Speculation: Friedman: "At the deadline I heard that several Jets players asked to be traded"

[GumbyCan2]

I am pretty sure Toninato is thrilled to be thriving in his role here, finally sticking in the NHL. Doubt he is bothered much by the locker-room cancers. Hopefully new head coach will "clean up the riff and send the raff sailing away", as needed.
Also, glad to Samberg's progressive development showing he is ready, now, this new season take on a full role in the Jets lineup. He showed absolute stellar smarts, control, effort and reads, always in the right position and right side of the puck. He showed he xan actuallybox opponents out of goalies wsy and keep them to the side. Haven't seen that since 4 or 5 years ago when Buff was giving her at his best.
Hope we get a new coach that willlet him play as big a role as he shows worthy of, irregardless of his lack of NHL experience.
Same GM and management team so I won't believe change in the aura and mantra and style of operations is coming too fast, until we actually see it!

 

[jetsv2]

I'm thinking Helle definitely wants out..

Elliotte Friedman said on the Kenny and Renny podcast yesterday that he is hearing that as long as the Jets are committed to chasing a cup that Hellebuyck is willing to stay here.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Buff quits, Maurice quits, this is not good.Problems allowed to fester too long by either Chevy or Chipman or both but we are in trouble right now and its very sad.

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We need a hard ass coach that won't put up with defensive play like Scheifele's , its absolutely the time for this to happen.

And won't listen to Chevy or Simmons or whatever minion behind the scenes control the coaches use of his roster and warranted icetime, etc. Dave Lowry showed minimal change always resorted back to the "same old mold". As far as coaching goes, I saw and pointed out Huddy's negative defensive coaching, after Trouba wanting out!
Could a new head coach with his (or HER own choice of Asssistants) right this ship without " chemo-zapping the cancer(s)" out of the locker room? Hope so. Likely need to address the locker issues as much as yhe style and systems of play on the ice. Change is needed definitely, both accounts.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Actually a young top pairing RD is pretty high on our list of needs. We have a surplus of LD.

I guess we may also need a very good center if Mark is also on his way out.

I like Mercer but I doubt the org is really interested in moving Helle for top 6 winger prospects as we are set there.

Boy oh boy. If a top-rated goalie like Helle boy can only garner a Mercer and Blackwood from the lowly Devils, than...bye bye.
Helle should warrant 1/2 of NJD top 6 plus a high goalie prospect ( Dawes the thing close) and a high draft pick!! Heck, jets should throw in Scheifele and only ask for Sharangovich!!

 

[JonS]

Feels much like the wild situation here a few years ago before Guerin arrived. Wish the jets would have found their Guerin before a new coach.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Honestly though, if this is a rebuild why wouldn’t we deal Hellebucyk now when he’s in his prime and decent value? He’s not going to be in his prime when the new core is ready to contend. A Helle trade could be a great kickstart to a rebuild.

IF it is a rebuild, absolutely.
We could make trades that improve the team, or maintain what we have. If we get fair value and better fits, we could be better and if the overall attitude is better, then we are even stronger. Not saying we would succeed in that, but it is possible. More likely a mix of current players and futures. So a bit of a step back, but not necessarily a full rebuild.

Deciding on Helle is so difficult because good goalies are so hard to acquire.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Actually a young top pairing RD is pretty high on our list of needs. We have a surplus of LD.

I guess we may also need a very good center if Mark is also on his way out.

I like Mercer but I doubt the org is really interested in moving Helle for top 6 winger prospects as we are set there.

I agree wants would be 1RD and 2C.

Mercer is still listed as a C. He is not exactly a prospect anymore, having played a full 82 game season at 20 YO. If he is not a C then he is a RW, which we still need. We would need an add. Not sure what that would be. Blackwood as a reclamation project? Daws as a future? Pick? More?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Luckily EF just said that Helle is ok as long as the plan is to continue to try on contend so I don't think we move him but if we did I'd be looking at your 2022 1st + Mercer. With your 1st we would be hoping to draft Jiricek to address the RD issue and Mercer address our lack of Right shot wingers.

To me that would be the trade. Maybe the Jets add something else to make it work but that would be my ask. Helle on the Devils... I can see the marketing department drooling already.

I already posted somewhere that I think that is too much to ask - but if we could agree on a good add it might be in the ballpark. Heinola?

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Helly is ok to stay as long as we are contenders , Helly you are still under contract you don't have a say really. Same goes for Scheifele.

They don't have any say in whether they stay or not. They do have say in whether they like it or not and in whether they will sign their next contracts here (mixed blessing there).

You don't really want a roster of unhappy players.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think he's done quite well on the trade front given the circumstances behind the trades. My only complaint with Chevy re: trades is his reluctance to make good hockey trades.

We can also argue that he allowed situations to go on for too long, eroding the value of his trade pieces. Hmmm, situation festering. Do I detect a pattern?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The Kane and Laine deals were both good hockey deals imo.

We pretty much have the template for what Mark will get back as we've seen it on the Eichel and Duchene deals.

Don't forget that the Kane deal also included Bogosian, who was still considered a valuable piece at that time. I always said that the deal depended on the first (Roslovic) panning out for us. He really didn't. We got 3 dimes and a couple of quarters for a buck and a half.

Considering that Roslovic was included in the Laine trade, I don't think we got enough back.

I'm not calling those deals losses, but I wouldn't say they were wins either. In both cases, the best thing was getting rid of a pain in the ass. Kane would have given us a better return if he was moved a year or two sooner. The same goes for Trouba.

Chevy's trade record is neither great nor terrible. More so-so. Of course, trading is a zero sum game. All the winners, minus all the losers = zero.

 

[majormajor]

Actually a young top pairing RD is pretty high on our list of needs. We have a surplus of LD.

I guess we may also need a very good center if Mark is also on his way out.

I like Mercer but I doubt the org is really interested in moving Helle for top 6 winger prospects as we are set there.

I think Mercer fits the Jets needs perfectly if Scheifele is on the way out. Mercer is a brilliant player and actually looked really good at center for much of the year.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Well if it isn’t because of weather than there’s something else. No nhl team can match the number of people wanting to leave an organization like people have with Winnipeg.

That weather thing is so massively overstated. It is real. It exists. But it isn't 1840 anymore. Everybody has central heating, warm cars, walkways all over the downtown, covered malls. You never have to go out into winter weather if you don't want to.

Your exaggerating the idea that everyone wants out too.

 

[Vinther]

Niku was never ready just over hyped, undersized and basically not good enough to play D in the NHL!

I do wonder how big a return we could have had from him if traded at the rigth time.
But we could miss out on value of the young LD's if we don't create room for them or trade one of them

 

[TheNumber4]

Everyone wondering what happened in “the room” and wondering what went wrong. This is nothing more than cold, small market, northern city syndrome. The Oilers have known it for years, the Jets know it, but may have forgot since they only just got back into the League. It will always be tough to build a contender in Winnipeg, and this cycle will happen over and over.

 

[Nucks4Life]

Thinking out loud here, but if we were to move Scheifele for Barzal, Helle for Mercer and 5OA, and then sign a half decent goalie in free agency…

are we better suited to provide long-term support for the PLD, Connor, Morrissey, Ehlers core than we are today?

I don't think you're getting Barzal for Scheiffle. The latter is 29, Barzal is 23/24? That's a major difference for the Islanders.

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Everyone wondering what happened in “the room” and wondering what went wrong. This is nothing more than cold, small market, northern city syndrome. The Oilers have known it for years, the Jets know it, but may have forget since they only just got back into the League. It will always be tough to build a contender in Winnipeg, and this cycle will happen over and over.

This is a good point, I liken it to what the raptors face bringing UFA's to Toronto. And no offence to Edmonton or Winnipeg but Toronto is a much better city (given all the options for people). But for the raptors, who play in a league that is primarily American players, many don't want to live in the cold north (even as great as the fans are and environment has been). So now ask an American to go live in Edmonton or Winnipeg in the winter? Most Canadians don't want to!

 

[Jets 31]

Just my opinion but if i was a NHL player making millions of dollars i would rather play in front of lots of fans in cold Canada. I've got millions , i'll buy a second home somewhere warm .

 

[JetsFan815]

Elliotte Friedman said on the Kenny and Renny podcast yesterday that he is hearing that as long as the Jets are committed to chasing a cup that Hellebuyck is willing to stay here.

"Willing to stay here"? "Willing"? I love how millionaire athletes with their guaranteed contracts (regardless of performance) use terminology like "willing to stay here", "need to hear the plan & talk to the agent before deciding what to do" when they are under contract for 2 more seasons.

So much entitlement, not only do you f***s get millions guaranteed no matter what you have the audacity to disrespect the term on those same guaranteed contracts?

I hope the next CBA really puts the screws on the players. Get rid of NTC/NMCs, get rid of signing bonuses and slash the salary cap a bit. So much entitlement.

 

[None]

"Willing to stay here"? "Willing"? I love how millionaire athletes with their guaranteed contracts (regardless of performance) use terminology like "willing to stay here", "need to hear the plan & talk to the agent before deciding what to do" when they are under contract for 2 more seasons.

So much entitlement, not only do you f***s get millions guaranteed no matter what you have the audacity to disrespect the term on those same guaranteed contracts?

I hope the next CBA really puts the screws on the players. Get rid of NTC/NMCs, get rid of signing bonuses and slash the salary cap a bit. So much entitlement.

Keep in mind that what you're reading is a member of the media paraphrasing an agent who probably paraphrased his client. Very different than Scheifele who came out and said it himself.

"As long as the plan is to contend Hellebuyck is okay with where he is." is what Elliotte Friedman said verbatim on Ken Wiebe and Sean Reynold's podcast.

If the plan was to rebuild you'd have to think the Jets would probably be the ones looking to move Hellebuyck unless he came to them and said "I want to retire here and be a part of a rebuild."

 

[winnipegger]

That weather thing is so massively overstated. It is real. It exists. But it isn't 1840 anymore. Everybody has central heating, warm cars, walkways all over the downtown, covered malls. You never have to go out into winter weather if you don't want to.

Your exaggerating the idea that everyone wants out too.

Please don't downplay how hellishly f***ing cold it is, not after this freak of a winter.

Since 2018 it's been tough. I'm on the side of large changes. If that means no scheifele so be it. I have his jersey from 2013 I love the guy. This team is not a contender anymore and let's not beat around the bush about it. Time to shake it up.

 

[JetsNut]

I have a feeling the player that wants out is Wheeler.
I think he's finally realized that the players will not put up with his ego. I've heard some bad rumors about him.

Would not be surprised to see Scheif and Wheeler dealt this offseason, which could have a very positive affect on the team for next season.

Man, I want to believe you’re right about Wheeler. In my opinion the very best thing that could happen here is that he and Scheifele were gone this off-season.

 

[ps241]

Elliotte Friedman said on the Kenny and Renny podcast yesterday that he is hearing that as long as the Jets are committed to chasing a cup that Hellebuyck is willing to stay here.

This is a good sign. Helle “conditionally” not wanting out is a pretty key development of this off season puzzle.

Scheif finally signalling why he quit on his teammates is also a positive. The fact it happened the way it did is a joke but getting it out in the open is the best bad option.

So at a minimum we need to change all the coaches and effectively trade Scheifele. Not sure we will need to change much more but I could see one (or two) veteran D men moved depending on the 55 trade return to create room for the emerging talent and free up cap space.

Big off season for you Chevy and it’s critical you get it right.

 

[ps241]

We can also argue that he allowed situations to go on for too long, eroding the value of his trade pieces. Hmmm, situation festering. Do I detect a pattern?

In these player friction events Chevy usually does the right thing EVENTUALLY after he has exhausted other options. His #1 crime along with and perhaps driven by Chipman was keeping Maurice too long. The byproduct of their inaction was this lost season, the Scheifele drama, the room chemistry steadily deteriorating until it manifested itself publicly. Inaction is in fact an action and thats the problem you are not avoiding the problem you are endorsing the problem and giving it your blessing by not changing it. There is a fine line between patience and incompetence. The key is self awareness and I am not sold our owner Is dialed in on this organizational blind spot but who knows.

There is always going to be some drama around NHL teams but this has gone past that. Thankfully it came to a head so hopefully they get things cleaned up this off season.

 

[SensibleGuy]

That weather thing is so massively overstated. It is real. It exists. But it isn't 1840 anymore. Everybody has central heating, warm cars, walkways all over the downtown, covered malls. You never have to go out into winter weather if you don't want to.

Your exaggerating the idea that everyone wants out too.

I live in Winnipeg...my entire life has been here. I don't really have a good option for living anywhere else. I deal with the cold, but I absolutely hate it...even in spite of all the "modern conveniences." Having a nice warm place to live doesn't change the fact that 7 months of every year I have to bundle up in heavy layers every time I leave that warm place and I have to scrape ice off my windows and let the car warm up and trudge through snow in heavy boots. I have to get tires changed a couple times a year and worry about plugging the thing in over night (which starts at 5pm) and if I have to park the car somewhere for a day and can't plug in I have to worry about it starting when I go back out. If I were a young athlete who had his choice of places to go...you can bet your ass the weather here would be a factor. It's not like Winnipeg has much of anything else to offer in terms of entertainment and amenities to counter-balance the crappy winters...

 

[Ducky10]

Winnipeg, come for the weather, stay for the roads.

 

[kanadalainen]

I don't think you're getting Barzal for Scheiffle. The latter is 29, Barzal is 23/24? That's a major difference for the Islanders.

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This is a good point, I liken it to what the raptors face bringing UFA's to Toronto. And no offence to Edmonton or Winnipeg but Toronto is a much better city (given all the options for people). But for the raptors, who play in a league that is primarily American players, many don't want to live in the cold north (even as great as the fans are and environment has been). So now ask an American to go live in Edmonton or Winnipeg in the winter? Most Canadians don't want to!