GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022

[SeaOfBlue]

If you can get any of them at a million they do the exact same job as holl but you save a buck

Stone maybe stralman might do league min

They can't so it as well as Holl though, so they wouldn't be doing the exact same job. The idea would be that it would allow for Sandin to play every day, and these guys would be a #7 who can still play a good amount of minutes.

 

[conFABulator]

The more I look at this, the more I think the Leafs have to move both Hill and Kerfoot.

If they just trade Holl and sign Sandin that $2M we just make it under the cap with a 20 man roster.

That roster would have some issues too. We would be relying on three of Robertson, Gaudette, Anderson, Malgin and Steeves to regulars. Our D would have RD/LD balance issues and would only be 6 deep.

A 20 man roster cannot be a consideration. Any minor injuries or illnesses and we would have to play short handed.

Now, if we trade Kerfoot and Hill and sign Sandin for $2M, we would have about $3.5M to fill some hole, including the one created by Kerfoot's departure.

Here is where we could go bargain shopping and hope quantity helps with a quality gap.

How about trading Holl for a pick and Kerfoot to the Canucks for Schenn and a pick. This leaves us $3.5M for a few forwards. ZAR @ 1.3? Steel at 900K? Maybe even Gagner at 750K?

Bunting / Matthews / Nylander
Robertson / Tavares / Marner
Engvall / Kampf / Jarnkrok
ZAR / Steel or Gagner / NAK
Steel or Gagner

Rielly / Brodie
Muzzin / Schenn
Giordano / Liljegren
Sandin

Call ups: Gaudette, Anderson, Malgin, Benn, Mete, Kallgren

I don't know if those are the guys we would sign or if that trade works. But we can't just trade Holl and sign Sandin. We can't have a 20 man roster

 

[andora]

They can't so it as well as Holl though, so they wouldn't be doing the exact same job. The idea would be that it would allow for Sandin to play every day, and these guys would be a #7 who can still play a good amount of minutes.

I am fairly certain we could get the same quality out of those names.. stats could be worth looking up to see how they compare.. but i dont think stone played many games reg season / but looked great relatively in the playoffs. Stralman was on a horrific team and subban played on a steady defensive jersey team

Again fairly confident any of those three could do what holl does on a top team and cheaper.

The more I look at this, the more I think the Leafs have to move both Hill and Kerfoot.

If they just trade Holl and sign Sandin that $2M we just make it under the cap with a 20 man roster.

That roster would have some issues too. We would be relying on three of Robertson, Gaudette, Anderson, Malgin and Steeves to regulars. Our D would have RD/LD balance issues and would only be 6 deep.

A 20 man roster cannot be a consideration. Any minor injuries or illnesses and we would have to play short handed.

Now, if we trade Kerfoot and Hill and sign Sandin for $2M, we would have about $3.5M to fill some hole, including the one created by Kerfoot's departure.

Here is where we could go bargain shopping and hope quantity helps with a quality gap.

How about trading Holl for a pick and Kerfoot to the Canucks for Schenn and a pick. This leaves us $3.5M for a few forwards. ZAR @ 1.3? Steel at 900K? Maybe even Gagner at 750K?

Bunting / Matthews / Nylander
Robertson / Tavares / Marner
Engvall / Kampf / Jarnkrok
ZAR / Steel or Gagner / NAK
Steel or Gagner

Rielly / Brodie
Muzzin / Schenn
Giordano / Liljegren
Sandin

Call ups: Gaudette, Anderson, Malgin, Benn, Mete, Kallgren

I don't know if those are the guys we would sign or if that trade works. But we can't just trade Holl and sign Sandin. We can't have a 20 man roster

Keefoot to vancouver no go

Van has to clear a couple of their own forwards to clear money themselves

Kerfoot provides them with nothing they dont already have

 

[stickty111]

Listened to the Leafs part of CJ's podcast. He said the obvious that it looks like another shoe is to drop after the signings. Isn't sure if it's Holl or Kerfoot. He said more forwards are still possible the Leafs sign.

He also looked to have a bit slip of the tongue moment. He was talking about Jankrok being a different signing than the rest of it being a 4 year deal while the rest of the FA's have been one year deals, and said Leafs don't want too much money tied up since Nylander's deal expires in 2 years, and here is the slip of the tongue comment, he said Matthews extension will also kick in at that time. Not sure if he did that by accident, but notice he said extension kicks in, not expires. I guess it's not surprising but you know Leafs priority on July 1st next year is Matthews signed. I know you can't discuss extension before that time but CJ seems to hint Leafs have already planned it out.

 

[LeafChief]

I'd like to know which teams Stastny is considering and how low he will actually go with AAV. He's said he wants to take a pay cut to play for a good team.

 

[freshwind]

he said Matthews extension will also kick in at that time. Not sure if he did that by accident, but notice he said extension kicks in, not expires. I guess it's not surprising but you know Leafs priority on July 1st next year is Matthews signed. I know you can't discuss extension before that time

not 100% sure, but I believe you can negotiate as of January 1st and agree to a deal but cannot sign it until July 1 ... I stand to be corrected if someone knows the details of the cba

 

[Jacquestrapless]

I'd give Sandin $2.3M if he went to four years instead of 3. He'd still be RFA, right?

 

[Stephen]

Listened to the Leafs part of CJ's podcast. He said the obvious that it looks like another shoe is to drop after the signings. Isn't sure if it's Holl or Kerfoot. He said more forwards are still possible the Leafs sign.

He also looked to have a bit slip of the tongue moment. He was talking about Jankrok being a different signing than the rest of it being a 4 year deal while the rest of the FA's have been one year deals, and said Leafs don't want too much money tied up since Nylander's deal expires in 2 years, and here is the slip of the tongue comment, he said Matthews extension will also kick in at that time. Not sure if he did that by accident, but notice he said extension kicks in, not expires. I guess it's not surprising but you know Leafs priority on July 1st next year is Matthews signed. I know you can't discuss extension before that time but CJ seems to hint Leafs have already planned it out.

Yeah I would hope the Leafs are cheating on re-signing Matthews. If ever there was a time to break the rules, its for your guy.

 

[SprDaVE]

Listened to the Leafs part of CJ's podcast. He said the obvious that it looks like another shoe is to drop after the signings. Isn't sure if it's Holl or Kerfoot. He said more forwards are still possible the Leafs sign.

He also looked to have a bit slip of the tongue moment. He was talking about Jankrok being a different signing than the rest of it being a 4 year deal while the rest of the FA's have been one year deals, and said Leafs don't want too much money tied up since Nylander's deal expires in 2 years, and here is the slip of the tongue comment, he said Matthews extension will also kick in at that time. Not sure if he did that by accident, but notice he said extension kicks in, not expires. I guess it's not surprising but you know Leafs priority on July 1st next year is Matthews signed. I know you can't discuss extension before that time but CJ seems to hint Leafs have already planned it out.

Teams can talk contract extension all they want and verbally agree to anything while the player is under their rights. They just can't sign anything officially.

I think the first thing the Leafs do is get the contract ready to sign for July 1st 2023.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Listened to the Leafs part of CJ's podcast. He said the obvious that it looks like another shoe is to drop after the signings. Isn't sure if it's Holl or Kerfoot. He said more forwards are still possible the Leafs sign.

He also looked to have a bit slip of the tongue moment. He was talking about Jankrok being a different signing than the rest of it being a 4 year deal while the rest of the FA's have been one year deals, and said Leafs don't want too much money tied up since Nylander's deal expires in 2 years, and here is the slip of the tongue comment, he said Matthews extension will also kick in at that time. Not sure if he did that by accident, but notice he said extension kicks in, not expires. I guess it's not surprising but you know Leafs priority on July 1st next year is Matthews signed. I know you can't discuss extension before that time but CJ seems to hint Leafs have already planned it out.

Yeah I would hope the Leafs are cheating on re-signing Matthews. If ever there was a time to break the rules, its for your guy.

Teams can talk contract extension all they want and verbally agree to anything while the player is under their rights. They just can't sign anything officially.

I think the first thing the Leafs do is get the contract ready to sign for July 1st 2023.

Might be CJ assuming the Leafs are banking on the signing being in place and that the Leafs have generally avoided having contracts run into that period of time. I mean...it's far more rare that the guy walks then not historically, right?

That being said, if you're Toronto, you're starting early on this with his agent, be aggressive.

If Matthews is nice, it'll be something crazy front loaded but maybe 12.5M AAV if he's appreciated the Leafs paying top dollar right away to him. If he wants his due, 14M AAV is about what I expect.

I think you're looking at 12.5-14M, full NMC, all signing bonuses and likely the captaincy...at some point through the year it just felt like the team was more Matthews than Tavares.

 

[michi510]

Teams can talk contract extension all they want and verbally agree to anything while the player is under their rights. They just can't sign anything officially.

I think the first thing the Leafs do is get the contract ready to sign for July 1st 2023.

Sure hope so. If he signs, I hope the captain rightfully transitions to Matthews, much like how San Jose did it all those years ago with Marleau/Thornton/Pavelski.

JT has done an okay job so far. But we all know this is Matthews team now. It has been for 2 years already.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Sure hope so. If he signs, I hope the captain rightfully transitions to Matthews, much like how San Jose did it all those years ago with Marleau/Thornton/Pavelski.

JT has done an okay job so far. But we all know this is Matthews team now. It has been for 2 years already.

He likely would have gotten the C if not for that mooning incident.

 

[Coachcorner]

So many of y'all is inserting zach ashton-reese the 231 time hitter in 69 games on there

Lets see if our gm follow the protocol. Should get him, a hard one he is and there aren't a lot of those bones

 

[conFABulator]

I am fairly certain we could get the same quality out of those names.. stats could be worth looking up to see how they compare.. but i dont think stone played many games reg season / but looked great relatively in the playoffs. Stralman was on a horrific team and subban played on a steady defensive jersey team

Again fairly confident any of those three could do what holl does on a top team and cheaper.


Keefoot to vancouver no go

Van has to clear a couple of their own forwards to clear money themselves

Kerfoot provides them with nothing they dont already have

Yeah, I thought they might be up against it and wasn't sure how easily they could move something out. Thanks.

The point remains though. Trade Kerfoot somewhere else for just a pick then. Not taking Schenn back give us another $850K. Subban? Strahlman?

 

[andora]

So many of y'all is inserting zach ashton-reese the 231 time hitter in 69 games on there

Lets see if our gm follow the protocol. Should get him, a hard one he is and there aren't a lot of those bones

Can you answer me honestly do you speak like this in real life? If so awesome. If not, start

 

[LeafChief]

Can you answer me honestly do you speak like this in real life? If so awesome. If not, start

Please don't disrespect the King.

 

[KPLeafs]

My biggest reason for wanting to trade Holl and Kerfoot is to A. sign Sandin it would be a mistake to keep Holl over him and then we absolutely need a different mix in the top 6, Kerfoot is a usfule player but he doesn't bring a different dynamic to the top 9, Ideally we'd bring in Nino because he is exactly the style we need... but I'm assuming someone is going to give him 5.5mill.. who else is out there that can fit that style? maybe trade for Crouse.
IDK just wanna see a different mix to get me excited and we need it for the playoffs

 

[jaric1862]

Looking at the amount of teams that need to clear cap space, I can't imagine the Leafs would get much of anything for Holl.

 

[andora]

Please don't disrespect the King.

I had no intention of.. i love his stuff

 

[justashadowof]

Sandin really should consider taking some guaranteed money and term. He's already had that knee injury and the way he plays will put him in danger of injury again.

 

[stickty111]

not 100% sure, but I believe you can negotiate as of January 1st and agree to a deal but cannot sign it until July 1 ... I stand to be corrected if someone knows the details of the cba

Teams can talk contract extension all they want and verbally agree to anything while the player is under their rights. They just can't sign anything officially.

I think the first thing the Leafs do is get the contract ready to sign for July 1st 2023.

Learn something new every day. Thanks

 

[Dreakmur]

Yeah I would hope the Leafs are cheating on re-signing Matthews. If ever there was a time to break the rules, its for your guy.

Don’t think there are any rules about negotiating with a guy you control. They just can’t sign the new deal until the last year of his current contract has begun.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Might be CJ assuming the Leafs are banking on the signing being in place and that the Leafs have generally avoided having contracts run into that period of time. I mean...it's far more rare that the guy walks then not historically, right?

That being said, if you're Toronto, you're starting early on this with his agent, be aggressive.

If Matthews is nice, it'll be something crazy front loaded but maybe 12.5M AAV if he's appreciated the Leafs paying top dollar right away to him. If he wants his due, 14M AAV is about what I expect.

I think you're looking at 12.5-14M, full NMC, all signing bonuses and likely the captaincy...at some point through the year it just felt like the team was more Matthews than Tavares.

This seems like a pretty reasonable guess as to what Matthews will cost us. I mean I've seen a few people say 16 million but I figure they're either paranoid, clueless or just trying to stir up some shit.

There's always something to be said for keeping it real IMHO.

 

[justashadowof]

Slightly off topic but I can't come up with a single reason why a team and a player shouldn't be allowed to sign an extension 2, 3, 4 years ahead of the expiration of the current deal.

 

[saffronleaf]

Teams can talk contract extension all they want and verbally agree to anything while the player is under their rights. They just can't sign anything officially.

I think the first thing the Leafs do is get the contract ready to sign for July 1st 2023.

hold a press conference on the same day and make him captain