Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

[ChickenMcNugget]

what is the point of this ? i can show you examples of Vasilevsky and Keumper both doing this in the stanley cup final at different stages.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Whoa. Dreger was on Overdrive TSN saying that he thinks Campbell will get 6 million per (due to a weak goalie market). Holy Yikes!

Dreger is an idiot. Campbell is not even a proven #1.

 

[ACC1224]

what is the point of this ? i can show you examples of Vasilevsky and Keumper both doing this in the stanley cup final at different stages.

Leafs have a history of allowing those goals in big moments and not being able to overcome them.
No one would care if they came back from it.

 

[LOFIN]

Whoa. Dreger was on Overdrive TSN saying that he thinks Campbell will get 6 million per (due to a weak goalie market). Holy Yikes!

He absolutely won't get that number from anyone (except maybe the Oilers).

 

[ToneDog]

I like Varlamov but if you are willing to pay him $5m and the assets needed to acquire him why wouldn't you be willing to resign Soup around that number ?? Seems they want Soup to test the market and hope he decides he'd rather play for the Leafs at a discounted price.

 

[Leafs87]

Blackwood and Fleury would be my ideal situation.

That would require acquiring Blackwood(doable). Dumping Mrazek(might not be cheap) and signing Fleury which will depend on his salary expectations

 

[Sypher04]

Let me get this straight:

You gave perennial plug underachiever sieve useless bastard Mrazek $3.75 for 3 years.
You offer All-Star, dependable, likeable, loved by his team Campbell $2.75 per year.

Dubas will die by this sword

It very clearly said 2.75 per was their offer prior to the season - which was more than fair.

Also Campbell had lengthy stretches this year where he looked very mediocre. The picture you’re trying to paint of Mrazek being forever bad and Campbell great isn’t reality.

 

[Sypher04]

For Campbell's sake I hope he moves on to a team with an actual NHL goalie coach and a fanbase that isn't bipolar. He can be a good 1B somewhere and I'm sure he'll get a contract for around $4m.

For the Leafs' sake they need a more reliable #1. But I wouldn't be shocked if Toronto goes into the season with Mrazek as the #1 due to Dubas' ineptitude

I personally think if he was willing to sign for 4m it’d be done already. Media chatter seems to think his deal wherever he lands will start with a 5 and with his lack of track record, I’d be both hesitant to pay that, but also understanding of why he thinks he needs to get the most money possible. This could be it for him.

As for the rest of what you wrote, mostly ridiculous. Literally every fanbase is bi-polar. And largely because it’s different voices you’re hearing at different times.

Also Dubas has made mistakes, no doubt, but calling him inept is pretty offbase. There is no chance we start next season with Mrazek as our 1A, let alone starter.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Dreger must be accepting donations for some of his takes. Campbell getting 6M after the season he had would be pretty extreme. How many quotes from Sheldon this season did he basically say Campbell needed a break for his own sanity to refind his game?

 

[capfit9]

what is the point of this ? i can show you examples of Vasilevsky and Keumper both doing this in the stanley cup final at different stages.

game 7

 

[ITM]

Colorado is instructive to our situation in a couple of ways. And right now the name to remember is Philipp Grubauer.

Many will recall that Colorado's ultimate chances to contend hinged on re-signing Grubauer, so they said.

Rather than overpay Grubauer, Sakic opted for a reasonable replacement and the ability to address team depth.

Team depth should be our focus; Throw in a better sports psychologist or two in while we're at it, because whoever becomes our starter, he can't be expected to outscore the opposition in games where two wins it.

That's what multiple winning Rocket winners do.

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[Nylanderthal]

The leafs are in a desperate situation looking for a goaltender so of course this leads to all sorts of wild speculation.

The bottom line is that they have more of a cap problem than a goalie problem.

Solve the cap issue and you can sign an experienced goaltender not named Mrazek.

How do you solve the cap problem? First you fire the management team responsible for the cap hell in the first place. Secondly you trade or buy out some junk like Kerfoot, Holl and Muzzin. No return is expected but the cap space is the win.

Their least desirable contract is a platoon goalie at 2 x 3.8m… they don’t have a “cap” problem. Edmonton has cap problems, minny has cap problems. Vancouver with the lu cap penalty & all those dead weight benning deals had a cap problem. The leafs just have a bunch of their cap committed, like most good teams.
They certainly do not have cap problems

 

[Nylanderthal]

I like Varlamov but if you are willing to pay him $5m and the assets needed to acquire him why wouldn't you be willing to resign Soup around that number ?? Seems they want Soup to test the market and hope he decides he'd rather play for the Leafs at a discounted price.

Probably not a big asset request considering the islanders need to move cap space and Varly is kind of a waste of $5m with Sorokin there.
Plus you’re only committing to one year, soup you’re looking at 3-5 years I imagine.
If Varly isn’t reliable you can walk away in a season. If he’s good you can extend him. With soup you’re pot committed so to speak.

 

[hockeywiz542]

NHL Rumors: Oilers, Maple Leafs, Lightning, Wild, Rangers - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

NHL rumors: Oilers interested in Jack Campbell and Ville Husso, Lightning free agents, Wild trade, plus New York Rangers want in on Dubois.

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Oilers Leaning Towards Jack Campbell or Ville Husso?

With the news that so little headway has been made between the Toronto Maple Leafs and goaltender Jack Campbell, speculation is that the Edmonton Oilers might be eyeing Campbell in free agency and that he could be their top target. Sportsnet’s Mark Spector said while a guest on Oilers Now with Bob Stauffer that Edmonton has potentially identified Campbell as the best bet.

Spector noted that Holland has a history of not spending much on goalies, but that he’ll go after one if he thinks he can land that person in free agency. With Marc-Andre Fleury, John Gibson, and Semyon Varlamov all ruling out the Oilers, Campbell might be the best bet since the Oilers don’t think $5 million for Ville Husso is the best investment. They’d rather go with someone a bit more proven.

Spector and Stauffer also believe the Oilers may circle back on trying to land Darcy Kuemper out of Colorado because Kuemper won’t get from the Avs what he could get on the open market.

 

[thusk]

Im not surprising, i was alreary telling it... dont hope to get Campbell under 5M, its unrealistic ..

 

[saltming]

Blackwood and Fleury would be my ideal situation.

That would require acquiring Blackwood(doable). Dumping Mrazek(might not be cheap) and signing Fleury which will depend on his salary expectations

At this stage Fleury should be close to league minimum. I don't think he has much left in the tank

 

[Gallagbi]

At this stage Fleury should be close to league minimum. I don't think he has much left in the tank

~.910 or so last year, not sure why youd expect league minimum

 

[BayStBullies]

NHL Rumors: Oilers, Maple Leafs, Lightning, Wild, Rangers - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

NHL rumors: Oilers interested in Jack Campbell and Ville Husso, Lightning free agents, Wild trade, plus New York Rangers want in on Dubois.

thehockeywriters.com

Oilers Leaning Towards Jack Campbell or Ville Husso?

With the news that so little headway has been made between the Toronto Maple Leafs and goaltender Jack Campbell, speculation is that the Edmonton Oilers might be eyeing Campbell in free agency and that he could be their top target. Sportsnet’s Mark Spector said while a guest on Oilers Now with Bob Stauffer that Edmonton has potentially identified Campbell as the best bet.

Spector noted that Holland has a history of not spending much on goalies, but that he’ll go after one if he thinks he can land that person in free agency. With Marc-Andre Fleury, John Gibson, and Semyon Varlamov all ruling out the Oilers, Campbell might be the best bet since the Oilers don’t think $5 million for Ville Husso is the best investment. They’d rather go with someone a bit more proven.

Spector and Stauffer also believe the Oilers may circle back on trying to land Darcy Kuemper out of Colorado because Kuemper won’t get from the Avs what he could get on the open market.

They love our sloppy seconds, we all know how this plays out.

 

[Erndog]

At this stage Fleury should be close to league minimum. I don't think he has much left in the tank

Clearly all you're doing here is looking at his age

 

[saltming]

~.910 or so last year, not sure why youd expect league minimum

He only played 11 games. I will put it out there that would ve never been a fan of him. I do think he was a good goalie, just overrated.
I think he will put up over .900sv% but in the low end. Add that I don't think he can handle 30-40 games, what would you say that's worth?

Clearly all you're doing here is looking at his age

Nope

 

[Erndog]

He only played 11 games. I will put it out there that would ve never been a fan of him. I do think he was a good goalie, just overrated.
I think he will put up over .900sv% but in the low end. Add that I don't think he can handle 30-40 games, what would you say that's worth?


Nope

He played 56 games last year.

 

[saltming]

He played 56 games last year.

Oh ya he got traded at the deadline.
My bad. Thanks.
That does change my stance a bit but I'm still not a fan

 

[Erndog]

Oh ya he got traded at the deadline.
My bad. Thanks.
That does change my stance a bit but I'm still not a fan

He can handle of a full starters workload.... while putting up ~.910 (on a bad team).

Certainly worth far more than league minimum.

There are 32 teams, 65-70 goalies and he's still probably a top 15-20.

 

[saltming]

He can handle of a full starters workload.... while putting up ~.910 (on a bad team).

Certainly worth far more than league minimum.

There are 32 teams, 65-70 goals and he's still probably a top 15-20.

Ya like I said I change my stance on his salary but firstly I wouldn't want to go crazy in salary even if he can still handle the workload.
Secondly I think a .910 puts him square in the middle of the pack. I think we should aim higher
So I conceded the salary point but I'm still not wanting him on the team.

 

[Gallagbi]

Ya like I said I change my stance on his salary but firstly I wouldn't want to go crazy in salary even if he can still handle the workload.
Secondly I think a .910 puts him square in the middle of the pack. I think we should aim higher
So I conceded the salary point but I'm still not wanting him on the team.

Who do you want?