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SA16 said:
Yea the Lightning must have some super secret stat that nobody else in the world his figured out and they know that Girardi is actually a very good player.

"Internal stats" from individual teams is one of the most overrated things out there.

And saying stats are "based on shots alone" indicates you have no idea what you're talking about with regards to the stats.
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Or it's the opposite? That you have no idea what you are talking about? Most of the stats people refer to when trashing Girardi were based on shots, shots attempt etc.

Did I say that Girardi was a very good player? No I said that there are in fact different areas of the game when coaches have other objectives than getting rubber on the net. There are many people who believes they can get an advantage because despite not understanding the game they can read an excel sheet and create graphs. And sure -- you can understand a lot of things from that source. But it gets problematic when you try to shut out all other sources.

There are definitely areas of the game where Girardi has done a good job for a long time. But if you feel a need to confirm that the few metrics you look at covers it all and that he is the worst player ever in all areas of the game -- you might question if there are any areas Girardi would help a team. I think it's extremely obvious that there are many areas Girardi would help all teams in. It gets problematic because hockey isn't baseball and Girardi must play in other areas too where he in fact is worthless if you want to put it that way.

The above can basically not even be labeled to be up for debate, it's as close to a fact as you come lol. But whatever...
 
What is Girardi good at then? If we ignore shot metrics then he's still atrocious at defending the blue line, gives away entries like it's candy.
He also can't move the puck out of the zone with control.
He also doesn't defend the slot line passes good at all.

Tell me something he does do well, something tangible.
 
What about something with Chicago giving them Holden+picks/prospects for Anisimov? They need defense and shedding cap desperately.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
What is Girardi good at then? If we ignore shot metrics then he's still atrocious at defending the blue line, gives away entries like it's candy.
He also can't move the puck out of the zone with control.
He also doesn't defend the slot line passes good at all.

Tell me something he does do well, something tangible.
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He is really good at blocking shots for example. You don't have to have watched a lot of hockey to see that lol, but whatever...

It's also funny that when a GM comes out and lets people know that he made a decision -- that I think was pretty horrible, just for the record -- based on advanced stats, the hard core stat people trash the use of analytics...
 
Ola said:
Or it's the opposite? That you have no idea what you are talking about? Most of the stats people refer to when trashing Girardi were based on shots, shots attempt etc.

Did I say that Girardi was a very good player? No I said that there are in fact different areas of the game when coaches have other objectives than getting rubber on the net. There are many people who believes they can get an advantage because despite not understanding the game they can read an excel sheet and create graphs. And sure -- you can understand a lot of things from that source. But it gets problematic when you try to shut out all other sources.

There are definitely areas of the game where Girardi has done a good job for a long time. But if you feel a need to confirm that the few metrics you look at covers it all and that he is the worst player ever in all areas of the game -- you might question if there are any areas Girardi would help a team. I think it's extremely obvious that there are many areas Girardi would help all teams in. It gets problematic because hockey isn't baseball and Girardi must play in other areas too where he in fact is worthless if you want to put it that way.

The above can basically not even be labeled to be up for debate, it's as close to a fact as you come lol. But whatever...
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It is not.
 
Ola said:
He is really good at blocking shots for example. You don't have to have watched a lot of hockey to see that lol, but whatever...

It's also funny that when a GM comes out and lets people know that he made a decision -- that I think was pretty horrible, just for the record -- based on advanced stats, the hard core stat people trash the use of analytics...
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That's because no known metric supports what he said, there's nothing at all except blocked shots.
 
Whyeezerman is also out to lunch if he thinks Girardi will patch up an area of deficiency on their blueline without creating 3 other ones by weighing down the 3rd pairing or whichever pairing.
 
Just back from the golf course(shot a 87 in case anyone was wondering..lol).

Any tweets, moves or rumours past 4-5 hours about who JG might be looking at to fill the center void?

Or are we looking at filling from within and simply making JT our defacto #2 center behind Mika along with Hayes and I guess either Boo or maybe even Lias Andy
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
What is Girardi good at then? If we ignore shot metrics then he's still atrocious at defending the blue line, gives away entries like it's candy.
He also can't move the puck out of the zone with control.
He also doesn't defend the slot line passes good at all.

Tell me something he does do well, something tangible.
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Tangible? No no no. Intangibles is all the rage now
 


Given how demanding Joe Sakic is, I doubt we'll have a challenger out of the blue. It's either CBJ or NSH now. Duchene loves the Nashville country music scene and we could sure use less firepower in our division.
 
Lorb said:


Given how demanding Joe Sakic is, I doubt we'll have a challenger out of the blue. It's either CBJ or NSH now. Duchene loves the Nashville country music scene and we could sure use less firepower in our division.
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Joe might be the worst GM in the league.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
He's so going to CBJ for scraps like Murray, Metro is going to be insane.
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Bob reported that the Emelin trade has nothing to do with Duchene yet but I honestly think it's a fall back for Nashville if they want to pull the trigger on Duchene. Seriously hoping it's Nashville. I'd hate to see my favorite player in a CBJ jersey.
 
You know what the most impressive thing about Gorton's tenure is so far? He transformed a position of weakness (RD) into a position of strength in just 3 months.

- Trading for and extending Smith
- Signing Bereglazov and Pionk
- Acquiring DeAngelo in the Stepan trade
- Signing Shattenkirk

INSANE
 
GregSirico said:
Joe might be the worst GM in the league.
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I'd be curious what his complete track record is since he took over. And again marking a line when Roy left bc he was also clearly involved in personnel decisions while he was there...
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
He's so going to CBJ for scraps like Murray, Metro is going to be insane.
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Duchene to NYR for Hayes+Graves. Book it.

Then we trade Nash (50% retained) for Faksa+Ritchie.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Miller-Duchene-Zuccarello
Vesey-Faksa-Grabner
Fast-Nieves-Puempel/Jensen
 
bleedblue94 said:
I'd be curious what his complete track record is since he took over. And again marking a line when Roy left bc he was also clearly involved in personnel decisions while he was there...
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A lot of one step forward two steps back type of stuff. A ton of players that never materialized or was just odd to begin with. Rene Borque, Grig, Soderberg, Iginla, Beauchemin, Holden, Boedker, Martinsen, Gelinas, Valamov, Pickard etc. Can't build a team when every single one of your players are losing value like a burning plant at a garage sale. Landeskog, McKinnon, Duchene, and Barrie all lost value in his tenure.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Duchene to NYR for Hayes+Graves. Book it.

Then we trade Nash (50% retained) for Faksa+Ritchie.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Miller-Duchene-Zuccarello
Vesey-Faksa-Grabner
Fast-Nieves-Puempel/Jensen
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I will throw myself in front of a train if this happens.
 
Kanneda said:
What about something with Chicago giving them Holden+picks/prospects for Anisimov? They need defense and shedding cap desperately.
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Kruger with $400K retained is something I can live with. Although that's a lot of money for a Oscar Lindberg type of player.

Artie is signed for too long, the Rangers will be cap strapped with him moving forward. CHI is over the cap, you make them pay to get a deal done.

Holden for Trevor Lewis is not a bad deal. He would fill a few needs & helps both teams out. But he's not the fastest guy.

Holden for Sceviour is another one. Chris Tierney. Freddy Gaudreau. Ryan Carpenter.

I'm not sure you can package Holden for a set of players. But if you get a very good and reliable 4th liner that can chip in 20 points, then you are going to get something else in return with that player because Holden had a very good 55 first games before showing he couldn't block a shot when it counted most.
 
bleedblue94 said:
i'd be curious what his complete track record is since he took over. And again marking a line when roy left bc he was also clearly involved in personnel decisions while he was there...
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2016/17: 22-56
2015/16: 39-39
2014/15: 39-31
2013/14: 52-22

Literally since he came on board they have just regressed even further.
 
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