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Bjorkstrand is an awful trade... he continues to get better and works hard

When he got to Portland he (small exaggeration warning) couldn't skate
 
hamzarocks said:
Unless a team really values saving on money, Kerfoot is basically untradable

A significantly better player (two if you look at Pac-man from VGK) got dumped for a 3rd and a 4th.

Thought Kerfoot could bring a 2nd+ back.

Doesn't seem likely now
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Most teams don't have 5.4m and 7m in free cap space to add a good player, hence why they went for nothing, and yes, actual dollars matter to a lot of teams in the NHL, so 750k for a middle six forward is good value to those teams.
 
Now that's how an NHL GM uses leverage to make a trade with a team that needs to make a trade.

I don't think this means Kerfoot is untradeable. It means that Kerfoot isn't worth very much at all on the trade market. We can deal with that. Could try waivers too.
 
justashadowof said:
Now that's how an NHL GM uses leverage to make a trade with a team that needs to make a trade.

I don't think this means Kerfoot is untradeable. It means that Kerfoot isn't worth very much at all on the trade market. We can deal with that. Could try waivers too.
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Due to the difference in their contracts, their value isn't really correlated at all.

Bjorkstrand had 7 more points than Kerfoot. Also makes 2 million more and has 4 years term.
 
Fogelhund said:
You don't understand why Columbus had to do this, do you?
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They overpaid for Laine and Gudbranson

They didn't have to do this, their GM screwed up resulting in losing a top line winger for peanuts

Gave 4M to a 1M player in Gudbranson, then gave 8.7M by 4 to Laine when he's worth around 7M on a 4 year deal.

They overpaid those two by 4.5M. Bjorkstrand makes 5.4M. Could have fit him in pretty easily if they ran a 21/22 man roster, but their GM messed up

LeafChief said:
Due to the difference in their contracts, their value isn't really correlated at all.

Bjorkstrand had 7 more points than Kerfoot. Also makes 2 million more and has 4 years term.
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Do you really think Kerfoot would put up 57 pts in 82 games on the CBJ? Like honestly?

We saw what he was two years before this season. He's never been an offensive catalyst.

Kerfoot got propped up heavily by 88 and 91

4 years term would be amazing. 5.4M for a 60pt winger whose solid defensively and can play on the PP would have been great value.

I don't fault Dubas for not making the move today, as it came out of no where, but wish we'd have been more active and moved holl/kerfoot or whomever it is we are going to trade later in the offseason so we could have been in on a potential trade like this or a Niederreiter type signing
 
hamzarocks said:
They overpaid for Laine and Gudbranson

They didn't have to do this, their GM screwed up resulting in losing a top line winger for peanuts

Gave 4M to a 1M player in Gudbranson, then gave 8.7M by 4 to Laine when he's worth around 7M on a 4 year deal.

They overpaid those two by 4.5M. Bjorkstrand makes 5.4M. Could have fit him in pretty easily if they ran a 21/22 man roster, but their GM messed up


Do you really think Kerfoot would put up 57 pts in 82 games on the CBJ? Like honestly?

We saw what he was two years before this season. He's never been an offensive catalyst.

Kerfoot got propped up heavily by 88 and 91

4 years term would be amazing. 5.4M for a 60pt winger whose solid defensively and can play on the PP would have been great value.

I don't fault Dubas for not making the move today, as it came out of no where, but wish we'd have been more active and moved holl/kerfoot or whomever it is we are going to trade later in the offseason so we could have been in on a potential trade like this or a Niederreiter type signing
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I don't know what Kerfoot would do on Columbus. He's never played there.

What I do know is that comparing Kerfoot and Bjorkstrand's trade value when they put up similar points last year but their contracts are so wildly different (Kerfoot is owed $750k in salary this year) is not a genuine comparison.

I don't think it's out of the question that Kerfoot returns a 3rd and a mid-level prospect. People wnat to pretend this Bjorkstrand trade means Kerfoot has negative value.
 
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Fogelhund said:
LMAO. You are legitimately mad that Dubas didn’t put us in a cap position that we would have to basically give away Nylander for free? Think people.
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Don't have a lot of love for Dubas but we're already not that great in our cap situation, wouldn't have wanted to add more issues.
 
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hamzarocks said:
They overpaid for Laine and Gudbranson

They didn't have to do this, their GM screwed up resulting in losing a top line winger for peanuts

Gave 4M to a 1M player in Gudbranson, then gave 8.7M by 4 to Laine when he's worth around 7M on a 4 year deal.

They overpaid those two by 4.5M. Bjorkstrand makes 5.4M. Could have fit him in pretty easily if they ran a 21/22 man roster, but their GM messed up


Do you really think Kerfoot would put up 57 pts in 82 games on the CBJ? Like honestly?

We saw what he was two years before this season. He's never been an offensive catalyst.

Kerfoot got propped up heavily by 88 and 91

4 years term would be amazing. 5.4M for a 60pt winger whose solid defensively and can play on the PP would have been great value.

I don't fault Dubas for not making the move today, as it came out of no where, but wish we'd have been more active and moved holl/kerfoot or whomever it is we are going to trade later in the offseason so we could have been in on a potential trade like this or a Niederreiter type signing
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Point being you are trying to send them Kerfoot… and even after moving Bjork for nothing they are over the cap. We don’t have the room for Bjork or Nino.
 
LeafChief said:
I don't know what Kerfoot would do on Columbus. He's never played there.

What I do know is that comparing Kerfoot and Bjorkstrand's trade value when they put up similar points last year but their contracts are so wildly different (Kerfoot is owed $750k in salary this year) is not a genuine comparison.
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Kerfoots biggest positive is his salary. Its why we might be able to get a solid return for him

He was a 35 pt player the first two years in Toronto. Doubt any buyer will consider him a 50 pt player.

If his value was high he probably would have been dealt at the Draft for a late 1st.

Its looking like we'll need to hope for a 2nd or maybe a 3rd and a 4th as time moves. Better players than Kerfoot are being given away.

To a contender, 3.5M cap for a 35-40 pt forward won't be worth paying heavy assets for.

The teams who'd value his salary (yotes, sens, ducks, sabres) are probably not going to trade for him once they've worked through their team's cap management and budgets.

Fogelhund said:
Point being you are trying to send them Kerfoot… and even after moving Bjork for nothing they are over the cap. We don’t have the room for Bjork or Nino.
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They're over the cap on a 24 man roster.

Plus that trade for Kerfoot was mostly from a leafs fan POV. If Bjorkstrad was dealt for reasons other than Cap, the Jackets would entertain other teams offers before a Sandin + 1st deal, as they have several quality D prospects and current d-men

We haven't had room for anyone besides role players. Wanted to see a decent upgrade to the team this year but we're sticking with similar names and faces, at least as of today.
 
hamzarocks said:
Kerfoots biggest positive is his salary. Its why we might be able to get a solid return for him

He was a 35 pt player the first two years in Toronto. Doubt any buyer will consider him a 50 pt player.

If his value was high he probably would have been dealt at the Draft for a late 1st.

Its looking like we'll need to hope for a 2nd or maybe a 3rd and a 4th as time moves. Better players than Kerfoot are being given away.

To a contender, 3.5M cap for a 35-40 pt forward won't be worth paying heavy assets for.

The teams who'd value his salary (yotes, sens, ducks, sabres) are probably not going to trade for him once they've worked through their team's cap management and budgets.


They're over the cap on a 24 man roster.

Plus that trade for Kerfoot was mostly from a leafs fan POV. If Bjorkstrad was dealt for reasons other than Cap, the Jackets would entertain other teams offers before a Sandin + 1st deal, as they have several quality D prospects and current d-men

We haven't had room for anyone besides role players. Wanted to see a decent upgrade to the team this year but we're sticking with similar names and faces, at least as of today.
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I'd argue a 2nd for Kerfoot is probably a pretty good return for the Leafs.

Bjorkstrand hit 50 points this season for the first time. I guess he's not a 50 point player either. 2 of his last four seasons he had 36 points.

They're also the same age.
 
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WTFMAN99 said:
Don't have a lot of love for Dubas but we're already not that great in our cap situation, wouldn't have wanted to add more issues.
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I don’t care who the GM is, I want the Leafs to succeed. Dubas is currently the GM, so I want him to succeed, not because I like him, but because I like the Leafs. If this group doesn’t have success of some sort in the playoffs, changes must happen
 
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Fogelhund said:
I don’t care who the GM is, I want the Leafs to succeed. Dubas is currently the GM, so I want him to succeed, not because I like him, but because I like the Leafs. If this group doesn’t have success of some sort in the playoffs, changes must happen
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Feel like we said that after the Montreal series though and here we are.
 
LeafChief said:
I'd argue a 2nd for Kerfoot is probably a pretty good return for the Leafs.

Bjorkstrand hit 50 points this season for the first time. I guess he's not a 50 point player either. 2 of his last four seasons he had 36 points.

They're also the same age.
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Bjorkstrand had 36 in 49, and 44 in 56. Overall has 137 pts the past three years in 185 games, good for 61 pts/82 on the 22nd-best offensive team in the league since 2019-2020

Kerfoot has 102 pts in 193 games, good for 43 pts/82 games on a top 5 offense. Yeah kerfoot does not really play on the PP, but Bjorkstrad has had worse linemates in the timeframe (2019-2022)

I don't see them as similar players at all. Once Kerfoot is dealt/leaves as a UFA, we won''t hear much about him. He's a vanilla player, a poor man's Bozak.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Feel like we said that after the Montreal series though and here we are.
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Some people did. That was premature IMO. It takes time for some younger players to learn how to win, and it was obvious to me that they didn’t. Changing mgmt or a few pieces wasn’t going to change that. This playoffs was Matt’s first real time he played playoff hockey. Now he needs to drag the others to do the same.
 
hamzarocks said:
Bjorkstrand had 36 in 49, and 44 in 56. Overall has 137 pts the past three years in 185 games, good for 61 pts/82 on the 22nd-best offensive team in the league since 2019-2020

Kerfoot has 102 pts in 193 games, good for 43 pts/82 games on a top 5 offense. Yeah kerfoot does not really play on the PP, but Bjorkstrad has had worse linemates in the timeframe (2019-2022)

I don't see them as similar players at all. Once Kerfoot is dealt/leaves as a UFA, we won''t hear much about him. He's a vanilla player, a poor man's Bozak.
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Kerfoot was one of the few players that stepped up when Tavares suffered his concussion in the playoffs.

50 point players don't grow on trees. With that said I don't imagine Blue Jackets fans will be talking about Bjorkstrand either. They have a lot more to be excited about.
 
LeafChief said:
Kerfoot was one of the few players that stepped up when Tavares suffered his concussion in the playoffs.

50 point players don't grow on trees. With that said I don't imagine Blue Jackets fans will be talking about Bjorkstrand either. They have a lot more to be excited about.
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He also was pretty poor vs Tampa with 2 pts in 7 games, and some costly turnover/penalties.

Their fans are pretty upset with their GM for the dumb Gudbranson signing and then having to deal with Bjorkstrand for nothing. If they were going to move him, should've done so at the draft or right first day of UFA. They kept him to long and lost out on trade candidates.

Probably kerfoot's last year as a leaf, so hopefully he has a good year and we can part ways mutually
 
hamzarocks said:
He also was pretty poor vs Tampa with 2 pts in 7 games, and some costly turnover/penalties.

Their fans are pretty upset with their GM for the dumb Gudbranson signing and then having to deal with Bjorkstrand for nothing. If they were going to move him, should've done so at the draft or right first day of UFA. They kept him to long and lost out on trade candidates.

Probably kerfoot's last year as a leaf, so hopefully he has a good year and we can part ways mutually
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I'd rather he's traded. Time to stop having valuable players walk as UFAs at some point. Kerfoot and Holl should both be moved before training camp.
 
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