Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Micklebot]

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ok there... this looks like a simmer special, trying to rile up the Habs fans

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Just to reiterate. That is a trade proposal, not a real trade.

Edmonton is tight to the salary cap. Ceci half-retained is 1.625M. JBD makes 800k. That gives Edmonton enough room to add 1 extra body to their roster. At the moment, they only have enough room for 21 players.

Ceci only has 1-year remaining, so the retention is off the books at the end of the season.

We could fit Ceci in at 1.625M and still have enough to roll with a 22 player roster. It gives us a luxury #5 defenseman on the right side. Say what you want about Ceci, but Ceci as our #5 at 1.625M would be better than any of our current options. It's possible that one of our young defensemen might overtake him by the end of the season, but that isn't a given. It also gives us a bit of insurance in case one of the top 4 defensemen get hurt.

We give up a conditional pick that only transfers if JBD plays less than 10 games.

ok there... this looks like a simmer special, trying to rile up the Habs fans

It was always meant to be a trade proposal. I don't know how anybody could have taken me copying the Senators template without any context as anything BUT a fantasy trade proposal. Also Thomas Chabot hates the city of Montreal.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

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u f***er, almost believed this for a second

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

u f***er, almost believed this for a second

Sorry to get your hopes up. It would have been an exciting offseason trade.

 

[Micklebot]

It was always meant to be a trade proposal. I don't know how anybody could have taken me copying the Senators template without any context as anything BUT a fantasy trade proposal. Also Thomas Chabot hates the city of Montreal.

A trade proposal that will cause riots, Ceci coming back??? not happening, though I did enjoy the inclusion of the rights to grocery store bag boy Wikstrand (I had super high hopes for him).

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ceci might have been an option if the Oilers wanted to open up some cap and a RD spot to re-sign Desharnais, but at this point he's clearly penciled into their 2nd pairing and is their 2nd best RD.

I think Whitecloud or Bear are more realistic options, but it sounds like Staios is high on Guenette and thinks he or JBD should be able to lock down that 3rd pairing RD spot.

 

[Micklebot]

Ceci might have been an option if the Oilers wanted to open up some cap and a RD spot to re-sign Desharnais, but at this point he's clearly penciled into their 2nd pairing and is their 2nd best RD.

I think Whitecloud or Bear are more realistic options, but it sounds like Staios is high on Guenette and thinks he or JBD should be able to lock down that 3rd pairing RD spot.

We can't afford Whitecloud unless there's retention, and I don't think VGK would have any interest in retaining the 1-1.25 mil it would take to make it work for us.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ceci might have been an option if the Oilers wanted to open up some cap and a RD spot to re-sign Desharnais, but at this point he's clearly penciled into their 2nd pairing and is their 2nd best RD.

I think Whitecloud or Bear are more realistic options, but it sounds like Staios is high on Guenette and thinks he or JBD should be able to lock down that 3rd pairing RD spot.

I think in a perfect world, we would add a veteran #5-6D.

It's entirely possible that Kleven, Guennette, and JBD all take a step forward and do really well for us, but I think a better situation is that those guys have to fight and claw for that spot. I think it's too wide open on the bottom pair.

Ideally, we would move Hamonic as a proxy for cash in a trade for that kind of player, but I don't think he would waive.

Whitecloud would be difficult to fit in. We might be able to barely squeeze him in with a very limited roster, or if Hamonic is going on LTIR. Players like Bear or Ceci make more sense to me because they are on the final year of their contract so even with retention their teams still clear cap space this season for what is otherwise a possible redundant player.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ceci might have been an option if the Oilers wanted to open up some cap and a RD spot to re-sign Desharnais, but at this point he's clearly penciled into their 2nd pairing and is their 2nd best RD.

I think Whitecloud or Bear are more realistic options, but it sounds like Staios is high on Guenette and thinks he or JBD should be able to lock down that 3rd pairing RD spot.

Ya I think that's something the Oilers plan to address in season to upgrade on Ceci, but will roll with him for now.

 

[BondraTime]

We can't afford Whitecloud unless there's retention, and I don't think VGK would have any interest in retaining the 1-1.25 mil it would take to make it work for us.

He's going to be in and out of the lineup for the Knights, doesn't have a fulltime spot locked up unless they trade away Theodore, which is a distinct possibility. Without trading Theodore, not sure they'd like to keep him around at that price as a pressbox/#6 guy

McCrimmon has already come out and said Korczak is an everyday player for the Knights this upcoming season, at best it would be a split between Whitecloud and he.

Not sure we should be adding a 2.75 guy to our bottom pair for the next 4 years, nor should we want him in our top 4 if we are trying to compete.

They have some juggling to do on the backend with Theodore and McNabb UFA's at the end of this season

 

[DrEasy]

I think the Front Office believes that Hamonic, free of injuries, can come back and play at his 2022-23 level (he's old but not THAT old, still 33, same age as Jensen), which wouldn't be spectacular, but definitely ok for a #6 D. In that case our depth is fine-ish, at least at RD.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think the Front Office believes that Hamonic, free of injuries, can come back and play at his 2022-23 level (he's old but not THAT old, still 33, same age as Jensen), which wouldn't be spectacular, but definitely ok for a #6 D. In that case our depth is fine-ish, at least at RD.

This is what I think. A lot seem to assume he won't be playing much or at all. I'll bet on 40+ games played for Hamonic this year with the way Staios has spoken about it and knowing the other 2 options have very few games under their belt in JBD and Kleven.

 

[bicboi64]

Huge no to Ceci unless Edmonton is paying us.

It's one thing if EDM takes Hamonic off us (assuming Hamonic waives to go to EDM), but even at retention, Ceci is only a marginal upgrade on our current options. They better throw in a 2nd or 3rd if we're giving up JBD who can end up as better than Ceci.

 

[Hale The Villain]

We can't afford Whitecloud unless there's retention, and I don't think VGK would have any interest in retaining the 1-1.25 mil it would take to make it work for us.

We can add Whitecloud if Hamonic goes the other way and we're comfortable with only 1 spare (JBD).

We have 1.909M in cap space with a 21/23 roster. If Hamonic goes the other way that's 3.09M in space. Whitecloud only costs 2.75M.

Hamonic has a NMC but it's not that difficult to imagine him waiving to play for one of the most attractive destinations in the league.

 

[Micklebot]

He's going to be in and out of the lineup for the Knights, doesn't have a fulltime spot locked up unless they trade away Theodore, which is a distinct possibility. Without trading Theodore, not sure they'd like to keep him around at that price as a pressbox/#6 guy

McCrimmon has already come out and said Korczak is an everyday player for the Knights this upcoming season, at best it would be a split between Whitecloud and he.

Not sure we should be adding a 2.75 guy to our bottom pair for the next 4 years, nor should we want him in our top 4 if we are trying to compete.

They have some juggling to do on the backend with Theodore and McNabb UFA's at the end of this season

I don't really disagree with any of this, I'd be happy with him at 1.5m, but I don't think VGK want to do that, they'd probably prefer to pay a team a draft pick to take him on rather than retaining 1.25m,

I'm probably higher on him than you but I think there's some real risk with him, so I'd pass unless Vegas gets desperate to dump him. .

 

[Micklebot]

I think the Front Office believes that Hamonic, free of injuries, can come back and play at his 2022-23 level (he's old but not THAT old, still 33, same age as Jensen), which wouldn't be spectacular, but definitely ok for a #6 D. In that case our depth is fine-ish, at least at RD.

Yeah, if Hamonic was fighting a lingering injury all year and they know it's resolved, they may be much more confident in him than the fans are.

He was able to ride shotgun to rookie Sanderson and look serviceable, if that's the Hamonic we're getting, maybe a Kleven-Hamonic 3rd pair isn't so bad (I'm shamelessly high on Kleven though...).

 

[Micklebot]

We can add Whitecloud if Hamonic goes the other way and we're comfortable with only 1 spare (JBD).

We have 1.909M in cap space with a 21/23 roster. If Hamonic goes the other way that's 3.09M in space. Whitecloud only costs 2.75M.

Hamonic has a NMC but it's not that difficult to imagine him waiving to play for one of the most attractive destinations in the league.

I think Hamonic is driven by family considerations, so I don't see Vegas as a top of the list destination for him,

 

[bicboi64]

I think Hamonic will only stay in Canada, or I'd ship him to Vegas for a case of gatorade.

He's from Winnipeg, if they offered us a 7th I'd take it, but would love if we could dump him to Toronto or EDM. Whitecloud for Hamonic would be a great move.

 

[BigRig4]

Wasn’t Hamonic also bad in 22-23? It’s been a while but I seem to remember him being a drag on every pairing he was on.

 

[Micklebot]

Wasn’t Hamonic also bad in 22-23? It’s been a while but I seem to remember him being a drag on every pairing he was on.

Bad is relative.

He was getting top 4 deployment with Sanderson as a bit of a matchup pair, I think for the most part they held their own, and he was good on the PK.

As a bottom pair PK specialist I think he would have been fine, but in a top 4 shutdown role he was underwhelming.

This coming year, we'd be asking him to be a bottom pair PK guy. If he plays like he did in 22-23 I think that would be fine, but he was awful in that role this past year.


Edit: if memory serves the pairing of Hamonic and Holden was epically bad though, idk if that was all Holden's fault as he had clearly regressed or if Hamonic was an equal contributor to that though

 

[Hale The Villain]

I could see us claiming one of the Avs' D that will get put on waivers.

They have Makar, Toews, Girard, Manson, Kylington, Brannstrom and De Haan on 1 way deals + MacDonald and Malinski on two-way deals.

Honestly Brannstrom is exactly what we need and I'd love to welcome him back if he hits waivers.

I think MacDonald may have some experience playing either side, but I could be wrong. He'd be a decent depth acquisition too. CDH certainly does but I think he'll stick with them because they have way too many puckmovers and not enough defensive D.

Biggest need for this team right now is a guy who can play the right side, but also play left side in case of injury.

People are overly focused on the right side, but what happens if Sanderson/Chabot gets injured or Kleven struggles in his rookie year? Beyond them the best LD we have is Roos or Davies - two guys who aren't exactly NHL caliber D.

 

[bicboi64]

I could see us claiming one of the Avs' D that will get put on waivers.

They have Makar, Toews, Girard, Manson, Kylington, Brannstrom and De Haan on 1 way deals + MacDonald and Malinski on two-way deals.

Honestly Brannstrom is exactly what we need and I'd love to welcome him back if he hits waivers.

I think MacDonald may have some experience playing either side, but I could be wrong. He'd be a decent depth acquisition too. CDH certainly does but I think he'll stick with them because they have way too many puckmovers and not enough defensive D.

Biggest need for this team right now is a guy who can play the right side, but also play left side in case of injury.

People are overly focused on the right side, but what happens if Sanderson/Chabot gets injured or Kleven struggles in his rookie year? Beyond them the best LD we have is Roos or Davies - two guys who aren't exactly NHL caliber D.

CDH is from Ottawa as well. He'd be a perfect fit for us on the 3rd pairing.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I suspect we’ll wait on making any moves until after camp. That way we get to see how guys have progressed. Might see a PTO or something.

Then we’ll have a better idea of what we need to flesh out the lineup and we can look at guys put on waivers, as well as the guys left without contracts.

Were talking about depth players, so there are always guys available.

We have cap space, but not a lot, so it would be prudent to wait until we have a better idea of where it should go.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

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[Cosmix]

I think the Front Office believes that Hamonic, free of injuries, can come back and play at his 2022-23 level (he's old but not THAT old, still 33, same age as Jensen), which wouldn't be spectacular, but definitely ok for a #6 D. In that case our depth is fine-ish, at least at RD.

Does anyone know what Hamonic's injuries are?

My suspicion is that he might have an injury but more importantly has been outplayed by the other D.