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Oilers Leaning Towards Jack Campbell or Ville Husso?

With the news that so little headway has been made between the Toronto Maple Leafs and goaltender Jack Campbell, speculation is that the Edmonton Oilers might be eyeing Campbell in free agency and that he could be their top target. Sportsnet’s Mark Spector said while a guest on Oilers Now with Bob Stauffer that Edmonton has potentially identified Campbell as the best bet.

Spector noted that Holland has a history of not spending much on goalies, but that he’ll go after one if he thinks he can land that person in free agency. With Marc-Andre Fleury, John Gibson, and Semyon Varlamov all ruling out the Oilers, Campbell might be the best bet since the Oilers don’t think $5 million for Ville Husso is the best investment. They’d rather go with someone a bit more proven.

Spector and Stauffer also believe the Oilers may circle back on trying to land Darcy Kuemper out of Colorado because Kuemper won’t get from the Avs what he could get on the open market.

How about we flip Campbell's rights for PoolParty's rights?

 

[justashadowof]

Colorado is instructive to our situation in a couple of ways. And right now the name to remember is Philipp Grubauer.

Many will recall that Colorado's ultimate chances to contend hinged on re-signing Grubauer, so they said.

Rather than overpay Grubauer, Sakic opted for a reasonable replacement and the ability to address team depth.

Team depth should be our focus; Throw in a better sports psychologist or two in while we're at it, because whoever becomes our starter, he can't be expected to outscore the opposition in games where two wins it.

That's what multiple winning Rocket winners do.

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Maybe one fine day in the future the Leafs will average over 4 goals per game in the NHL playoffs and their goaltending will become less critical.

 

[socko]

It very clearly said 2.75 per was their offer prior to the season - which was more than fair.

Also Campbell had lengthy stretches this year where he looked very mediocre. The picture you’re trying to paint of Mrazek being forever bad and Campbell great isn’t reality.

Jack's a 0.915 guy and Mrazek's a 0.905 guy. That's the difference between a solid starter and a backup.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[trellaine201]

I love Campbell as a person etc but reality is he is weak mentally and gets injured frequently. Good backup or maybe 40 games.

 

[saltming]

Who do you want?

Fantasy pick shesterkin, I was praying a couple years ago that we could steal him from NY but that ship has sailed. Back then my backup plan was to steal sorokin, but see above.
If we are looking vet I would take a chance on quick. He is still incredibly sound positionally and mechanically. His style would gel with our defensive play Imo.

If we are making a throw of the dice pick, Gibson. Unless he's injured I believe he's just done with the ducks and the change of scenery will bring him back to form.

Other picks I'm big on: saros, bobrovsky, demko and my previous love Andersen.

If we are taking a chance on a young player that's not quite broken through yet, I would rather not, but Blackwood has the tools and still has the potential to take the step to be a starter. I think hart has been broken by the flyers, so not sure about him.

On the dark side we have Mackay signed to the AHL and I have my fingers crossed that he makes a quick transition to the pro game and become Ryan Miller 2.0 for us. It's a shot in the dark but if we get the right goalie coach he has immense potential, but the odds are against him starting the season with us.

That's an abbreviated list Hahaha and obviously I'm not taking into account how we aould acquire any of them or even if we could except the two obvious top ones.

 

[All Mod Cons]

We've already got the Toronto blogger media turning on Campbell and Ilya now it looks like they're going to test the market. Expect a lot of advanced stats now showing they weren't very good.

 

[Gallagbi]

Fantasy pick shesterkin, I was praying a couple years ago that we could steal him from NY but that ship has sailed. Back then my backup plan was to steal sorokin, but see above.
If we are looking vet I would take a chance on quick. He is still incredibly sound positionally and mechanically. His style would gel with our defensive play Imo.

If we are making a throw of the dice pick, Gibson. Unless he's injured I believe he's just done with the ducks and the change of scenery will bring him back to form.

Other picks I'm big on: saros, bobrovsky, demko and my previous love Andersen.

If we are taking a chance on a young player that's not quite broken through yet, I would rather not, but Blackwood has the tools and still has the potential to take the step to be a starter. I think hart has been broken by the flyers, so not sure about him.

On the dark side we have Mackay signed to the AHL and I have my fingers crossed that he makes a quick transition to the pro game and become Ryan Miller 2.0 for us. It's a shot in the dark but if we get the right goalie coach he has immense potential, but the odds are against him starting the season with us.

That's an abbreviated list Hahaha and obviously I'm not taking into account how we aould acquire any of them or even if we could except the two obvious top ones.

Quick seems like an idd pick given your Fleury questions given their age, recent play and Quick's salary. Bob too

 

[saltming]

Quick seems like an idd pick given your Fleury questions given their age, recent play and Quick's salary. Bob too

I understand why you say that.

In my mind I think quick, in peticular, would compliment our system and is a better goalie than MAF and I his compete level is higher. I feel the same way about Bob, but to a lesser extent.

I will acknowledge that my bias against MAF could be influencing me, but I just don't see him giving us that extra effort and I firmly believe those two are better options for us

Given age, I've never held that against MAF and salary? Well that's what rete tion is for or however dubas can figure that out

 

[Ianturnedbull]

They love our sloppy seconds, we all know how this plays out.

Isn't there a better/less crude way to express this?

It's not like TOR ****** Jack Campbell. They traded for him, and gave him an opportunity to play a significant role.

We have Muzzin and Campbell from LA. We have Boosh/Bunting from Arizona. Blackwell/Gio from Seattle. Are they all "Sloppy Seconds"?

Not every situation in life is like a Frat Party.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Their least desirable contract is a platoon goalie at 2 x 3.8m… they don’t have a “cap” problem. Edmonton has cap problems, minny has cap problems. Vancouver with the lu cap penalty & all those dead weight benning deals had a cap problem. The leafs just have a bunch of their cap committed, like most good teams.
They certainly do not have cap problems

We currently have just under 7M in cap space and need to sign 4 forwards, 2D and a starting goalie. That is a cap problem. Other teams that have cap problems have their cap balanced out to different positions.

We are constantly having to replace depth players with bargain bin players in FA. Some have worked out while most haven't. The good thing is we have a bunch of talented prospects coming down the line to provide us with solid depth at a cheap cost but it's still a question mark, not a guarantee. Our season this year hinges on goaltending. Pretty much every avenue we go down unless we acquire someone like Hellebuyck is going to be a huge question mark as well.

Our only way out of it is to move guys like Mrazek, Kerfoot, Holl and Muzzin. Even Tavares but I don't see that happening. There are teams that have contracts that are impossible to move or would be costly. I think our contracts are movable other than maybe Tavares but we do have cap troubles.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Sypher04]

I don’t really get the media pushing Husso.

He played well for the Blues. He’s also got exceptionally little experience and is a huge gamble if he gets ~4 mil like is rumoured

 

[ToneDog]

I don’t really get the media pushing Husso.

He played well for the Blues. He’s also got exceptionally little experience and is a huge gamble if he gets ~4 mil like is rumoured

I'd be willing to roll the dice for Dreiger money but maybe Ferraro has something when he says, go with the 2 cheapest reliable goalies and spend your money up front. That might be Dubas' thinking as well.

 

[Nylanderthal]

We currently have just under 7M in cap space and need to sign 4 forwards, 2D and a starting goalie. That is a cap problem. Other teams that have cap problems have their cap balanced out to different positions.

We are constantly having to replace depth players with bargain bin players in FA. Some have worked out while most haven't. The good thing is we have a bunch of talented prospects coming down the line to provide us with solid depth at a cheap cost but it's still a question mark, not a guarantee. Our season this year hinges on goaltending. Pretty much every avenue we go down unless we acquire someone like Hellebuyck is going to be a huge question mark as well.

Our only way out of it is to move guys like Mrazek, Kerfoot, Holl and Muzzin. Even Tavares but I don't see that happening. There are teams that have contracts that are impossible to move or would be costly. I think our contracts are movable other than maybe Tavares but we do have cap troubles.

Teams are usually turning over the bottom of the roster. Better to have the top end locked in and have to work around the edge.
Yeah, I would have loved to have found a Vasi shesterkin or makar in the draft, but where we picked at the top of the draft we took the correct player each time.
Moving guys like Holl Mrazek and kerfoot opens up another 9+ In cap space. It’s not nearly as dire as made out to be.

 

[Buds17]

I don’t really get the media pushing Husso.

He played well for the Blues. He’s also got exceptionally little experience and is a huge gamble if he gets ~4 mil like is rumoured

Age and UFA status would appear to work fairly well in Husso's favour. In spite of that, I'd likely still label him as being a risky acquisition at that AAV due to that relative lack of experience.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'd be willing to roll the dice for Dreiger money but maybe Ferraro has something when he says, go with the 2 cheapest reliable goalies and spend your money up front. That might be Dubas' thinking as well.

Unless you have one of the 6-8 guys at the top there’s no point in sinking significant cap into the net. It’s way too wildly unpredictable. Unless you have Sorokin shesterkin Vasi saros Hellebyuck Demko markstrom there’s literally no point in expending huge resources on the position cap or trade wise when the play from one season to the next is way too uneven.

 

[Nylanderthal]

We've already got the Toronto blogger media turning on Campbell and Ilya now it looks like they're going to test the market. Expect a lot of advanced stats now showing they weren't very good.

Neither were very good, not in relation to the the rest of the team (campbell specifically) mikheyev they could afford to retain but probably want a different look in the forward group considering playoff performance.
Some poverty franchise is going to give him ~$20m over 4-6 seasons because he has wheels and finished a little better than in seasons past, and that’s way too much for what he bring to this team.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Neither were very good, not in relation to the the rest of the team (campbell specifically) mikheyev they could afford to retain but probably want a different look in the forward group considering playoff performance.
Some poverty franchise is going to give him ~$20m over 4-6 seasons because he has wheels and finished a little better than in seasons past, and that’s way too much for what he bring to this team.

Perfect example.

 

[Stephen]

How about we flip Campbell's rights for PoolParty's rights?

Wonder if Holland is still taking Leaf calls after the Hyman drama.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Wonder if Holland is still taking Leaf calls after the Hyman drama.

Doesn't matter, Holland doesn't like going after true starting goalies.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Perfect example.

Perfect example of what? Neither player should be back based on salary expectations to role on the team/performance. Jack simply wasn’t good enough down the stretch and in the post season when it matters. Mikheyev doesn’t bring the elements the team lacks in the middle/bottom of the forward group. Neither should be retained damned the cost. What are you on about?

Doesn't matter, Holland doesn't like going after true starting goalies.

Campbell should be right up his alley then

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Teams are usually turning over the bottom of the roster. Better to have the top end locked in and have to work around the edge.
Yeah, I would have loved to have found a Vasi shesterkin or makar in the draft, but where we picked at the top of the draft we took the correct player each time.
Moving guys like Holl Mrazek and kerfoot opens up another 9+ In cap space. It’s not nearly as dire as made out to be.

I agree with all that but it's also a matter of the quality of depth you can afford. We've been signing over the hill vets like Simmonds and Thornton as well as reclamation projects.

Our draft picks were the right moves and being stacked at forward was the hand we were dealt but we could've also elected to not sign Tavares as it wasn't a need or we could've also chosen to move out say Nylander for a goalie or a dman to balance out the roster for example. I was as excited as anyone when we signed JT and when a player of that quality comes up as a UFA, I would say most GMs are taking that shot but he really wasn't a need. Personally I would try to move Nylander plus other pieces for Hellebuyck.

The parody around the NHL when it comes to the goalie market has me very skeptical about our chances. We desperately need to draft and develop a top end goalie. It's probably going to take another year before we get a huge boost from our upcoming prospects to give us quality depth as well.

Knies
Robertson
Amirov?
Holmberg
Hirvonen
Niemela
Kral

Etc.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I agree with all that but it's also a matter of the quality of depth you can afford. We've been signing over the hill vets like Simmonds and Thornton as well as reclamation projects.

Our draft picks were the right moves and being stacked at forward was the hand we were dealt but we could've also elected to not sign Tavares as it wasn't a need or we could've also chosen to move out say Nylander for a goalie or a dman to balance out the roster for example. I was as excited as anyone when we signed JT and when a player of that quality comes up as a UFA, I would say most GMs are taking that shot but he really wasn't a need. Personally I would try to move Nylander plus other pieces for Hellebuyck.

The parody around the NHL when it comes to the goalie market has me very skeptical about our chances. We desperately need to draft and develop a top end goalie. It's probably going to take another year before we get a huge boost from our upcoming prospects to give us quality depth as well.

Knies
Robertson
Amirov?
Holmberg
Hirvonen
Niemela
Kral

Etc.

they also signed kampf Kase bunting last off season who all worked out to varying degrees. If you’re going to mention just the bad signings I’ll be sure to add the good ones.
Agree that goaltending development needs to be stepped up, no way they move Willy for a goalie.
The prospects you listed are all recent picks, how many of their peers selected around them have made nhl impacts at this point? The lack of nhl ready elc contributors right now falls mostly to the drafts ran by hunter and Lou. We still have to see how fruitful if at all the more recent drafts will become. Early signs are pretty positive that we have some talent coming.

 

[rocketman588]

Interesting the wired trading for rights kick that the insider's have been suggesting.

In this case a trade if a RFA with one year left on his deal for Campbell's rights never made sense you're going to be paying him similar anyways might as well trade blackwood for like a 2 to 4 if you really want to do it