GDT: Free Agent Frenzy #2

[Savant]

I would like Duchene, but I'm not moving Skjei for him on the HOPE that he can out produce what Stepan did for us.

Again. No one wants to move Skjei. It only makes sense if Buchnevich and/or Miller is the centerpiece for Duchene.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Gorton won't trade any 1st rounders, as he should

It's honestly so refreshing having a GM that is doing what he is. Smart signings, keeping, and adding additional draft picks to build for the future.

Clearly the man has a plan, and it's a great feeling. Things have been in flux for a while now, but the team is on the right path, and I could not be more excited.

 

[Boruto]

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Sign Mikhail Grigorenko


Trade Staal and Holden to draft pick/s (eat money on Staal if you have to)


And I'm happy

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

And MacKinnon is overrated anyway.

Glorified 55 point player.

Is a glorified 55 point player better than an underrated 55 point player?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Colorado is not in a position to ask for top dollar for their players. They are a losing team with depreciating assets. I would welcome either Nate or Matt BUT they would have to come on our terms. If Colorado was winning playoff games things would be different.

 

[Trxjw]

I could see the Rangers entertaining the idea of moving Miller to shore up the center spot. Possibly someone with some term on his deal that would remove some of the cap uncertainty for next season. If you look at the RW, even without Miller, it's pretty strong if you assume it's Zucc, Buch, Grabner, and Fast. Kreider, Nash, Vesey, and someone else down the left.

 

[Savant]

I hear you and agree with what you're saying. I would just rather not move Buchnevich. Much rather see if a deal could be made around Hayes/Miller, D prospect, draft pick or even work something out like swapping contracts like Soderberg for Staal if he waives.

Yeah I mean the logic makes sense. Miller and/or Buchnevich as a centerpiece to Colorado for Duchene could work.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I could see the Rangers entertaining the idea of moving Miller to shore up the center spot. Possibly someone with some term on his deal that would remove some of the cap uncertainty for next season. If you look at the RW, even without Miller, it's pretty strong if you assume it's Zucc, Buch, Grabner, and Fast. Kreider, Nash, Vesey, and someone else down the left.

Like who? Faksa? Rakell?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Like who? Faksa? Rakell?

I would love either of those two, but doubtful they happen

 

[GregSirico]

Duchene and MacKinnon are both a tier above Stepan. I watch 60 odd Avalanche games a year being on the west coast and the support they get in Colorado is pathetic. Duchene has been paired with 3rd line quality players for 1.5 to 2 years now. Landeskog and MacKinnon both get better linemates than Duchene.

I don't have the stats to back it up with but 5 on 5, it feels very disjointed and the duchene line just doesn't have the quality of players to make plays off the rush or cycle the puck. Very futile attempts at offense at 5v5 for Duchene's line. Their PP is bad too. Duchene is definiitely capable of being elite offensive talent and he's not bad defensively.

Which is exactly why I would be in favor of trading for him. I feel like he's lost in Colorado and they don't even know how to use him effectively. Having said that, I'm also realistic in saying there is some doubt and a risk in trading for him. Sure Joe can ask for Buch and Skjei (Rangers won't do that, nor should they), but I also don't see CBJ making a similar value package for him.

His value is probably something around maybe ONE of those guys we mentioned (at most) and in reality it's probably a good quality roster player and a high potential prospect or a pick.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I could see the Rangers entertaining the idea of moving Miller to shore up the center spot. Possibly someone with some term on his deal that would remove some of the cap uncertainty for next season. If you look at the RW, even without Miller, it's pretty strong if you assume it's Zucc, Buch, Grabner, and Fast. Kreider, Nash, Vesey, and someone else down the left.

Nash is all but gone in a year (if not sooner).
Grabner will be ??? this year. And probably signed away after.
Not a believer in Vesey.
Fast is what he is.

I mean it depends who the C is, but moving Miller is way too risky IMO. Zucc, Buch, and Kreider are all you can count on really as scoring options as soon as 18-19.

 

[GregSirico]

From what I read Sakic didn't want Hamonic. Why would he, with Johnson and Barrie?

This is exactly why Joe is a horrible GM. Hamonic has tons of value, he should have explored what he could have had in a swap before just saying NO DON'T WANT HIM bec he specifically wants someone on the left side.

 

[GregSirico]

Nash is all but gone in a year (if not sooner).
Grabner will be ??? this year. And probably signed away after.
Not a believer in Vesey.
Fast is what he is.

I mean it depends who the C is, but moving Miller is way too risky IMO. Zucc, Buch, and Kreider are all you can count on really as scoring options as soon as 18-19.

I'd move Hayes before I move Miller but I would have to look at it from a much more macro POV.

 

[GregSirico]

That's a valid opinion but I'm stating Sakic will not do a deal unless it came with a young top 4 D man. He's held out for 18 months now for that reason. Said no to Hamonic + 1st + prospect, insists on one of the top 4 D from Nashville, speculating on Murray in CBJ in what would be a bigger add than to the overall package than NSH.

Which is why i think this might blow up in his face. I can't see this saga continuing.

 

[nevesis]

 

[Trxjw]

Like who? Faksa? Rakell?

Honestly, I can't help but think of RNH. The Oilers could use RW help, and will face some cap concerns when they re-sign McDavid and Draisaitl. At some point, Drai has to move to C. It doesn't make sense to have him playing the RW. They added Strome, and Chia was just in his presser saying he sees him as a C, and that he spent most of today laying the groundwork for possible trades. They also need some help on D with Sekera being out to start the year, and the Rangers might have a guy like Holden they'd be willing to spare.

The Rangers dealt AV's preferred match-up center. I think they'd probably like a defensively sound guy to lineup behind Zibanejad and play with Nash. Plus Chia is a moron, so maybe Gorton could pull one over on him.

 

[Bruner4329]

I dont understand how Miller is all of a sudden the solution at center. If he is why wasn't he playing there last year? because we had Hayes? is he better than Hayes at center. If not then we still have a problem because Hayes then is still the number 2 center. If he is better than Hayes, then trade Hayes + prospect for a center. Moving Miller to center and having both him and Hayes at that position does not make us better.

 

[Boruto]

I dont understand how Miller is all of a sudden the solution at center. If he is why wasn't he playing there last year? because we had Hayes? is he better than Hayes at center. If not then we still have a problem because Hayes then is still the number 2 center. If he is better than Hayes, then trade Hayes + prospect for a center. Moving Miller to center and having both him and Hayes at that position does not make us better.

Gorton is posturing.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Honestly, I can't help but think of RNH. The Oilers could use RW help, and will face some cap concerns when they re-sign McDavid and Draisaitl. At some point, Drai has to move to C. It doesn't make sense to have him playing the RW. They added Strome, and Chia was just in his presser saying he sees him as a C, and that he spent most of today laying the groundwork for possible trades. They also need some help on D with Sekera being out to start the year, and the Rangers might have a guy like Holden they'd be willing to spare.

The Rangers dealt AV's preferred match-up center. I think they'd probably like a defensively sound guy to lineup behind Zibanejad and play with Nash. Plus Chia is a moron, so maybe Gorton could pull one over on him.

How'd we make the cap work though? Nash? I'm meh on RNH, but I'd be interested with how you framed this scenario

 

[Savant]

Honestly, I can't help but think of RNH. The Oilers could use RW help, and will face some cap concerns when they re-sign McDavid and Draisaitl. At some point, Drai has to move to C. It doesn't make sense to have him playing the RW. They added Strome, and Chia was just in his presser saying he sees him as a C, and that he spent most of today laying the groundwork for possible trades. They also need some help on D with Sekera being out to start the year, and the Rangers might have a guy like Holden they'd be willing to spare.

The Rangers dealt AV's preferred match-up center. I think they'd probably like a defensively sound guy to lineup behind Zibanejad and play with Nash. Plus Chia is a moron, so maybe Gorton could pull one over on him.

RNH kills the Rangers cap.

 

[Bruner4329]

I'd move Hayes before I move Miller but I would have to look at it from a much more macro POV.

Made the same point before I read your response. If Miller is better than Hayes move him to center and trade Hayes. Can't have both of them manning 2nd and 3rd center spots.

 

[GregSirico]

Honestly, I can't help but think of RNH. The Oilers could use RW help, and will face some cap concerns when they re-sign McDavid and Draisaitl. At some point, Drai has to move to C. It doesn't make sense to have him playing the RW. They added Strome, and Chia was just in his presser saying he sees him as a C, and that he spent most of today laying the groundwork for possible trades. They also need some help on D with Sekera being out to start the year, and the Rangers might have a guy like Holden they'd be willing to spare.

The Rangers dealt AV's preferred match-up center. I think they'd probably like a defensively sound guy to lineup behind Zibanejad and play with Nash. Plus Chia is a moron, so maybe Gorton could pull one over on him.

Staal for RNH

 

[Trxjw]

Nash is all but gone in a year (if not sooner).
Grabner will be ??? this year. And probably signed away after.
Not a believer in Vesey.
Fast is what he is.

I mean it depends who the C is, but moving Miller is way too risky IMO. Zucc, Buch, and Kreider are all you can count on really as scoring options as soon as 18-19.

I don't see any other pieces they could move to get a top-six center. Sure, they could start dipping into the newly acquired youngsters, but that leaves them right back where they started.

The team showed they were willing to take a big risk, and then locked themselves up into the next 4 years. In 4 years Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, and Hank will all be facing down new deals or retirement. Zucc has two years on a favorable deal. Kreider has 3. If they don't load up now and go for it, then when?

 

[Leetch3]

I dont understand how Miller is all of a sudden the solution at center. If he is why wasn't he playing there last year? because we had Hayes? is he better than Hayes at center. If not then we still have a problem because Hayes then is still the number 2 center. If he is better than Hayes, then trade Hayes + prospect for a center. Moving Miller to center and having both him and Hayes at that position does not make us better.

no one said miller is the solution. he actually would be the worst case scenario cause it means we couldn't land a center. but that options means our hands aren't forced to get a center right now.