Speculation: Friedman: "At the deadline I heard that several Jets players asked to be traded"

[Imcanadianeh]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Jets decide to trade Heinola for some better forward depth this offseason, I think they view him as a better (or more potential) than Stanley and probably could get a better return, but I kind of think the Jets just want to trade Heinola because the Jets are done with their Finnish experiment(?) and would rather move on from it.

I’m also assuming they’re done with Vesalainen and he won’t be getting another contract from the Jets.

 

[bustamente]

If Heinola is not ready or the Jets feel he is not ready than maybe a change of scenery would be best for him to either flourish or become another Niku.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Jets decide to trade Heinola for some better forward depth this offseason, I think they view him as a better (or more potential) than Stanley and probably could get a better return, but I kind of think the Jets just want to trade Heinola because the Jets are done with their Finnish experiment(?) and would rather move on from it.

I’m also assuming they’re done with Vesalainen and he won’t be getting another contract from the Jets.

Don't really get that logic. Not all Finnish hockey players are Niku, just as not all Finnish hockey players are Laine. Some of them -- like Barkov, Aho, Rant, and on and on and on, work out pretty well. Maybe the Jets think Heinola might become one of those.

I can't see the Jets deciding to "move on" from an entire nationality because a few of the Finns they've drafted haven't worked out. Heinola hasn't;'t mot worked out -- he's had limited opportunity to do so thus far with the big team. That isn't his latent Finnishness coming to the fore and screwing things up, I don't think.

But maybe.

 

[tbone1968]

Elliotte dropped some bombshells in today's 32 thoughts podcast so this seems threadworthy



Jets stuff starts at around 15 seconds. Worth a listen. Some of the key stuff they said:







Basically what I got out of this discussion was that Scheifele stuff from yesterday is just the tip of the iceberg and more shoes may drop.

This disappointing season continues to get even more disappointing. I want to know who the other guys he's talking about are- I could see guys like KV, Harkins, Svechnikov asking for moves but I am wondering if some of the guys at the top of the lineup are also included.

Copp got his wish I guess. 18 pts in 16 games with NYR. I get he’s not a point per game player but seems we are trading the wrong guys. Great 3rd line C.

Start with 55 and keep trading them out till the cancer is gone. Not fixable in my opinion

 

[tbone1968]

Well they aren’t going to trade half the team so a few people need to relax in here. If guys like Svechnikov and Ves want out, who gives a crap really. Svech was brought in on a PTO ffs and Ves hasn’t done a single thing to prove he’s worthy of an NHL roster spot. Dillon, replaceable, Schmidt, replaceable. There might be a couple of big moves like Scheifele, but the rest are going to be the natural turnover you see in a lot of rosters, especially unsuccessful ones.

One thing this has proved, is Maurice was so completely full of shit when he repeatedly said how tight the room was. How many times did he say “the room is tight, it’s a tight group in there”.
Man that guy was a snake oil salesman of the highest order.

Great post. Maurice could spin his bullshit with the media enthralled by all of it. Admittedly I bought a lot of what he said too after the team ascending. Unfortunately he bought his own bs too much and left the players to create their hierarchy. Clean the entitled out. Much rather watch a less talented but hungry team. As a fan they’re not that interesting to watch anymore

 

[White Out 902]

If anyone wants to look at what actual good management is of rosters, check out what Toronto and New York are doing. These teams were in the same or worse position we were when we drafted Laine. And we're hot garbage, while they're in the playoffs hosting the 1st round

That's what really gets at me and makes me bitter AF. I am so beyond outraged at our horse shit management and coaching staff. We deserve better. 11 years of mediocrity and our reward was a run to the west final, and a fluke win over Edmonton.

 

[raideralex99]

If anyone wants to look at what actual good management is of rosters, check out what Toronto and New York are doing. These teams were in the same or worse position we were when we drafted Laine. And we're hot garbage, while they're in the playoffs hosting the 1st round

That's what really gets at me and makes me bitter AF. I am so beyond outraged at our horse shit management and coaching staff. We deserve better. 11 years of mediocrity and our reward was a run to the west final, and a fluke win over Edmonton.

Relax ... look at the Flames board after last season ... same comments as the Jets board this year.
A new head coach does wonders for a team.
Toronto and New York both FIRED their coaches while the Jets keep their .500 career coach Maurice.

 

[tbone1968]

While I agree a “tire fire” is a bit over the top, your “perspective” is a bit on the sunny side. Four years in a row of post season? You’re not including that silly play in with the Flames as playoffs, are you? Another post season appearance made possible by being in the Canadian division. Beat a bad Oilers team and were then inexplicably swept by a worse Habs team. Followed up a trip to the WCF with a first exit the following season.
Coach quit this season (shouldn’t have been around to do so), Star player indifferent and unhappy, rumours of other players also unhappy with the team, interim coach terrible, dismissed and invited to reapply. Probably most importantly, a very discontented fan base and I’m not just talking about this place. What should concern the Jets is the disinterest and disgust the average fan has with the team right now. I’ve never talked to so many people who are so unhappy with the team, and these are not hockey nuts who over analyze and speculate on absolutely everything. These are the Jets bread and butter fans, the ones they can’t afford to alienate. But they are getting dangerously close to doing so. This team hasn’t excited it’s fan base for a number of years now, there is some real apathy setting in. It’s not “one bad year”, they’ve been going the wrong direction for 3-4 years and at the moment have a pretty sizeable job to get it back on track. Not saying they can’t, but a lot of pieces have to fall into place for it to get that way.
Tire fire? No, but the tires are piling up. Let’s hope the fuel and matches don’t show up.

great post. After spending to the cap, not having a sniff of the playoffs and key players openly expressing discontent I would think the tires were lit.

Don’t worry about the wet eyed apologies to the woke crowd Chipman. Pay more attention to the shit we pay to watch

 

[White Out 902]

Relax ... look at the Flames board after last season ... same comments as the Jets board this year.
A new head coach does wonders for a team.
Toronto and New York both FIRED their coaches while the Jets keep their .500 career coach Maurice.

If you think we're one year away from hosting the first round of the playoffs I would love to have what you're smoking

 

[Stumbledore]

Did sbisa, forbrot, bealieu et al belong anywhere on the Jets given their performances. Maybe if he played instead of sitting on the taxi squad he'd have been even further along this year. Ditto for Samberg during that timeframe too. Even moreso since he's older by two years.

Regardless he isn't playing on this team next year unless there is trades which is my main point.

I'm not sure what you mean about Forbort belonging anywhere on the Jets but he's in the playoffs on the Bruins D-line while the Jets...

 

[Huffer]

I'm not sure what you mean about Forbort belonging anywhere on the Jets but he's in the playoffs on the Bruins D-line while the Jets...

I'll never understand this line of thinking. Huddy won multiple cups as a passenger on the Oilers. The year before Bourque got traded to the Avs, this line of thinking would say Huddy is better because "look at all those cups and playoff games!"

There are always lesser players on teams that are winning because the winning teams also usually have other elite players.

The Jets beat the Oilers in 4 games last year. Doesn't mean that Toninato and Harkins are better that McDavid and Draisatl.

 

[rkp]

If you think we're one year away from hosting the first round of the playoffs I would love to have what you're smoking

apparently some stuff is now legal to buy at a storefront!!!

 

[tbcwpg]

If anyone wants to look at what actual good management is of rosters, check out what Toronto and New York are doing. These teams were in the same or worse position we were when we drafted Laine. And we're hot garbage, while they're in the playoffs hosting the 1st round

That's what really gets at me and makes me bitter AF. I am so beyond outraged at our horse shit management and coaching staff. We deserve better. 11 years of mediocrity and our reward was a run to the west final, and a fluke win over Edmonton.

Ironically given its you posting this but New York is in this position solely due to its goaltender. They have been good since March, I'll give you that for sure. Just look at game 1 tonight so far, 38 shots against with 12 to go in the 3rd, meanwhile the Pens have their backups in.

As for Toronto, I follow them closely and the difference isn't managerial.

 

[snowkiddin]

Ironically given its you posting this but New York is in this position solely due to its goaltender. They have been good since March, I'll give you that for sure. Just look at game 1 tonight so far, 38 shots against with 12 to go in the 3rd, meanwhile the Pens have their backups in.

As for Toronto, I follow them closely and the difference isn't managerial.

The Rangers also benefited from having one of the best playmakers in the game choosing to sign there over anywhere else and literally had a Norris-winning defenceman force his way over there for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Ducky10]

Ironically given its you posting this but New York is in this position solely due to its goaltender. They have been good since March, I'll give you that for sure. Just look at game 1 tonight so far, 38 shots against with 12 to go in the 3rd, meanwhile the Pens have their backups in.

As for Toronto, I follow them closely and the difference isn't managerial.

Not to mention, this is the Rangers first playoff appearance since 2017 and the Laffs haven’t won a playoff series in a generation.
Odd choice of comparison.

 

[DRW204]

I'm not sure what you mean about Forbort belonging anywhere on the Jets but he's in the playoffs on the Bruins D-line while the Jets...

The Bruins are in the PO's with or without forbrot. Zach bogosian has a cup too, should bring him back eh

 

[rkp]

The Bruins are in the PO's with or without forbrot. Zach bogosian has a cup too, should bring him back eh

the bruins flatter forbert....he does not flatter the bruins

 

[surixon]

Ironically given its you posting this but New York is in this position solely due to its goaltender. They have been good since March, I'll give you that for sure. Just look at game 1 tonight so far, 38 shots against with 12 to go in the 3rd, meanwhile the Pens have their backups in.

As for Toronto, I follow them closely and the difference isn't managerial.

Yup, the Rangers are a carbon copy of us the two prior years. A pretty poor metrics team that is winning due to timely finishing and all world goaltending.

They are getting dummied by the Pens tonight.

Also hard to compare us to the Rangers. They are able to get top 3 wingers to sign in their market as UFA and a Norris winner force his way to them as a prospect. Add in players like Trouba forcing a trade to them as well and it should be much easier to build a team when top prospects/players want into your market.

 

[raideralex99]

Yup, the Rangers are a carbon copy of us the two prior years. A pretty poor metrics team that is winning due to timely finishing and all world goaltending.

They are getting dummied by the Pens tonight.

Also hard to compare us to the Rangers. They are able to get top 3 wingers to sign in their market as UFA and a Norris winner force his way to them as a prospect. Add in players like Trouba forcing a trade to them as well and it should be much easier to build a team when top prospects/players want into your market.

Don't forget the lottery Rangers moved up two years in a row 2019 & 2020 to #1 & #2.

 

[surixon]

Don't forget the lottery Rangers moved up two years in a row 2019 & 2020 to #1 & #2.

The one saving grace for the rest of the league is they aren't great at drafting and developing.

 

[sipowicz]

If Heinola is not ready or the Jets feel he is not ready than maybe a change of scenery would be best for him to either flourish or become another Niku.

Niku was never ready just over hyped, undersized and basically not good enough to play D in the NHL!

 

[10Ducky10]

Ville, Dillon, 2022 1st and Scheif for Provorov, Konecny and 2023 1st.

JMo, Provorov, Samberg and Stanimal on the left side is pretty, pretty, pretty good.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

If anyone wants to look at what actual good management is of rosters, check out what Toronto and New York are doing. These teams were in the same or worse position we were when we drafted Laine. And we're hot garbage, while they're in the playoffs hosting the 1st round

That's what really gets at me and makes me bitter AF. I am so beyond outraged at our horse shit management and coaching staff. We deserve better. 11 years of mediocrity and our reward was a run to the west final, and a fluke win over Edmonton.

Yes lets just sign John Tavares and Atermi Panarin next Free agency

 

[Zippity]

I think Chipman made a huge mistake keeping his buddy Chevy around. Sounds like it’s going to be a fire sale

 

[GumbyCan2]

I'm thinking Helle definitely wants out..

Send him to Det for Seider and Raymond and dress Flaherty as Comrie's backup?