Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part VI: Someone Get Gorton A Vesey Button.
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The Rangers could end up with 4 first rounders in 2019.
Rangers pick.
TB pick if they win the Cup. That team has to break through eventually.
2015-Lost to the Hawks in the Cup final.
2016-Lost to Pittsburgh in the ECF in 7 after being up 3-2 in the series.
2017-Missed the playoffs.
2018-Lost to Washington in the ECF after being up 3-2 in the series.
Does TB make the Karlsson trade? They would need to move out money(Callahan) and that pick becomes a guaranteed 1st pick plus another asset or two in a trade with the Rangers. The Rangers have cap space even with signing Hayes and Spooner for one season. Chris Johnston of Sportsnet was on the NHL Network on Thursday. He thinks Ottawa will trade Karlsson before training camp begins. They don't want the Karlsson circus. He mentioned TB, Dallas and Vegas. Johnston also said Ottawa would like to move Ryan in that deal which gives VGK the edge. The other teams are waiting out Dorion. Camp open in 7 weeks. September 13. Season begins in 20 days after that date.
1st round pick for Hayes.
1st round pick for Zuccarello.
Rangers pick.
TB pick if they win the Cup. That team has to break through eventually.
2015-Lost to the Hawks in the Cup final.
2016-Lost to Pittsburgh in the ECF in 7 after being up 3-2 in the series.
2017-Missed the playoffs.
2018-Lost to Washington in the ECF after being up 3-2 in the series.
Does TB make the Karlsson trade? They would need to move out money(Callahan) and that pick becomes a guaranteed 1st pick plus another asset or two in a trade with the Rangers. The Rangers have cap space even with signing Hayes and Spooner for one season. Chris Johnston of Sportsnet was on the NHL Network on Thursday. He thinks Ottawa will trade Karlsson before training camp begins. They don't want the Karlsson circus. He mentioned TB, Dallas and Vegas. Johnston also said Ottawa would like to move Ryan in that deal which gives VGK the edge. The other teams are waiting out Dorion. Camp open in 7 weeks. September 13. Season begins in 20 days after that date.
1st round pick for Hayes.
1st round pick for Zuccarello.
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+ the likelihood of trading Hayes for a 1st and that 1st ending up being better than Hayes is pretty low. Same for Zuccarello, though his situation is a bit different because of his age. I don't trade Hayes. I sign him for 5-6 years.
* Edited - I just read the Larry Brooks article so I guess the Rangers feel the exact opposite of the way I do. Oh well.
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UAGoalieGuy
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+ the likelihood of trading Hayes for a 1st and that 1st ending up being better than Hayes is pretty low. Same for Zuccarello, though his situation is a bit different because of his age. I don't trade Hayes. I sign him for 5-6 years.
* Edited - I just read the Larry Brooks article so I guess the Rangers feel the exact opposite of the way I do. Oh well.
I mean this could be the Rangers using Brooks as negotiation tool like they have done in the past. He threw some specific numbers out there.
It's true Hayes has most of the balls in his court but they whole "dont want to commit that much term/money" and would explore a trade during the season screams it came from the Rangers front office.
May be they only want to commit to 4 years or to less money. This is all coming out right before his arbitration hearing.
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This. Hes a center and can play the wing as well. The biggest question mark is if he can produce away from players like Stamkos.
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I think if Hayes would accept 5.5 million he would have been signed already. 6 million for a player that hasn't scored 50 points in a season is too much, despite the improvements in his two way game.
I'm not quite sold that he'll produce more in another system. I think what we've seen is what we're getting; a decent 2nd line center that can match up against other teams' top 6 and do a respectable job, while putting up 40 to 45 points.
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I think what we are looking at is either the Rangers want less term than 5 or 6 years to start staggering contracts, less money (they might not want to go north of what they have Skjei) a combination of both, or they aren't sold/think hes a long term piece of this rebuild and fully intend to move for assets at the trade deadline.
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Ultimately, Hayes will have to decide whether he’ll accept the bridge or request a trade. My two cents, he will accept short term and return. The Rangers hold the cards here. Don’t blame Hayes camp for pushing the envelope, but he’s not getting a 5-6 year deal, nor should he.
As for all the Eklund E5-caliber trade proposals, you’re wasting your time and efforts.
Oh, and if you think Hayes will be humbled with his bridge deal, just wait for Spooner’s one-year. There’s no market. He too will be back.
As for all the Eklund E5-caliber trade proposals, you’re wasting your time and efforts.
Oh, and if you think Hayes will be humbled with his bridge deal, just wait for Spooner’s one-year. There’s no market. He too will be back.
They couldn't trade him the second he selected to go to arbitration.
Once that happens, the player is basically protected from being traded until he signs something.
Why would Hayes commit for less? He knows they want to trade him. He isn’t dumb. He sees they have so many centers in their organization. This has been has been going on months. This is his opportunity to get paid and not when he is 30.
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Yeah, I know how it works.
They’ve had a while to trade him before that point. It’s not like they didn’t have a clue what his salary demands were going to be
I’m not sure what possesses them to think trading him later, as opposed to before will yield more of a return
I don’t even want him gone
UAGoalieGuy
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I'm probably over thinking this but the Rangers could want to keep him in the org in case some of the kids dont realize their potential or cant play center but because of this dont want to pay him that center premium.
Hayes could be saying he wants $6MM per but the Rangers dont want to go north of say $4.75 or $5 because of this.
Or Hayes can just say F you I am not budging off of my demands because I've got a good idea some team will pay me. It's a risk though. Hes going to get tons of ice time and PP time but this team is going to be bad. His numbers might suffer as well as his play which in turn will hurt his value next summer.
Lots of variables here.
They may have tried, we don't know that they didn't.
Hell they may have gotten close and then he accepted the award which forced them to hold off.
Hayes should have been dealt at the draft or the day after the Tavares signing. This is what I’ve been says mg gorton did not get the job done and now he’s in no mans land. A late first rounder is garbage for Kevin Hayes at the deadline.
I’m amazed it’s august and we did not make a single move all summer. Amazed. Spooner Zucc namestnikov Hayes all still here? Never would have guessed that.
I’m amazed it’s august and we did not make a single move all summer. Amazed. Spooner Zucc namestnikov Hayes all still here? Never would have guessed that.
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At this time (right this very second, sincw his meeting is pending) can Hayes even be traded? Does there have to be the ruling for his arbitration and then we can trade him, or are we free to trade him?
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There's the "Gorton asleep at the wheel again" post we've been waiting for. You do realize you need 2 parties for a trade, right?
There has been 1(!) actual hockey trade since the draft and that's the O'Reilly trade. All the others are either minor league trades or cap dumps.
And there’s the it takes two to tango post I was waiting for.
That’s weak. It’s his job to find a partner and make a good deal. He hasn’t. Now he’s in a very tight spot
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Your criticism of Gorton is based on the assumption that a good deal is there if you look for it hard enough. That's not how the trade market works. If that was the case, we'd see more trades.
There has been 1 trade. 1! Don't expect some magical video-game off-season with trades happening each week.
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One year away from UFA Hayes understands what his market value is and it looks like he's not giving a discount.
Rangers have two choices--1) give him what he wants 2) trade him. If it's the second option--I'd be more inclined towards younger players/prospects than late round 1st's.
Keeping in mind taking him out of the picture will make the team quite a bit worse. It will put more pressure on guys like Andersson and Chytil. That could be a good thing but if either or both struggle and show they're not ready to take up the slack it won't be pretty.
Rangers have two choices--1) give him what he wants 2) trade him. If it's the second option--I'd be more inclined towards younger players/prospects than late round 1st's.
Keeping in mind taking him out of the picture will make the team quite a bit worse. It will put more pressure on guys like Andersson and Chytil. That could be a good thing but if either or both struggle and show they're not ready to take up the slack it won't be pretty.
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