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Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

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RoadWarrior said:
You’re assuming management is flexible enough to actually trade players that they’ve traded for previously like Muzzin, Holl and Kerfoot. In other words Dubas admitting that they ultimately weren’t a great fit or good value.

Considering his failure to admit any errors in the core four contacts I wouldn’t be holding my breath.

Finding better value than Campbell at this stage probably means mining European leagues again which is a total crapshoot. The safe move is to re-sign Campbell and dump the baggage like Kerfoot.
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You’re assuming this management team is inflexible and isn’t one to quickly identify mistakes and move off of them/create the room needed to change up the outlook of the roster. The moved off Ritchie quickly and even brought back a useful player, they’ve done it with success before. There’s no reason to believe they won’t do the same this time.
I don’t agree at all with your assessment of the goaltending situation. Campbell at 5-6m is not the safe or good move, you don’t think some combo of Husso MAF Blackwood Georgiev DeSmith Samsonov Varlamov Holtby for 6-7m is better than Campbell at 5.5/6m and Woll/Kallgren for the same 6.3-7m most combinations of the above mentioned guys would cost. Maybe you can get Holtby or DeSmith with Campbell and end off pushing up on 7-8m in total goalie commitment.
 
Nylanderthal said:
You’re assuming this management team is inflexible and isn’t one to quickly identify mistakes and move off of them/create the room needed to change up the outlook of the roster. The moved off Ritchie quickly and even brought back a useful player, they’ve done it with success before. There’s no reason to believe they won’t do the same this time.
I don’t agree at all with your assessment of the goaltending situation. Campbell at 5-6m is not the safe or good move, you don’t think some combo of Husso MAF Blackwood Georgiev DeSmith Samsonov Varlamov Holtby for 6-7m is better than Campbell at 5.5/6m and Woll/Kallgren for the same 6.3-7m most combinations of the above mentioned guys would cost. Maybe you can get Holtby or DeSmith with Campbell and end off pushing up on 7-8m in total goalie commitment.
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I’m not convinced Campbell will get more than 5m AAV. His playoff numbers are rather pedestrian and he’s inconsistent in the regular season. He’s shown no ability to play consistently for stretches longer than 40 games. All of that being said just about every other goaltender available has even bigger holes with chronic injuries or greater inconsistency.

The solution is to use a decent 2 goalie system with Campbell playing 45 to 55 regular season games. Maybe Woll or kallgren could be a cheap backup. Either that or they bring in another Euro goalie.
 
RoadWarrior said:
I’m not convinced Campbell will get more than 5m AAV. His playoff numbers are rather pedestrian and he’s inconsistent in the regular season. He’s shown no ability to play consistently for stretches longer than 40 games. All of that being said just about every other goaltender available has even bigger holes with chronic injuries or greater inconsistency.

The solution is to use a decent 2 goalie system with Campbell playing 45 to 55 regular season games. Maybe Woll or kallgren could be a cheap backup. Either that or they bring in another Euro goalie.
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If Campbell would sign for something starting with a 4 over a reasonable term then I’d potentially agree with you, I also think that deal would be done by now. Just a quick browse of the main trade boards would let you know what other fan bases are thinking and quite a few buffalo and jersey fans see their teams offering 5-6m on a 3ish year term because neither team has a real impending cap crunch coming up and need stability at that position more than anything.
I still don’t know why you think bringing over unproven euro goalies is the solution when there’s like a dozen options out there to pick and choose from in order to create a solid tandem.
 
NewEraGM said:
I’m fascinated to see what leafs do with their goaltending. They need a capable goalie, but cannot pay more than 6-7M combined for both.
Will be very interesting….
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$6-7m is right in the middle of goalie spending. Maybe take 5 minutes and look on capfriendly at what other teams spend in net and compare that with what the leafs project to spend.
It’s not even close to an issue
 
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Campbell probably wants $5M and 3 years. Tough call on that. I'd probably lean towards the open market options that are available currently.
 
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Nylanderthal said:
$6-7m is right in the middle of goalie spending. Maybe take 5 minutes and look on capfriendlu at what other teams spend in net and compare that with what the leafs project to spend.
It’s not even close to an issue
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Ok so please tell me what 2 goalies who could sign for 7M total that you will feel good about. I’ll wait….
 
Nylanderthal said:
I provided a list a few posts back (#876) of available FA & potential trade targets. Pick 2.
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That is an awful list.
MAF: won’t play in Canada. That has been reported on already.
Blackwood/DeSmith/Holtby: they are brutal
Georgiev/Husso: I think these are your best bets but by no means is that a duo I feel comfortable with.

Sure, you can put 2 goalies together that will earn 6-7M but that is a major concern if 2 of them are in the list above.

This is a major weak point for Toronto next year. Their defense is good but by no means is it good enough to mask their goalie troubles. This is a huge concern.
 
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NewEraGM said:
That is an awful list.
MAF: won’t play in Canada. That has been reported on already.
Blackwood/DeSmith/Holtby: they are brutal
Georgiev/Husso: I think these are your best bets but by no means is that a duo I feel comfortable with.

Sure, you can put 2 goalies together that will earn 6-7M but that is a major concern if 2 of them are in the list above.

This is a major weak point for Toronto next year. Their defense is good but by no means is it good enough to mask their goalie troubles. This is a huge concern.
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Wont play in EDMONTON. That has been reported already.
 
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NewEraGM said:
That is an awful list.
MAF: won’t play in Canada. That has been reported on already.
Blackwood/DeSmith/Holtby: they are brutal
Georgiev/Husso: I think these are your best bets but by no means is that a duo I feel comfortable with.

Sure, you can put 2 goalies together that will earn 6-7M but that is a major concern if 2 of them are in the list above.

This is a major weak point for Toronto next year. Their defense is good but by no means is it good enough to mask their goalie troubles. This is a huge concern.
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Edmonton. Not Canada
 
NewEraGM said:
That is an awful list.
MAF: won’t play in Canada. That has been reported on already.
Blackwood/DeSmith/Holtby: they are brutal
Georgiev/Husso: I think these are your best bets but by no means is that a duo I feel comfortable with.

Sure, you can put 2 goalies together that will earn 6-7M but that is a major concern if 2 of them are in the list above.

This is a major weak point for Toronto next year. Their defense is good but by no means is it good enough to mask their goalie troubles. This is a huge concern.
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no no I don't think that has been reported and if it has it's not accurate because he was recently directly asked about Montreal and he said that they would be an option and it was recently reported that had a deal been reached betwwen Chicago and Toronto for him and the deadline he would have waived.

Last time I checked both Toronto and Montreal were in fact in Canada

Nylanderthal said:
I provided a list a few posts back (#876) of available FA & potential trade targets. Pick 2.
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I choose MAF and Holtby please

thank you
 
I think it's obvious we are getting Fleury.

I mean, we tried trading for him like 2 months ago... our previous starting goalie remains unsigned...

Clearly this is the direction they're going in. They liked him literally days ago, they are going for him now.

Pretty obvious imo
 
NewEraGM said:
Ok so please tell me what 2 goalies who could sign for 7M total that you will feel good about. I’ll wait….
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Fluery and Holtby

Husso and Holtby

Kuemper and Desmith

Varlamov and Holtby although that would require a trade.

It can easily be done
 
Erndog said:
I think it's obvious we are getting Fleury.

I mean, we tried trading for him like 2 months ago... our previous starting goalie remains unsigned...

Clearly this is the direction they're going in. They liked him literally days ago, they are going for him now.

Pretty obvious imo
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It might be true, but this might be true for 10-15 other teams.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Fluery and Holtby

Husso and Holtby

Kuemper and Desmith

Varlamov and Holtby although that would require a trade.

It can easily be done
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There are so many variables. Fleury might be a good, safer short term fix but Husso might be riskier but is somebody that carries the ball for the next 5+ years. No idea how much money Flower wants but if I can get Husso and Holty/DeSmith for $5m, I'd be all in.
 
Erndog said:
I think it's obvious we are getting Fleury.

I mean, we tried trading for him like 2 months ago... our previous starting goalie remains unsigned...

Clearly this is the direction they're going in. They liked him literally days ago, they are going for him now.

Pretty obvious imo
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At the right price and with the right expectation for playing time (tandem at most), I would absolutely love to have Fleury here. Always been a fan.
 
ToneDog said:
There are so many variables. Fleury might be a good, safer short term fix but Husso might be riskier but is somebody that carries the ball for the next 5+ years. No idea how much money Flower wants but if I can get Husso and Holty/DeSmith for $5m, I'd be all in.
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I'm not interested in 2028 I'm interested in 2023 Matthews is a year away from being extension eligible, we don't have time to f*** around go get the proven guy.

Go get Folwer and Holtby and let's go

Kuemper and Holtby would be cool to I'm sick of having question marks in net.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I'm not interested in 2028 I'm interested in 2023 Matthews is a year away from being extension eligible, we don't have time to f*** around go get the proven guy.

Go get Folwer and Holtby and let's go
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Don't have any insight into what Matty wants to do in a year but if I had a good feeling, I would not be concerned. Flower is proven but he is 38. I'd hate to be Dubas if I passed on Husso for Fleury and Husso becomes what he is trending to become.

Dubas has his work cut out for him. f*** this up and he will be held to the fire until he fixes it once again.
 
ToneDog said:
Don't have any insight into what Matty wants to do in a year but if I had a good feeling, I would not be concerned. Flower is proven but he is 38. I'd hate to be Dubas if I passed on Husso for Fleury and Husso becomes what he is trending to become.

Dubas has his work cut out for him. f*** this up and he will be held to the fire until he fixes it once again.
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He's in the last year of his contract f*** this up and he's fired
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I'm not interested in 2028 I'm interested in 2023 Matthews is a year away from being extension eligible, we don't have time to f*** around go get the proven guy.

Go get Folwer and Holtby and let's go

Kuemper and Holtby would be cool to I'm sick of having question marks in net.
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What exactly has Fleury proven lately? that he starts well but can't finish, and the dude isn't getting younger! If he'd take a backup roll so you can see if he can doe something in the playoffs but he probably won't ever last 4 rounds doubt Holby does either. If either of them would sign as backup and we get a youngerish goalie to take most of the load them maybe it works. One thing that I do love about Fleury is the intangible of his locker room and public presence but not as a bonified starter, not anymore at least.
 
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