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Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part VI: Someone Get Gorton A Vesey Button.

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NYRFAN218 said:
Well 1 year would be an unmitigated disaster.
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No, it was — as always is the case with Gorton — his last contract that was the disaster. Took him to a year from free agency.

I think Hayes want to stay here. What is the downside with a 1 year deal as opposed to 5.5m long term? If he really hit it off, develop insane chemistry with someone under Quinn, worst case we have to pay him 6.5m per next season. Right? Can’t be 7?

It’s not a big commitment.

Can’t we opt for a 2 year arbitration commitment? That would seem like better right?

His last contract should have been a 6 year deal instead of 2 years. Four more years would be left now. 3.75m per? Gorton is just so incompetent with these things...
 
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Tob said:
What is the official reasoning for trading Hayes anyway? He's still young and improving. We have options down the center but our center depth isn't great great.
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If you think you are bringing in a big name UFA eventually, someone has to go from the young group of players right now who are being paid or about to be paid in the 4-6M range. Seems like the team has decided they'll move Hayes instead of Zibanejad, Kreider, Skjei, Buchnevich.
 
While I would like to sign Hayes long term I can see the logic in giving him one year. It sets them up to deal him for more futures at the deadlines and gives Chytil/Andersson/Howden an unblocked path to future player time. If those three are not looking promising six months from now and Hayes is playing great (and the team is doing well) they could always look to extend him mid-season to solidify the center position going forward.

However, I personally think Hayes is a really good player and has the ability to put up really strong offensive numbers. I don't think 60 points is out of the question for him. He's just never really been given big ice time or PP time. My preference is to keep him long term. I think he can be a great two way 2C or if one of Chytil/Andersson/Howden shows they seem even better offensively I think he can be an excellent defensive 3C who can score. Basically a better Bonino or a Mike Fisher type.

In fact I think he will likely be underpaid on a long term deal because his usage has kept his counting numbers lower than they could be.
 
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What’s the plan with Zuccarello? Think he re-signs or gets traded before the deadline? If he’s traded, what do you guys think he’s worth?
 
Can't we sign him to a 5 or 6 year contract that he might not be worth and be stingy with the NTC NMC and just deal him whenever we see fit? If he's not in the long term plans of management age wise, he's still perfectly desirable for other teams and their agendas.
 
Tob said:
Can't we sign him to a 5 or 6 year contract that he might not be worth and be stingy with the NTC NMC and just deal him whenever we see fit? If he's not in the long term plans of management age wise, he's still perfectly desirable for other teams and their agendas.
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I guess their concern at the number hes looking at is 1. how much is his trade value at that length and cap number? and 2. what happens if he plateaus or even takes a step back this year?

And NTC/NMC could be an issue but Hayes isn't eligible to have one until year 2 of the contract anyway so he could be dealt before next July 1.
 
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Ola said:
No, it was — as always is the case with Gorton — his last contract that was the disaster. Took him to a year from free agency.

I think Hayes want to stay here. What is the downside with a 1 year deal as opposed to 5.5m long term? If he really hit it off, develop insane chemistry with someone under Quinn, worst case we have to pay him 6.5m per next season. Right? Can’t be 7?

It’s not a big commitment.

Can’t we opt for a 2 year arbitration commitment? That would seem like better right?

His last contract should have been a 6 year deal instead of 2 years. Four more years would be left now. 3.75m per? Gorton is just so incompetent with these things...
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There is huge downside with a 1 year deal, for one he'd be a UFA and he can walk. We're not in a position to be letting assets walk and penciling in 20 and 21 yo olds with the current 1C who can't seem to play out a full season is not smart or good for anyone's development. Thinking he want's to stay here is irrelevant when someone will throw a bunch of cash at him as a 27-yo UFA. We have the cap space now to lock him up for 4-5 years ideally, even overpay a bit to leave off any NTC clauses as with Skjei. He can play out as the 2C the next few seasons as Chytil/Howden/Anderson develop and move him then.

I totally agree though we should be signing more forwards long term as we should've with Stepan and as we did with Mac and now Skjei. I don't think its totally incompetence on Groton's part, it's been the team philosophy for years now plus we also didn't have cap room to overpay Hayes back then either. With plenty of cap space the next few years guys like Buch or Pionk might be inline to get longer term deals too.
 
Tob said:
Can't we sign him to a 5 or 6 year contract that he might not be worth and be stingy with the NTC NMC and just deal him whenever we see fit? If he's not in the long term plans of management age wise, he's still perfectly desirable for other teams and their agendas.
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No the team would rather rely on 3 unproven centers and pray they work out

The Rangers are the only team I know that had some of the best center depth in the league, then had some of the worst, back to some of the best, and will go back to one of the worst in the span of like 14-15 months
 
What’s everyone’s thought on the comparison of our three defensive prospects. How would you rank Hajek,
Lindgren and Rykov? Just interested.
 
Antman427 said:
What’s everyone’s thought on the comparison of our three defensive prospects. How would you rank Hajek,
Lindgren and Rykov? Just interested.
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Lindgren is the worst. Rykov over Hajek, but its close. Different players. Rykov is more of an offensive guy with some defensive potential. Hajek is more of a defensive guy with some offensive potential. I think Rykov has done slightly better as he's been pretty good playing for the best team outside the NHL. Hajek has been playing junior hockey. Neither "excels" in any area though, so I think there's a real question if either has top pairing potential.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Lindgren is the worst. Rykov over Hajek, but its close. Different players. Rykov is more of an offensive guy with some defensive potential. Hajek is more of a defensive guy with some offensive potential. I think Rykov has done slightly better as he's been pretty good playing for the best team outside the NHL. Hajek has been playing junior hockey.
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huh, I thought Rykov was a defensive shutdown defenseman?
 
Dude, where did all our Cap space go? We only got 15.5 mil in cap space left and still need to sign Spooner and Hayes. So if nobody is traded we only have about 7 or less mil in cap space.
 
Antman427 said:
What’s everyone’s thought on the comparison of our three defensive prospects. How would you rank Hajek,
Lindgren and Rykov? Just interested.
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It’s pretty close but at the same time very clear
Rykov
Hajek
Lindgren

Rykov is a 2 way player with decent offensive upside. Reminds me a bit of Orlov and I’d be stoked if he can end up like him. Very good defensively as well and no major flaws. I don’t see top pairing upside like Orlov but I can see a steady top 4 dman

Hajek is a defensive dman who gets very overrated around here. I can’t see much offensive upside but he’s solid defensively. Very unspectacular though and should likely end up a solid 4/5 dman though I’d be happy to be proven wrong

Lindgren I really like and I almost like him more than Hajek. Has untapped offensive potential and plays a very physical and steady game. I’ve thrown this comparison out there but he reminds me A LOT of Brendan Smith. Could be a great bottom pairing guy, 4D is very possible as well
 
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Winding up with Hayes on a one year deal to take him to group III would be interesting to say the least.

His ask isn't totally insane but not wanting to commit makes it clear the Rangers really like the group of centers they have coming up.
 
kovazub94 said:
Hayes: 5x$4.85
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Now Brooks saying 1 year . May as well trade him now. Jets ?

I was for dealing Hayes but started thinking he was going to get a long term deal

W Zib, Chytil,Andersson, Howden I can see why he’d move in a rebuild
 
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Matz03 said:
There is huge downside with a 1 year deal, for one he'd be a UFA and he can walk. We're not in a position to be letting assets walk and penciling in 20 and 21 yo olds with the current 1C who can't seem to play out a full season is not smart or good for anyone's development. Thinking he want's to stay here is irrelevant when someone will throw a bunch of cash at him as a 27-yo UFA. We have the cap space now to lock him up for 4-5 years ideally, even overpay a bit to leave off any NTC clauses as with Skjei. He can play out as the 2C the next few seasons as Chytil/Howden/Anderson develop and move him then.

I totally agree though we should be signing more forwards long term as we should've with Stepan and as we did with Mac and now Skjei. I don't think its totally incompetence on Groton's part, it's been the team philosophy for years now plus we also didn't have cap room to overpay Hayes back then either. With plenty of cap space the next few years guys like Buch or Pionk might be inline to get longer term deals too.
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Yeah, but my point was, how much money is people going to throw at him?

If Hayes want to stay here we can always get him to resign next summer. By just giving him what his agent think he will get on the market. We could have locked him up at 5.5m per today. How much ‘worse’ could it be next summer? 6m per? Sure. 7m per? Hayes must have had a sick sick season to get 7m per.

If he has an average year? Then I am sure we could resign him at 5.5m next summer to if we changed our minds. If he has a bad year, the price might even come down.
 
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