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Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part VI: Someone Get Gorton A Vesey Button.

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If they go 1 year it would be a disaster, he would know that he is on the outs and play like trash up until the deadline where we will be forced to sell him for cheaps and then he will go give his all for like 2 months and get a contract from Boston. They need to find a deal for him now, and ideally throw in ADA and get a first and a d prospect back. I would even try to just get Rasmus Andersson fromm Calgary and forget the 1st rounder. That kid is a stud and will become our top d prospect.
 
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TheKingsCourt said:
If they go 1 year it would be a disaster, he would know that he is on the outs and play like trash up until the deadline where we will be forced to sell him for cheaps and then he will go give his all for like 2 months and get a contract from Boston. They need to find a deal for him now, and ideally throw in ADA and get a first and a d prospect back. I would even try to just get Rasmus Andersson fromm Calgary and forget the 1st rounder. That kid is a stud and will become our top d prospect.
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I highly doubt that he'll purposely suck. Really can't believe that any NHL player will purposely suck.
 
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Go Away Staal said:
The thing is I think there would be a pretty good market for Hayes right now.

Winnipeg wants to add a C, Colorado could use one as well (and they finished 2nd in the Hayes sweeps), Montreal has been looking for a C for ever, etc.
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I could add 4-5 more teams to this list. Unfortunately those other teams do not have the same value on Hayes that the Rangers do. Tough choice. Do I trade now for less than optimum return or hold my cards until the trade deadline?
 
In my opinion the best move is to lock Hayes into the best number you can for 5 years. Feed him minutes and PP time the first half of the year with Zucc. Let the kids develop slowly behind him...maybe try Chytil on that LW.

Trade him at the TDL/draft before any protection kicks in. Big numbers plus cost certainty should net a decent haul.

There is obviously risk in this. Specifically if he does not meet expectations (dramatically) or gets injured. But I have no doubt Gorton has had conversations about him but couldn’t achieve an acceptable return. Maybe teams view his contract status as a risk. Maybe they are not sold on his performance. NYR stand to profit if they can find a way to reduce those risks in the equation.

What is the upside of a 1 year deal for the NYR? Only one I can see is it makes Hayes more attractive as a rental property to contenders. If he isn’t in the long term plans, he will be dealt at the TDL or next draft. Is there a scenario where he becomes completely immovable under a 5 year deal? I guess...but what is the probability of him flopping that bad if fed big minutes?

I read this as a posturing leak. I think it makes sense to sign him, but it should be as cheap as possible to facilitate moving him.
 
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The downside is signing Hayes to a long term contract and then trading him before any trade protection kicks in is twofold. His value can be diminished by any number of things including injury or performance. Even worse, there may not be the market a year from now that you anticipate today. I’ve never felt that the Rangers got a fair return for Stepan (several of my hockey friends vehemently disagree with me) but the facts are the was the best and perhaps only acceptable deal available. Teams weren’t lining up for Stepan. That could happen again.

Regrettably, the best option seems to be make a trade now.
 
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Signing Hayes to a one-year contract and then trading him at the deadline would be asinine.

If, for whatever reason, we don't want to sign him long term, then trade him now. Maybe we could even work some sort of sign and trade, and get great value.

Or, you know, we could also sign the very good 26-year old centre to the contract he deserves. If our kids force our hand in a few years, then so be it; Hayes will still have value then.
 
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GregSirico said:
I'd be shocked if they sign Hayes to 1Y deal.
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They don't have much of a choice if he or they don't want a long-term deal. Going to be sad to see him go, I think he never really was given a chance to reach his potential, instead being shoehorned into this 2-way, matchup guy instead of letting him run wild offensively.
 
You can sign Hayes to a 1 year arb. deal and then move him where he can sign an extension there
 
Well Brooks reported he wants $5.5M-$6.0M long term. If that's the case, and it sounds plausible, then I don't know if I'm giving it to him, either. I really wish he'd take the bridge, but I understand why that's not appealing to him.
 
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Go Away Staal said:
We can't trade him until he signs something.

IF he signs a 1 year deal he's as good as gone before camp starts IMO. You figure that what ever team that acquires him will want him so that they can negotiate on their own terms and get him locked up in January.
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Not true, we can trade him any time.....
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but for a player that has improved every year except his sophomore year, I don't understand why 5.5 long term is such a big deal (assuming there's no full NMC/NTC involved). He's pretty much done everything the organization has asked him to do - get in better shape, check. Get better defensively, check. Get better on faceoffs, check. As long as there's no full NMC/NTC, I can't imagine 5.5M would make it prohibitive to trade him in 2 or 3 years, since the cap will most likely be higher then than it is now.
 
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NYR1967 said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but for a player that has improved every year except his sophomore year, I don't understand why 5.5 long term is such a big deal (assuming there's no full NMC/NTC involved). He's pretty much done everything the organization has asked him to do - get in better shape, check. Get better defensively, check. Get better on faceoffs, check. As long as there's no full NMC/NTC, I can't imagine 5.5M would make it prohibitive to trade him in 2 or 3 years, since the cap will most likely be higher then than it is now.
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I imagine that NYR management took into account that both he and Miller are perennial no-shows during the postseason.

Regular season performance gets way overvalued in terms of how players are seen and paid, in my opinion. Everyone's offense dips in the postseason but for those who do best in that environment, that should be a big boost to their desirability on a building team.
 
Chris Drurys Weekend said:
I imagine that NYR management took into account that both he and Miller are perennial no-shows during the postseason.

Regular season performance gets way overvalued in terms of how players are seen and paid, in my opinion. Everyone's offense dips in the postseason but for those who do best in that environment, that should be a big boost to their desirability on a building team.
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You make a very good point, but I'd counter that we're most likely not going to be anywhere near the playoffs for the next season or two - why not sign him long term and keep him as 2c until you're absolutely sure beyond the shadow of a doubt that at least one of Chytil/Andersson/Howden is ready for the 2c role? Insulate the kids and make sure they develop correctly giving them ice time and matchups that will have a higher probability of success for them - building their confidence, while still having (IMO) a trade-able contract for when one (or more) of them is ready for the 2c role.
 
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Chris Drurys Weekend said:
I imagine that NYR management took into account that both he and Miller are perennial no-shows during the postseason.

Regular season performance gets way overvalued in terms of how players are seen and paid, in my opinion. Everyone's offense dips in the postseason but for those who do best in that environment, that should be a big boost to their desirability on a building team.
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Are you Tom Wilson's agent?
 
NYR Viper said:
This is a great point. For me, even st his salary, if he put up 35 points and played a solid 2-way game, he’s well worth the acquisition. If that’s the plan, then moving Hayes becomes easier
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He’s definitely a center and keeping him in my opinion as a 3C at a good price tag was a clear sign we were moving Hayes so we could run Zibanejad Chytil Namestnikov down the middle.

From what I can piece together we blew the Hamilton deal. Carolina made a better offer but we probably wanted to make a Hayes plus offer for Hamilton and Fox and it didn’t materialize. Gaudreau would have loved it. This is why I’m blaming gorton. He maybe overplayed his hand and Carolina swooped in. We read all the rumors he wanted a top 4 righty d and he wanted fox. He clearly just couldn’t make it work. I personally blame him I think he’s been lousy this offseason when he needed to be aggressive.

And now we’re in no mans land with Hayes.
 
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