Ehlers kind of strikes me as a happy go lucky guy. Wants to just play hockey, never pouts, will play a variety of roles etc. It'd be an absolute bummer if he asks for a trade but I really wouldn't blame him. This seems like a shit show which Chevy has enabled.
Speculation: Friedman: "At the deadline I heard that several Jets players asked to be traded"
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Ducky10
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I think the whole “wanting out” thing gets exaggerated. It’s like anytime a player expresses any kind of frustration or disappointment it’s portrayed as “wanting out”. The Ville one cracks me up the most. I want the kid to get his shot but to think a 21 year old defenseman, who has done absolutely zilch, is in a position to demand a trade, is pretty far removed from reality.
Agree, but with an obviously highly-talented player like Ville, who looks around at the Dillon signing, the emergence of Samberg (good) and the org's ongoing commitment to a player like Stanley who has seemingly hit his ceiling as a 6-8, and wonders when or if it will be his turn, what's he going to do? Spend another season or 2 dominating in the A while Dillon plays out the string and Stanley becomes the next Beaulieu? I'd argue that getting close to PPG during his last stint while putting up strong numbers is not quite doing :"absolutely zilch," and that spending 1/4 of the season wilting in the pressbox and then yo-yoing between Moose and Jets means that the absolute zilch he's doing in the NHL isn't really down to him, but to opportunity. FWIW, all that time a clearly injured Pionk was playing some of the worst hockey of his career -- and yet...
I think younger (especially higher-end) players want to see opportunity, rewards for good play and a path forward in terms of a possible spot, ToI and so on. If those paths are blocked, no matter how well they play and how carefully they take onboard their coaching, what's the point?
With Ehlers I honestly just can't even. How a guy who has ranked as one of the league's elite wingers has been stuck behind Wheeler because seniority and had his contributions and value as a team asset consistently mismanaged must keep him awake at night. And then to watch Scheifele witter on about how the team must do right by him or blah blah blah -- somewhere on the plane home to Denmark a Viking head was exploding.
This team's old culture was based on false hierarchies. Time to make it a meritocracy.
Teemusalami204
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Ehlers also watched his best friend laine get blocked by Wheeler and seniority. It’s a very common trend
Howard Chuck
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Besides, he’s been in this mode for three years now. That suspension had nothing to do with it imo.
Andy6
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Aren't guys who are consistently around a point a game or more, and among the highest scoring forwards in the NHL over a long stretch of time, going to be at the top of almost anyone's hierarchy, though? It's not uniquely the Jets who can't play every good player they've got on the top line and first powerplay at all times.
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I like Ville but to look at him being a ppg guy for such a small sample, while not mentioning some pretty poor underlying metrics is a bit incomplete. Agreed on the hierarchy thing with this team, but I’m not sure thy necessarily the case with Ville. Stanley has been given and opportunity, as has Samberg to a lesser degree. Both are young players and there is nothing hierarchical about that. The insistence on hanging onto to Beaulieu and playing him ahead of young prospects is the most egregious example, really baffling and counter productive.
I think a new coaching staff takes a hard look at Stanley and assesses which player is a better fit. One would hope an intelligent person sees that as Heinola. The team needs to move Dillon, that’s obvious. If I’m Ville, I’m not looking to demand traded quite yet. Especially since there is no guarantee I don’t end up in a similar situation elsewhere.
Ehlers is a completely different example imo.
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trade wheeler to boston...after last nites game against the canes, they may/might love to have him...one way to get rid of the blockage
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Unless they give up more points against, while they are scoring their 'point a game or more'. Generating a lot is good, but it becomes > good when you generate more than you let the other guys generate.
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I'm not sure I'd say, after one disappointing 89-point season following four years in a row in the post-season and more series wins than the Leafs have had in a generation, that the team is a "tire fire". A little perspective would be a good idea, I think.
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Disappointing but not surprising. The organization looks like it’s going nowhere with no identity, and frankly the leadership group sucks since Byfuglien left. The older core players have watched Laine, Trouba and Copp all dealt in recent seasons. You want to play on a team in the coldest market where your top leaders don’t play a lick of defense, your dmen aren’t good, good players walk out the door on a yearly basis and your locker room doesn’t gel?
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Some of these posters have no perspective they just want to see the world burn
I hope so but that press conference was a disaster. As fans and season ticket holders it would be nice to hear some definitive answers. I mean who wants to hear that they will let Lowry apply for the job as well as the assistants.
Honestly I sick of the GM and owner talking to the fans like we are dumb.
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Like seriously how do you let a 7000 person waiting list evaporate? Since 2018 this organization has done more things wrong on and off the ice than right. It would not surprise me if this team is worse next year.
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I have a feeling the player that wants out is Wheeler.
I think he's finally realized that the players will not put up with his ego. I've heard some bad rumors about him.
Would not be surprised to see Scheif and Wheeler dealt this offseason, which could have a very positive affect on the team for next season.
I think he's finally realized that the players will not put up with his ego. I've heard some bad rumors about him.
Would not be surprised to see Scheif and Wheeler dealt this offseason, which could have a very positive affect on the team for next season.
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If it was just a case of having a disappointing season and everyone saying they want to get back at it and make it better next season, that would be one thing. But when you have such a public display of lets say finger pointing, questioning where the team is going, and just how upset the players are, and you add to that the GM getting a 3 year extension, and then trying to downplay all the issues....
There is concern.
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While I agree a “tire fire” is a bit over the top, your “perspective” is a bit on the sunny side. Four years in a row of post season? You’re not including that silly play in with the Flames as playoffs, are you? Another post season appearance made possible by being in the Canadian division. Beat a bad Oilers team and were then inexplicably swept by a worse Habs team. Followed up a trip to the WCF with a first exit the following season.
Coach quit this season (shouldn’t have been around to do so), Star player indifferent and unhappy, rumours of other players also unhappy with the team, interim coach terrible, dismissed and invited to reapply. Probably most importantly, a very discontented fan base and I’m not just talking about this place. What should concern the Jets is the disinterest and disgust the average fan has with the team right now. I’ve never talked to so many people who are so unhappy with the team, and these are not hockey nuts who over analyze and speculate on absolutely everything. These are the Jets bread and butter fans, the ones they can’t afford to alienate. But they are getting dangerously close to doing so. This team hasn’t excited it’s fan base for a number of years now, there is some real apathy setting in. It’s not “one bad year”, they’ve been going the wrong direction for 3-4 years and at the moment have a pretty sizeable job to get it back on track. Not saying they can’t, but a lot of pieces have to fall into place for it to get that way.
Tire fire? No, but the tires are piling up. Let’s hope the fuel and matches don’t show up.
I think it is quite clear that there are some locker room issues that need to be cleaned up and the new coach whoever it is is going to have to build the culture from the ground up with who remains.
Not all that dissimilar then what Calgary had to do but our room issues are probably more pronounced and probably require moving out a couple of problem players.
I count the play in with the Flames as making the playoffs as we were on an absolute tear when COVID initially shut down the season. We had gone through the difficult part of our schedule and all the teams we were clustered with were just about to hit busy schedules to end out the year and we had games against all the teams we were in competition with. If the season hadn't been stopped we would have made the playoffs by game 82. Then 55 gets hurt on that dangerous hit early in the first game and we couldn't overcome that but I do consider that making the playoffs. We played a series and lost. So a first round exit sure, but still playing extra games.
For the Canadian division, the Flames didn't make so I think you're downplaying how good the Canadian division was. Toronto, Edmonton and Calgary are all hosting 1st round playoff games this year. If Vancouver didn't have such a bad start they could have been a playoff team too this year. Montreal fell off the face of the earth.
There is a pretty clear excuse for getting swept by the Habs. Prior to that series there had only been 5 times where a team had to wait 9 days between playoff games in the history of the league. The team that had the 9 day break lost 4 of the 5 series' and 3 of the 4 losses were sweeps. Now it's happened 6 times with the team waiting losing 5 of the 6 and 4 of the 5 losses were sweeps. It's actually the most likely outcome having that much time between playoff series. So say what you want, but that's the history.
Then we also lost to the Blues in the first round but had 3rd period leads in 2 games that we lost so if we played 20 better minutes of hockey maybe that would have been our Stanley cup instead of theirs.
I think context matters and people have a revisionist point of view of some of the things that had occured.
Do playoff teams typically draft 10th overall?
19-20 we were out of the top 16, be it by a hair, still out. Whether you look at pts or. Pts%, got hot at the right time. Who care... If they played better they would have avoided the whole play-in (play into the PO's) crap.
Nevertheless 50% of the league make the PO's. If you're basically an average team, you're basically a PO bubble team. IIRC from 18-19 onward we are 17th in the nhl. We're a bubble team, who makes no noise in the PO's if we get there. And based on that gm gets a job well-done. Just lol. Standards sooo low.
19-20 we were out of the top 16, be it by a hair, still out. Whether you look at pts or. Pts%, got hot at the right time. Who care... If they played better they would have avoided the whole play-in (play into the PO's) crap.
Nevertheless 50% of the league make the PO's. If you're basically an average team, you're basically a PO bubble team. IIRC from 18-19 onward we are 17th in the nhl. We're a bubble team, who makes no noise in the PO's if we get there. And based on that gm gets a job well-done. Just lol. Standards sooo low.
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The irony of you saying people have a revisionist pov is too rich. I mean, read your post. It’s nothing but excuses and revisions. Coulda woulda shoulda, the history of our Winnipeg Jets.
You’re more than entitled to be ok with where the Jets are at, that’s fine. But a hard look at this team and how it’s been performing the past 4 years doesn’t really point to a team on the rise. Isn’t that what Chevy said? To keep moving forward? I think he means, getting it moving forward again, because it’s been in reverse.
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soooo schiefle to columbus for laine?
Columbus hangs up haha
Sure, and I'm not advocating that Ville gets a guaranteed spot because of his pedigree or talent or a brief stretch of excellent play. But I think you would agree that this org has a history of blocking prospect paths with less-than-great vets, especially on D, which has now complicated those paths significantly. We have run plugs like Sbisa, Bitetto, Benn, Beaulieu -- the list goes on -- when we could have spent some time evaluating where our prospects were heading and then integrating them in a meaningful way.
Had Samberg been evaluated last season and shown himself to be capable of a Dillon role in the top 6, then do we go out and buy Dillon? Had Heinola been given enough games next to Pionk, say, and shown himself to be a capable PMD who can add offence at ES and on the PP, and play a responsible enough D game, do we spend picks and a decent chunk of cap on years of Schmidt?
My point is not that Heinola must play -- although I think we're getting to that point -- but that the team shot itself in the foot by failing to properly evaluate its own D talent and then going big on guys with term who will be tricky to move, instead of looking for expiring contracts or (even better) getting equivalent or better performance form their own prospects while realizing savings with ELCs they could then put towards filling in holes on F -- or maybe even overpaying for a Copp.
For the record, Ville seems like a smart, hard-working kid who has perhaps found an excellent mentor in Schmidt, and I see no evidence that he's out there banging the drum for a trade. But the Jets have not covered themselves with glory in terms of thinking years ahead to ensure that their best prospects have roles they can fill if they make the grade, which is crucial for a contending team in the cap era, IMO.
Also, while I was a Stanley booster for a long time, I'm getting really tired of hearing from insiders how "committed" the org is to Stanley. Forget commitment. Either he's good enough to be the best 5-7 D option you have in your closet, or you move on, however 6'7" he is. He was meh to crap for most of this season. Enough already.
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Yukon Joe
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I think it's the other way - that Heinola has more latitude to request (not demand) a trade.
With Heinola, the team is more likely to go "yeah, we don't have many plans for ya, we'll see what we can do".
With a, I dunno, Ehlers, the team is more likely to say "Sorry Nik, you're an important part of our team. You're under contract and we're keeping you".
