DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Staal was a top-pairing defenseman for a decade? He hasnt been one since before McDonagh was on the team.
Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Will EK stay or will EK go?
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Amazing Kreiderman
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Kreider is better than a bunch of those players
Stepan is at least on par with a bunch of those players
Is Kadri, or Aho, really better than Stepan?
Is Lee, or Connor, or Nylander, or Trocheck better than kreider?
You seem to be suffering from the grass is greener syndrome
Amazing Kreiderman
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Yeah I was about to say he's only been in the league for about a decade.
He was a legitimate shut down guy for a few years though.
UAGoalieGuy
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How is Lundqvist irrelevant when you are saying the Rangers cannot find top talent in the draft? Stepan has a career ppg of 0.70. While not elite that's first line production.
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Because you don't need the best goalie in the league to win a Cup.
You need high end offensive talents. Plural.
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Yes I would take Kadri over Stepan. He scored 30 goals and 61 points as a 3rd line center. Stepan getting top line minutes never got that type of production.
Lee just scored 40 goals. Connor 30 as a rookie. Trocjeck 75 points behind Barkov.
Kreider never sniffed that type of production either.
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Lol PB, I’m not gonna get into semantics with you, but this is what you just posted on this same page: “The Rangers now market Hajek to us as a McDonagh replacement, which is unfair to Hajek who isn’t that caliber of player.”
Regardless, I agree that he’s not a McDonagh replacement, but he’s a very, very good prospect. You’ve pined for guys that know how to play defense, and congrats, you got him.
Regarding the transition aspect, that’s literally one of the most vital strategies in hockey. There’s numerous data and reports that link successful transition play to better defense, possession, and scoring. AV’s strategies were horrible in this regard because we always overcommitted on forechecks and backchecks and never focused on transitional offense and defense. We rarely moved the puck up ice in five man units and our neutral zone defending was non-existent. I’m very happy that we have guys that know how to be positionally sound in the neutral zone and are both good at carrying and moving the puck up ice.
DutchShamrock
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This is disingenuous. We've drafted, and stupidly traded 30 goal scorers. Amonte, Weight, Kovalev. Traded Savard.
The team has done poorly, but be honest.
Tawnos
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There are only two kinds of trades for some people: steals and fleeces. Or maybe three, steals, fleeces and equal.
The problem is that there’s a huge range between equal and steal or equal and fleece. What the Rangers got I would term “slightly below equal, but more than merely acceptable.” They didn’t get ripped off. In a different market with more bidders, perhaps they get more. I don’t have a problem with what they got.
DutchShamrock
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Again, you brought up the hart but you don't like examples that contradict your argument. Maybe the hart isn't a good indicator. Thanks for posting this, I enjoyed reading the whole thing.
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Hajek was #37 in 2016. His D+1 year was amazing. His WJC was amazing. His WHL play has been amazing. ... but forget about how he actually performs and plays...
He's a middle of the road prospect because of where he was drafted and what 'prospect writers' ranked him initially. I mean that's as concrete as it gets.
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I'm a fan of Hajek, but for McDonagh we should have gotten a solidified NHL ready young elite talent.
Like the Avs did with Girard for Turris.
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Hajek was also THNs top Lightning prospect in the 2017 Future Watch. Sergachev wasn’t in the organization yet, nor was Foote.
UAGoalieGuy
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What does not needing a elite goalie have to do with a team not drafting high end talent. The guy is a hall of Famer.
There is more to a center then just points. Kadri over Stepan is a stretch. Kadri, if traded, would not return what Stepan did.
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Ok, eliminate Kadri, Larkin, Lee, Connor. What about the rest of my list.
So much high end talent found outside the top 3 and the Rangers are still one of the only teams with nothing.
And Kreider isn't a high end talent. Rakell, Pastrnak, Forsberg, Stone, Marchand are high end talents.
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Nothing against you - but I’m looking forward to many choking on their own c*** after Kreider puts up a career year. Love everything I’ve seen and heard from this guy, post-injury. Believe he realizes it nearly all ended, he’s been given a new life. The switch has gone on. I think he puts it together in 18-19.
UAGoalieGuy
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Rakell has 1 season that separates him from Kreider. You have players listed that have have played 1 may be 2 seasons as well. Let's see if they keep up that production
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Fact is — unless either or both of Howden and Hajak really becomes really good NHLers for us — we didn’t get 2x value for Ryan McDonagh AND JT Miller as we got for rental Rick Nash. That is just not good.
None of the great Ds have hit the UFA market. And it’s very likely that none will either.
Further, everyone is complaining on McD having regressed. Well not in his skating, but sure, he didn’t play his best hockey with a broken hand...
If you are patient — you are going to get a really good return for a No 1 D over some kind of not so long period. If Hajak can become a really good top 2-3D, Howden can become a really solid top 9 forward, sure the trade is OK. But if not, it’s a complete and utter night mare of a trade. We would have traded our captain and No 1 D and a 50-60 pts young forward with an edge for an in essence high 2nd round pick and a high 3rd round pick.
So it comes down to Hajak and/or Howden. Or Namestnikov who clowned out his first months here, but who knows.
My argument? I am not even involved in the discussion you guys are having. I just saw Price being mentioned and took the opportunity to shit on him.
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That's how all trades work. If the prospects/picks you traded for do not 'pan-out', it's not good.
Hajek and Howden have been as good as they could possibly be in their D+1 years. They are on an upward trend.
Names shows flashes. I personally believe he will be a solid player for us.
Lindkvist and the 2019 pick are just the cherries on top.
pld459666
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I'm completely comfortable not knowing what we have and look forward to seeing who steps up and develops into more than what was expected and who falters.
What I do know, from years and years of failures is that chasing the star player is that I've had enough of that.
This rebuilding seems to have some folks worried
While we know chasing star players doesn't work (1 cup in 70+ years) we dont know how a true and legit rebuild will turn out.
This is absolutely an exciting time for the fans and organization.
What I do know, from years and years of failures is that chasing the star player is that I've had enough of that.
This rebuilding seems to have some folks worried
While we know chasing star players doesn't work (1 cup in 70+ years) we dont know how a true and legit rebuild will turn out.
This is absolutely an exciting time for the fans and organization.
People always trashed our coaches. But when did we last play ONE series in the play-offs where one of our forwards was the best forwards in the series? Like has it ever happened post 05 lockout? Against Atlanta in 06’?
Last P.O. Hoffman was so much better than our best forward, nobody we had was even remotely close. Against MTL Radulov was much better than anyone we had. Our forwards has never come close to being the best against Washington and Pittsburgh, and it’s not because they had super stars, nobody had a good series. And so forth and so forth.
We haven’t had much talent up front in a really long time. Hence why I was really bummed when we passed on Mittlestad. But I love the Kravtsov pick, I have a hard time seing Wahlstrom ever becoming a player that can carry things in a P.O. series, maybe bang home a few pucks but never be someone that can take over the play even for short stretches.
We need to get more talent.
Rick Nash was a sick talent, in many areas. But he just couldn’t feed of his linemates. We never played him with a good center either. A one man show can always be stopped in the POs. Nash in general had zero ability to adopt. He reminded me so much of Mik Renberg when he came home to the SHL. Renberg was a force of nature in the SHL, was so fun to watch, nobody could stop him. 220 lbs, so fast, so good at driving at the net. As he lost some of his speed he lost his entire game though. He could only play that drive to the net with power move style. After like 3 years or whatever he was a 4th lineer in the SHL before he retired. The great guys can adopt. Jagr litterary scores zero goals with his slapper when he was young. Drive to net, passing game, wrist shots. Then when he becomes a little slower Gonchar learns him to use his slap shot in Washington. In NY he scores 50+ goals of which half was slap shots. A game he didn’t have at all 5 years early in his late 20s. Great players can adjust, Nash wasn’t a great player.
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