Confirmed with Link: Gaborik, Delisle, Parlett to CBJ for Brassard, Dorsett, J. Moore and 6th Round Pick

[RangersFan]

He's signed until 2020. It's happening whether it's this offseason or the next.

we can only pray. it makes too much sense for the rangers to do it and that's what is scary.

 

[Championship*]

I hate to be that guy but can somebody give me a quick scouting report on Moore?

 

[haveandare]

These players that have come the last few seasons here had either Tort's or Sather's or both input on the matter. I - for one - am sick and tired of seeing the revolving door policy here, especially now that one of our best goal scores has left through that very same proverbial door for..this!

The problem with this organization is they have an owner who is incompetent when it comes to hockey.

I'm not sure I see this "revolving door" - the core of the team has been more or less the same for a long time now. Gaborik was one of our best goal scorers in past years. This year, he looked pretty bad. His return isn't that bad at all - we needed a bottom 6 center who can actually create some semblance of offense, we needed a tough bottom 6 winger who can take regular shifts and we needed a righty D man who is an upgrade over what we have on the third pairing now. Got all 3 of those things for a guy who was a year away from UFA and having a bad, bad season.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ok, supposedly, but he is a left D.

Who do we move/sit?
McD?
Staal?
MDZ?
Moore?

He can play RD.

 

[Boruto]

This alike Clowe's trade is a "Wait and See" type a thing.

 

[varanger94]

Joe Michealodean wit da Hockey Maven now Back afta dis

 

[TankLarkin]

we could have traded the assets we did for crosby and patrick kane and people on this board would throw a fit. right now i think we are a better team than we were yesterday morning and we have the cap space to resign our RFA this summer.

agree 100%.

 

[NYR Viper]

I hate to be that guy but can somebody give me a quick scouting report on Moore?

Smooth-skating, young bottom-pairing defender. Definitely in the the puck-mover category due to his puck carrying ability and skating. Was VERY raw when he was drafted, still is a bit. Probably has top-4 upside. Only 22.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

No it absolutely wasn't. So you trade a valuable asset for more pieces that don't help you get there?

Pejorative Slured.

I'm bewildered that anyone thinks this is an immediately good move without even seeing the results on the ice. How anyone can not be skeptical of this trade is questionable.

Getting rid of an overpaid lump on the log is never a bad move. Sorry.

 

[Matt4776]

You are attempting to tell everyone what the team will look like in 2-3 years?

Dorsett is 3 years younger than Prust. He was also on pace for 30 points this season. Wears an 'A' in CLB.

Brassard is a 25 year old "40-45" point center. Thinking he will max out at 50 points isn't that big of a stretch. Also taking into account the ****** team he was on isn't either unless it doesn't support your argument apparently.

Moore can play the right side. Therefore he does have a future in NY. The Rangers attempted to fill the puck-moving spot with Gilroy a few years ago. Massive fail. They have been missing someone for a long while. MDZ is not that type of player.

We've been waiting on Anisimov to hit 50 points since the year after his PPG performance in the AHL. Never happened. Isn't happening this year in Columbus despite being given top-6 ice time.

You're right. Lets take into account the team.

In Columbus, he'll get first line time, top PP time.

In New York, he'll get third line ice time, maybe second unit PP time.

Grass is always greener.

And we hear in the NHL all defenseman can play the other side. Yet, on our team, we never see it. I'll believe Moore can play RD competently when I see it.

And yes, Dorsett is on pace for 30 points. With 24 games played. I'm sorry if I'll take the known entity in Prust over him.

EDIT:

And nobody's saying Moore doesn't have value and he's useless. As arguably the main piece for a 40 goal scorer and our best player over the past four years not named Lundqvist? Weak.

 

[Gardner McKay]

You're right. He's 25.

Regardless, in today's game, offensive players are peaking younger and younger. Expecting a large increase in his output is pretty unlikely. Calling him a 40-50 point center is generous, considering he's never scored 50 points. 40-45 point center is more accurate.

Again, for a 40 goal scorer, we got a mediocre second liner/decent third liner, a good fourth liner, and a 3rd pairing defenseman with the potential to be a second (even though he'll never be one on our team).

How does this make our team better? Present or future?

I'll wait.

Oh, what makes you think Dorsett is better than Prust?

Prust has better stats than Dorsett, played perfect defense, had great speed, and played the PK perfectly.

In a year or two:

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Miller-Callahan

is our likely top six.

Clowe-??-Fast
Powe-Lindberg-Dorsett

is our likely bottom six.

Brassard will likely fill that third line center spot for a bit while Lindberg/Nieves develop. I firmly believe Nieves will be a much better fit (nevermind I think he'll just be plain better) than Brassard at that spot.

Staal-DZ
McD-G
(some combination of this top 4)
Moore/Skjei-McIlrath

will be our defense.

Don't get me wrong, it's always good to have defensive depth, but I'm not willing to trade a 40 goal scorer for someone who is going to be playing on the third pair, fourth line, and maybe third line center.

This isn't a trade for this year, and it doesn't really help us that much in the future either.

By your standards this is a steal of a trade. You are trying to explain why Brassard won't improve his production because players peak younger and younger. By logical reasoning they would also decline younger and younger which means Gaboriks time as a 40 goal scorer has come to an end and it was a smart move to get rid of Gaborik.

 

[Ail]

This alike Clowe's trade is a "Wait and See" type a thing.

It always is.

I hope I am so very wrong.

 

[Zamboner]

I find it funny how people keep projecting new additions production with increases. This is still the Rangers...

Yup. Our second line will still consist of Richards centering people he has no chemistry with. And our new wonderful 3rd line center will be saddled with some combination of Boyle/Clowe/Hagelin. This is still a one line team.

 

[Ola]

Brassard is a 25 year old "40-45" point center. Thinking he will max out at 50 points isn't that big of a stretch. Also taking into account the ****** team he was on isn't either unless it doesn't support your argument apparently.

I've not seen much of Brassard lately, not at all this season.

But from what I've seen he could max out at like Matt Cullen's level.

Did we get the player here we wanted or did we get a name/former high pick???

I have no problems giving up Gabby. But i) I would want a good player -- good hockey player -- in return and ii) I am not overly keen on us trying to fix chemistry/coaching issues with more or less lateral moves. We also have a big hole on in terms of offensiveminded right handed D. We gave up Gabby and got another Torts player in Dorsett, a center and a left D.

I mean, is Derek Brassard a better hockey player than say a Frans Nielsen if you get what I mean? Would we have traded Gabby for Nielsen, Dorsett and Moore? Or did we make this trade because we believe that Brassard has "potential"? And -- if so -- does he really have "potential"? I don't know. I am not saying that I know. But I've not been sold on him the little I've seen of him..

 

[mas0764]

Sather going with center depth. Opens money for the deal they want to give Clowe. Its a hell of a gamble, going with even more grit and less skill.

I guess for Tortorella, that's exactly what he wants.

 

[broadwayblue]

stop trying to buy out Richards.

What does that mean? He will be bought out this summer or next. It's just too expensive and cap crippling down the road not to.

 

[Ail]

Getting rid of an overpaid lump on the log is never a bad move. Sorry.

What have you done for me lately?

Clowe will magically return to form and put up 50 points next year.

Gaborik is an overpaid lump on a log and worth a mediocre return, however.

Makes sense.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Nielsen is an amazing 3C...good 2C. Cullen, same, he has actually been on fire this season.

If we got a Matt Cullen in this deal, I'm happy.

 

[Matt4776]

By your standards this is a steal of a trade. You are trying to explain why Brassard won't improve his production because players peak younger and younger. By logical reasoning they would also decline younger and younger which means Gaboriks time as a 40 goal scorer has come to an end and it was a smart move to get rid of Gaborik.

...What? Holy transitive property.

That's not what I said whatsoever.

Gaborik scored 40 goals last year. He is signed ONE more year after this.

It's not like he's 2-3 years out of his last good year (Clowe?) and is signed for four more years. He has one year left on his deal, and we all resigned to the fact that he was gone at the draft anyway. This is about the rest of this year.

Wow. Really twisting my words there.

 

[Richter Scale]

Which is my point.

The guy is a 3C, Third-line-center.

Gaborik for:

Third-line-center
Prust^2
Another defense project

...

....I guess it all depends on perspective. You are losing a 40 goal scorer (who wasn't scoring this year - but for the sake of argument lets say he gets back there next year), who is a UFA after next year and will likely have to be moved anyway at that point in order to maintain our core. You are losing a 7.5 mil cap hit on one player that forces this team into being top heavy, having zero depth, and dealing with significant roster holes. And you're losing a guy, who when he isn't putting the puck in the net, isn't really adding anything offensively or creating offense on his own; completely reliant on the players around him (yes, even during his 40 goal seasons).

In exchange for those things you get:

- A 3C that is closer to a 2C than anything (and in fact would be on many teams).
- You're getting a new version of Prust with slightly better offensive skill (better than Prust in my mind, but that's debatable I suppose).
- You're getting a very solid 6th d man who is a significant upgrade from who we have int hat slot right now. And is a guy who, at 22 y/o, has the potential upside to be a top 4.
- And you're getting the ability to re-sign a power forward, gritty player who can and probably would play top 6 on almost any team in the league; a guy that will stick up for his teammates, along with Dorsett fix the "soft" problem this team has, and actually has offensive skill to boot.
- No longer a top heavy team that can be shut down by one defensive pairing, and pretty damn good depth.
- The combination of Clowe, Brassard, Dorsett easily gets 40 goals per 82.
- A team that will be very tough to play against in the playoffs next year.
- Oh, and you get 1.7 extra cap space and a lot of flexibility moving forward.


Yea, all that sucks. Awful trade.

 

[ImIdaho]

I'm not sure I see this "revolving door" - the core of the team has been more or less the same for a long time now. Gaborik was one of our best goal scorers in past years. This year, he looked pretty bad. His return isn't that bad at all - we needed a bottom 6 center who can actually create some semblance of offense, we needed a tough bottom 6 winger who can take regular shifts and we needed a righty D man who is an upgrade over what we have on the third pairing now. Got all 3 of those things for a guy who was a year away from UFA and having a bad, bad season.

Prust, Fedotenko, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Parenteau, Lisin, Gomez, Drury, Naslund, Jagr, and now Gaborik. With this team, there has only been one true legitimate constant and that's Lundqvist.

And if this **** fails..Torts - in all likelihood - keeps his job and we get:



Only addition with this team is by subtraction with Richards. Columbus gets a threat in Gaborik and still get 3 mother****ing 1st round picks!

 

[NYR Viper]

We've been waiting on Anisimov to hit 50 points since the year after his PPG performance in the AHL. Never happened. Isn't happening this year in Columbus despite being given top-6 ice time.

You're right. Lets take into account the team.

In Columbus, he'll get first line time, top PP time.

In New York, he'll get third line ice time, maybe second unit PP time.

Grass is always greener.

And we hear in the NHL all defenseman can play the other side. Yet, on our team, we never see it. I'll believe Moore can play RD competently when I see it.

And yes, Dorsett is on pace for 30 points. With 24 games played. I'm sorry if I'll take the known entity in Prust over him.

Brassard is 2nd on their team in points getting 2nd/3rd line ice time. 2nd.

I get it if you don't know Dorsett as a player. You will have to wait and see if you don't trust me.

Moore played RD in Columbus.

We are obviously not going to agree here.

 

[Zamboner]

Hope Gaborik can break out of his funk for the next three weeks or so.

I promise you, he will.

 

[Ail]

I guess for Tortorella, that's exactly what he wants.

Yup.

This is now officially through and through a Tortorella kind of hockey club. No more excuses from him.

 

[Kane One]

I haven't been on HF since before the trade so pardon me if this has been asked, even though it probably was already. Am I the only one who thinks we didn't get enough or at least a defenseman?