cash, but if he really loved this team, I guess upper management could promise that he'd be given a cozy spot in their ranks for years (potentially decades) and will be able to stay with the organization for as long as he wants.

I still doubt he does it, but who knows. Like I said in my previous comment, the guy is an emotional dude. I don't know if he wants to have this narrative of being scratched and being a liability continue for another 5 years.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I'm with ya, he's upset he isn't playing and still thinks he can still play. I fail to see any entitlement in that. He isn't throwing his coach under the bus, stop.

let him go play for your boy Q in florida

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yeah, that quote is not a good look for Seabs. Would need to hear the tone of it, obviously, to weigh in more, but that's not going to go over well.

 

[hawksrule]

I'm with ya, he's upset he isn't playing and still thinks he can still play. I fail to see any entitlement in that. He isn't throwing his coach under the bus, stop.

Of course he's throwing the coach under the bus. When a player criticizes a decision rather than taking it like a good soldier, it's implicit that the criticism is directed towards the person who made it.

 

[Hawkaholic]

let him go play for your boy Q in florida

lol

 

[Muffinalt]

I'm with ya, he's upset he isn't playing and thinks he can still play. I fail to see any entitlement in that. He isn't throwing his coach under the bus, stop.

Yeah that really is overreaction to a single quote taken out of context.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Yeah that really is overreaction to a single quote taken out of context.

how is it being taken out of context...he's been scratched 3 times in how many years and he can't keep it out of the media...great teammate

 

[hawksrule]

Yeah that really is overreaction to a single quote taken out of context.

What is the proper context that everyone else is missing?

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

If he had said "It's disappointing, and I feel like I have a lot of good hockey left in me, and I look forward to working hard and getting back in the lineup", it would have been fine. His quote had a very different tone.

Is their audio of the quote I'm unaware of? Otherwise, I'm not sure how you decipher the tone. As @AmericanDream says, the same thing could read differently.

It's the "for someone" part. Hockey players don't accidentally say that stuff, especially veterans who have done thousands of interviews and know how to handle the media.

I totally understand what you are taking issue with, "for someone". I just don't think it's a big deal, unless the tone in audio is way way different than what I imagine it to be.

I think thats pretty surface level. Maybe just because we've been waiting for this for a while and now that its here he's being a ***** about it we're all unnecessarily angry. But to me right now it seems like a veteran respected guy who cant play anymore trying to use his pull in the lockerroom to alienate the coach.

I certainly see this as a case. Everyone wants him to sit (justifiably) and is frustrated with him, so any sign of perceived dickishness is blown out of proportion and any hint of a suggestion that he can be moved (waive NMC) is glommed onto buy fans.

But because he added "for someone" is somehow trying to alienate the coach is a huge reach in my book.

 

[Styles]

I’d like to the the full video interview. Not a good look for Seabs but reading some text isn’t going to paint the full picture. I like the move of scratching him again though.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Of course he's throwing the coach under the bus. When a player criticizes a decision rather than taking it like a good soldier, it's implicit that the criticism is directed towards the person who made it.

I didn't see him criticize the decision. He simply stated that he feels good and thinks he can still contribute to the team in a positive way. It's not like he said, the coach doesn't know what he is doing by scratching me. A lot of reaching in this thread.

 

[Muffinalt]

how is it being taken out of context...he's been scratched 3 times in how many years and he can't keep it out of the media...great teammate

I meant we havent heard the whole conversation. Its just a few sentences quoted without knowing the whole conversation surrounding it. You know how these media quotes go every time...

We can speculate and all but to say definitive things likes hes undermining his coach etc is very premature.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I didn't see him criticize the decision. He simply stated that he feels good and thinks he can still contribute to the team in a positive way. It's not like he said, the coach doesn't know what he is doing by scratching me. A lot of reaching in this thread.

Do you think he makes the comment about not being tired if he wasn't scratched? If no, then he's criticizing the decision because we're not talking about this otherwise

 

[emeyezee]

I’m 100% on board with the decision to scratch him. His play is hurting our team’s chances of success.

That said, a small part of me is sad. I know this is the right thing for JC to do without hesitation, but he’s meant so much to this franchise for so long. It just hurts a little to hear these words and see this situation.

 

[hawksrule]

I didn't see him criticize the decision. He simply stated that he feels good and thinks he can still contribute to the team in a positive way. It's not like he said, the coach doesn't know what he is doing by scratching me. A lot of reaching in this thread.

If you don't see his comments as critical of the decision, then I don't know what else to say to you other than to clean your glasses. The argument that "he's not trashing the coach, he's just acting like a big entitled baby" doesn't really move the needle.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I didn't see him criticize the decision. He simply stated that he feels good and thinks he can still contribute to the team in a positive way. It's not like he said, the coach doesn't know what he is doing by scratching me. A lot of reaching in this thread.

His comments about him still being able to play, and not needing rest, and guys writing about his age and speed, and that he still has a lot to offer in the league, and can still be a good player for somebody... all implies criticism about the decision... not sure how it can be taken any other way.

Again, I don't know the tone of how any of it was said, just the text, but the text is not a good look for him at all.