Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

[Enniskillen]

Dubas could finish with the highest point regular season in Maple Leafs history, with a Hart and Richard trophy winner and people would still be incessantly whining about him

Oh wait.

I prefer leafs to be a wild card team barely making playoffs and going to ecf than super duper regular season team with Matthews tearing apart all kinds of records and marner pretending to be super diva and shitting the bed as usual.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah well, after 18 years without a playoff round won, that is the DOUBLE TRUTH, Ruth.

If your truth is a losers mentality, OK.

 

[ShaneFalco]

105 team to a 115 team. That looks like progress to me.

I'm waiting till you finally admit you just feel threatened by a younger person then yourself being in charge of the Leafs.

Maybe you need a couple more months of complaining through the entire offseason to get there yourself.

Threatened lol
How about I don't like an incompetent GM and coach f***ing up this team

If your truth is a losers mentality, OK.

Losers mentality is accepting this shit-show

 

[Gary Nylund]

Losers mentality is accepting this shit-show

Not sure what you mean by "accepting", but OK.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

105 team to a 115 team. That looks like progress to me.

I'm waiting till you finally admit you just feel threatened by a younger person then yourself being in charge of the Leafs.

Maybe you need a couple more months of complaining through the entire offseason to get there yourself.

Still hasn't gotten out of the first round there has no progress.

Regular season records are great but at this point they mean NOTHING

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I really hope we find a way to keep him. I know he wants a lot of money, but he's far and away the best goaltending option we have. Cap space is important, but having a great goalie is more important. Campbell was the best goalie in the league until December, was awful until his injury took him out, then was great down the stretch and good in the playoffs.

The other options are to make a big trade for another good goalie (this list is one, maybe two names long) or go dumpster diving. Dumpster diving for goalies is part of why McDavid is coming here after his contract in Edmonton finishes, there is no way in hell we should be dumpster diving with a group of skaters this good. Goaltending is more important than Nylander, we need to find the dollars to make our net stable. I suspect Campbell is the easiest way of going about that.

No he's not the best goaltending option we have, he's mentally weak all you have to do to prove that is listen to him anytime he loses a game, can't have that in this city.

He's not consistent


He's injury prone

He's proven he can't win a playoff series no matter what the team in front of does.

You can't see it because you are part of what I like to call "The cult of Jack Campbell."

No matter what he does you, and others like you in the cult of Jack Campbell will make excuses because you like him and he's a nice guy.

You and others like you in the cult of Jack Campbell will lie about how good he was in the playoffs.

The truth however is that he couldn't give them 2 good games in a row at any point he had an 897 save% anyway you look at that, that sucks he was NOT good in the playoffs

"but he matched Vasi."

And he lost so it's irrelevant.

"but there are only a couple better options."

First off that's not true there are at least 5.

Second even if there was only one who gives a f***? go get him.

Go get the best option available and no matter how badly you and the rest of the cult of Jack Campbell want to believe it no that is NOT Jack Campbell

 

[Gary Nylund]

He's proven he can't win a playoff series no matter what the team in front of does.
...

"but there are only a couple better options."

First off that's not true there are at least 5.

Second even if there was only one who gives a f***? go get him.

Go get the best option available and no matter how badly you and the rest of the cult of Jack Campbell want to believe it no that is NOT Jack Campbell

The bolded is way over the top. First of all, goalies don't win playoff series, teams do. And we almost beat TB with Campbell so saying we "can't win" with him is absurd.

What are the 5 options better than Campbell?

I agree we should get the best goalie we can get, I'm not sure that won't end up being Campbell though. UFA's have to want to sign with us and if goalies are under contract, their teams have to agree to trades with us so I don't see how us being able to get someone better than Campbell is a sure thing.

 

[LeafGrief]

No he's not the best goaltending option we have, he's mentally weak all you have to do to prove that is listen to him anytime he loses a game, can't have that in this city.

He's not consistent


He's injury prone

He's proven he can't win a playoff series no matter what the team in front of does.

You can't see it because you are part of what I like to call "The cult of Jack Campbell."

No matter what he does you, and others like you in the cult of Jack Campbell will make excuses because you like him and he's a nice guy.

You and others like you in the cult of Jack Campbell will lie about how good he was in the playoffs.

The truth however is that he couldn't give them 2 good games in a row at any point he had an 897 save% anyway you look at that, that sucks he was NOT good in the playoffs

"but he matched Vasi."

And he lost so it's irrelevant.

"but there are only a couple better options."

First off that's not true there are at least 5.

Second even if there was only one who gives a f***? go get him.

Go get the best option available and no matter how badly you and the rest of the cult of Jack Campbell want to believe it no that is NOT Jack Campbell

Cult of Campbell, give me a break. You write all that crap and didn't even tell me who the better option is. Go ahead and tell me who those five better options are and I better not see Mackenzie Blackwood in there.

If Dubas goes out and gets a better goalie than Campbell. I'm all about it. I want this team to have the best goaltending we possibly can, it's a critically important position and we're going nowhere with trash goaltending. But at the same time forgive me for not giving a damn about all the amateur psychology in here. That's two of you now who've hit me with a wall of your feelings about why he absolutely cannot be the guy while happily supporting players who've been failing for even longer. I think him being a nice guy is part of why he was a good fit on the team (which is actually important but nobody seems to care) but more importantly he was the best goalie in the league for three months. He had a .937sv% until December and that's a YOU problem that you can't remember that.

I'm not attached to any player on the team other than Matthews. The rest of them can be traded at any time and I don't care. Campbell included. But I do actually care about who we have in net and I think that most of you only believe in change for the sake of change and don't actually understand that teams with better goalies don't trade them. Please post those five better options now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The bolded is way over the top. First of all, goalies don't win playoff series, teams do. And we almost beat TB with Campbell so saying we "can't win" with him is absurd.

What are the 5 options better than Campbell?

I agree we should get the best goalie we can get, I'm not sure that won't end up being Campbell though. UFA's have to want to sign with us and if goalies are under contract, their teams have to agree to trades with us so I don't see how us being able to get someone better than Campbell is a sure thing.

No It's not way over the top because it does not matter what the the team does they gave him a 3-1 series lead against Montreal he found a way to blow it.

They scored a minimum of 3 goals a a game for 6 straight games Vasi played the worst hockey of his playoff career, possibly his career in general and Jack Campbell found a way to blow it.

That's what Jack Campbell does he finds a way to lose no matter what the team in front of him does it does not matter.

Jack Campbell is a proven loser and bringing him back would be lazy.

You got proven winners like Kuemper and Fluery, you want to go the unproven route?
Husso is there

You want the trade route? Varlamov, Gibson Georgiev possibly Lehner

You want a reclamation project you got Blackwood.

I said there were 5 options I just gave you 8 and I would take every single one over Campbell

Even Blackwood and Georgiev because at least they are young and in Blackwood case he's coming off a rough year but he's also had a couple good seasons too and he's only 25.

Admittedly I'm not sold on Georgiev but I'd take him over Campbell.

Here is option 9 Iliya Samsonov there was talk Washington wanted to move on and again only 25.

Option 10 Braden Holtby this is not my first choice for starter but my #1 choice for a backup.

There you go, you wanted 5 I gave you 10, about7 of which would be clear upgrades

2 have MASSIVE potential

and then Holtby who I do want but more as the backup

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Cult of Campbell, give me a break. You write all that crap and didn't even tell me who the better option is. Go ahead and tell me who those five better options are and I better not see Mackenzie Blackwood in there.

If Dubas goes out and gets a better goalie than Campbell. I'm all about it. I want this team to have the best goaltending we possibly can, it's a critically important position and we're going nowhere with trash goaltending. But at the same time forgive me for not giving a damn about all the amateur psychology in here. That's two of you now who've hit me with a wall of your feelings about why he absolutely cannot be the guy while happily supporting players who've been failing for even longer. I think him being a nice guy is part of why he was a good fit on the team (which is actually important but nobody seems to care) but more importantly he was the best goalie in the league for three months. He had a .937sv% until December and that's a YOU problem that you can't remember that.

I'm not attached to any player on the team other than Matthews. The rest of them can be traded at any time and I don't care. Campbell included. But I do actually care about who we have in net and I think that most of you only believe in change for the sake of change and don't actually understand that teams with better goalies don't trade them. Please post those five better options now.

He had 1 good month he had a GREAT November and that is whu he will get paid because all you need is 1 hot stretch and he got it in November

 

[Gary Nylund]

No It's not way over the top because it does not matter what the the team does they gave him a 3-1 series lead against Montreal he found a way to blow it.

They scored a minimum of 3 goals a a game for 6 straight games Vasi played the worst hockey of his playoff career, possibly his career in general and Jack Campbell found a way to blow it.

That's what Jack Campbell does he finds a way to lose no matter what the team in front of him does it does not matter.

Jack Campbell is a proven loser and bringing him back would be lazy.

You got proven winners like Kuemper and Fluery, you want to go the unproven route?
Husso is there

You want the trade route? Varlamov, Gibson Georgiev possibly Lehner

You want a reclamation project you got Blackwood.

I said there were 5 options I just gave you 8 and I would take every single one over Campbell

Even Blackwood and Georgiev because at least they are young and in Blackwood case he's coming off a rough year but he's also had a couple good seasons too and he's only 25.

Admittedly I'm not sold on Georgiev but I'd take him over Campbell.

Here is option 9 Iliya Samsonov there was talk Washington wanted to move on and again only 25.

Option 10 Braden Holtby this is not my first choice for starter but my #1 choice for a backup.

There you go, you wanted 5 I gave you 10, about7 of which would be clear upgrades

2 have MASSIVE potential

and then Holtby who I do want but more as the backup

Campbell was an all-star this season and had a .934 SV% in last years playoffs. He's had his ups and downs like all goalies but saying that it's impossible to win with him is insane.

You listed 10 guys who you think are better options, that doesn't mean they will turn out to be better. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Not to mention that there is no guarantee that the UFA's you listed would sign with us or that we could work out trades for the ones under contract without overpayment.

Having an opinion is fine but thinking your opinion is fact is delusional.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Campbell was an all-star this season and had a .934 SV% in last years playoffs. He's had his ups and downs like all goalies but saying that it's impossible to win with him is insane.

You listed 10 guys who you think are better options, that doesn't mean they will turn out to be better. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Not to mention that there is no guarantee that the UFA's you listed would sign with us or that we could work out trades for the ones under contract without overpayment.

Having an opinion is fine but thinking your opinion is fact is delusional.

Campbell was an all star because November is a month that exists, he was GREAT in November outside of that he sucked you just didn't notice because they had the #2 offense in the league so they got through it, it doesn't change the fact that outside of November he sucked and was carried by the offense.

But let's pretend that that wasn't true, that outside of November he didn't suck and wasn't carried by the offense.

Do you really want to give 5+ million to a guy who can't stay healthy?

Yes I brought Blackwood and yes he too had injury issues but there is a BIG difference between 25 and 2.8 million and almost 31 and 5-6 million

 

[Gary Nylund]

Campbell was an all star because November is a month that exists, he was GREAT in November outside of that he sucked you just didn't notice because they had the #2 offense in the league so they got through it, it doesn't change the fact that outside of November he sucked and was carried by the offense.

But let's pretend that that wasn't true, that outside of November he didn't suck and wasn't carried by the offense.

Do you really want to give 5+ million to a guy who can't stay healthy?

Yes I brought Blackwood and yes he too had injury issues but there is a BIG difference between 25 and 2.8 million and almost 31 and 5-6 million

You're trying so hard to pick a fight, not sure why. I watch almost every game and I already said he has his ups and downs.

I also never said I want to give him 5+ million. Cheers.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You're trying so hard to pick a fight, not sure why. I watch almost every game and I already said he has his ups and downs.

I also never said I want to give him 5+ million. Cheers.

but keeping him will cost 5+ million if they could get him cheaper he'd already be signed

 

[Gary Nylund]

but keeping him will cost 5+ million if they could get him cheaper he'd already be signed

You keep saying things as if they were facts. Do you have a source for this?

Even if true, that hardly contradicts anything I've said so not sure why you keep quoting me. And even if it costs 5 million to sign him, 5 million for Campbell may or may not end up being better than the alternatives, there's just no way to know that right now without knowing exactly what other UFA's would be willing to sign here at what price or what teams would be willing to trade us their goalies and again, at what price.

And finally, how good or bad a 5 million contract for Campbell would be depends on the term, 1 year and 5 years are two completely different things just as an example. But of course since you believe it's not possible to win with him, then I assume you wouldn't sign him for even 1 million so whatever.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You keep saying things as if they were facts. Do you have a source for this?

Even if true, that hardly contradicts anything I've said so not sure why you keep quoting me. And even if it costs 5 million to sign him, 5 million for Campbell may or may not end up being better than the alternatives, there's just no way to know that right now without knowing exactly what other UFA's would be willing to sign here at what price or what teams would be willing to trade us their goalies and again, at what price.

And finally, how good or bad a 5 million contract for Campbell would be depends on the term, 1 year and 5 years are two completely different things just as an example. But of course since you believe it's not possible to win with him, then I assume you wouldn't sign him for even 1 million so whatever.

no I'd give him 1 million, because that would mean that he would be the backup and if he were the backup I'd be fine with that.

But that's not going to happen he is not going to accept a backup role .

You are correct in saying I do not believe they can win with him as the #1, a real #1 wins a series where they are up 3-1

a real #1 gives the team 2 good games in a row in the playoffs.

now if he said to me he would take 1 million but still wanted 50 starts?

no I wouldn't do that because you are correct I do not believe he can handle that. based on both consistency and his injury history.

It's the same reason I don't want Mrazek back

 

[JT AM da real deal]

No It's not way over the top because it does not matter what the the team does they gave him a 3-1 series lead against Montreal he found a way to blow it.

They scored a minimum of 3 goals a a game for 6 straight games Vasi played the worst hockey of his playoff career, possibly his career in general and Jack Campbell found a way to blow it.

That's what Jack Campbell does he finds a way to lose no matter what the team in front of him does it does not matter.

Jack Campbell is a proven loser and bringing him back would be lazy.

You got proven winners like Kuemper and Fluery, you want to go the unproven route?
Husso is there

You want the trade route? Varlamov, Gibson Georgiev possibly Lehner

You want a reclamation project you got Blackwood.

I said there were 5 options I just gave you 8 and I would take every single one over Campbell

Even Blackwood and Georgiev because at least they are young and in Blackwood case he's coming off a rough year but he's also had a couple good seasons too and he's only 25.

Admittedly I'm not sold on Georgiev but I'd take him over Campbell.

Here is option 9 Iliya Samsonov there was talk Washington wanted to move on and again only 25.

Option 10 Braden Holtby this is not my first choice for starter but my #1 choice for a backup.

There you go, you wanted 5 I gave you 10, about7 of which would be clear upgrades

2 have MASSIVE potential

and then Holtby who I do want but more as the backup

You've got it right .. I am not sure who they should go with next year but losers always lose .. Freddy 0-8 and Soup 0-5 it says it all .. really nice guys .. Freddy played golf at my club and super super nice guy hits da ball a mile long but a brutal putter .. Soup has his cult and I am sure his teammates love him but to me I played with tenders who were complete d*cks .. total self absorbed and ego maniacs but they won and no one cared .. we need a tender who is a complete d*ck .. but Dubie is not that way .. Shanny can be .. I don't see us getting a tender until Dubie is gone in 2024 .. and likely Matty is gone too

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You've got it right .. I am not sure who they should go with next year but losers always lose .. Freddy 0-8 and Soup 0-5 it says it all .. really nice guys .. Freddy played golf at my club and super super nice guy hits da ball a mile long but a brutal putter .. Soup has his cult and I am sure his teammates love him but to me I played with tenders who were complete d*cks .. total self absorbed and ego maniacs but they won and no one cared .. we need a tender who is a complete d*ck .. but Dubie is not that way .. Shanny can be .. I don't see us getting a tender until Dubie is gone in 2024 .. and likely Matty is gone too

how far did you get in your career? and Freddie is a good guy? that's a little surprising he always seemed a little off to me

 

[JT AM da real deal]

how far did you get in your career? and Freddie is a good guy? that's a little surprising he always seemed a little off to me

IHL was best I could do after OHL for 4 years .. Freddy is a super nice guy .. even stopped after his round for some darts and drinks in clubhouse .. his woods and irons are outstanding .. on hole 1 at Issy a 368 yd par 4 easy straight hole he crushed it within 5 yards of green .. I have not seen anyone hit it that close .. my son got within 10 yds once he says and he averages over 300 yds per drive

 

[Gary Nylund]

no I'd give him 1 million, because that would mean that he would be the backup and if he were the backup I'd be fine with that.

But that's not going to happen he is not going to accept a backup role .

You are correct in saying I do not believe they can win with him as the #1, a real #1 wins a series where they are up 3-1

a real #1 gives the team 2 good games in a row in the playoffs.

now if he said to me he would take 1 million but still wanted 50 starts?

no I wouldn't do that because you are correct I do not believe he can handle that. based on both consistency and his injury history.

It's the same reason I don't want Mrazek back

Hey I hope we get someone better too, but if there's no better options then ...

I also don't think it's impossible to win with him so can't agree with you there.

 

[LeafGrief]

No It's not way over the top because it does not matter what the the team does they gave him a 3-1 series lead against Montreal he found a way to blow it.

They scored a minimum of 3 goals a a game for 6 straight games Vasi played the worst hockey of his playoff career, possibly his career in general and Jack Campbell found a way to blow it.

That's what Jack Campbell does he finds a way to lose no matter what the team in front of him does it does not matter.

Jack Campbell is a proven loser and bringing him back would be lazy.

You got proven winners like Kuemper and Fluery, you want to go the unproven route?
Husso is there

You want the trade route? Varlamov, Gibson Georgiev possibly Lehner

You want a reclamation project you got Blackwood.

I said there were 5 options I just gave you 8 and I would take every single one over Campbell

Even Blackwood and Georgiev because at least they are young and in Blackwood case he's coming off a rough year but he's also had a couple good seasons too and he's only 25.

Admittedly I'm not sold on Georgiev but I'd take him over Campbell.

Here is option 9 Iliya Samsonov there was talk Washington wanted to move on and again only 25.

Option 10 Braden Holtby this is not my first choice for starter but my #1 choice for a backup.

There you go, you wanted 5 I gave you 10, about7 of which would be clear upgrades

2 have MASSIVE potential

and then Holtby who I do want but more as the backup

Varlamov and Gibson are the only two of those who are even remotely good options. Kuemper is going to get paid more than Campbell for his cup win, and the rest of that list is a who's who of washed up and underwhelming. It's hysterical that Blackwood can suck ass for two years and you'll give him a chance, but Campbell loses here and THERE'S NO EXCUSES BOYS HE'S A BORN LOSER.

I very much stand by my claim that you only want change for the sake of change. I'm down for Gibson and Varlamov, the rest are a joke. I'll let the fact that you'd rather have Georgiev speak for itself.

 

[Ciao]

I hope the Leafs' incoming coaching and managerial talent can evaluate skills and not just results.

Hockey is a team sport. The goalie position is extremely important, but team success and failure doesn't rest entirely on the goalie. I just hope whoever is in charge can look beyond past wins and losses to figure out which players have the highest potential for success.

I wouldn't be able to do that, and based on my lay knowledge I really don't see much difference between any of the available veteran goalies; i.e.: from Fleury to Husso and everyone in between. Every one of them looks flawed and risky to my untrained eye.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I hope the Leafs' incoming coaching and managerial talent can evaluate skills and not just results.

Hockey is a team sport. The goalie position is extremely important, but team success and failure doesn't rest entirely on the goalie. I just hope whoever is in charge can look beyond past wins and losses to figure out which players have the highest potential for success.

I wouldn't be able to do that, and based on my lay knowledge I really don't see much difference between any of the available veteran goalies; i.e.: from Fleury to Husso and everyone in between. Every one of them looks flawed and risky to my untrained eye.

Yeah it's pretty weird how many people always dump our losses on the goalie. Reimer, Andersen and now we have @LEAFANFORLIFE23 blaming Campbell for not beating MTL despite his .934 SV%. Why not hold our highly paid superstars accountable for being shut down by Price? Weird.

 

[mapleleaf979]

The offer is nothing short of insulting to Campbell. Mrazek makes 3.8 and he offers 2.75...its laughable.

 

[rocketman588]

Yeah it's pretty weird how many people always dump our losses on the goalie. Reimer, Andersen and now we have @LEAFANFORLIFE23 blaming Campbell for not beating MTL despite his .934 SV%. Why not hold our highly paid superstars accountable for being shut down by Price? Weird.

Yeah it's pretty weird how many people always dump our losses on the goalie. Reimer, Andersen and now we have @LEAFANFORLIFE23 blaming Campbell for not beating MTL despite his .934 SV%. Why not hold our highly paid superstars accountable for being shut down by Price? Weird.

Jack didn't play prefect hockey but in the 3 games we needed to win he posted a .914/.896/.920
He was better in Montreal.

An easy scapegoat but he played well enough to win the series. I wouldn't call him a loser any more then the rest of the team.

Especially in the Montreal series there were a bunch of goal causing mistakes in games 5/6 that were not his fault