Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think moving Norris because people aren't enamored with his level of play coming off missing an entire season to injury is a recipe for sellers remorse.

I think Norris can be a very good player... I think of our young top 6 forwards he has the best clue on how to play 2 way hockey, I don't think Norris is back to the player he was and his play is definitely off. For the short term he has to focus on his 2 way game and his work ethic supporting pucks and winning puck battles. We know he can shoot the puck and be a scorer on a line .. that takes a back seat for now.

He may never be worth his contract which to me is less of a concern. Just get him playing hard, smart two way hockey.. he will help the team put up Ws.

He could stand to get stronger

 

[Cosmix]

I'd keep Stu/Sand/Chabot/Tkachuk

Everything else can go. Get some more classy veterans like Giroux, overpay if you must and let's go.

The loser culture has set. This roster needs emergency surgery.

I would keep our top 4 D: Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson and Zub.
I would keep the following 8 F: Tkachuk, Stutzle, Giroux, Joseph, Norris, Batherson, Pinto, Greig.
If Tarasenko would sign at $5M for another 2 or 3 year term, I would keep him too.
I would keep Korpisalo.

Expendables/Replaceables: Kubalic, Kelly, MacEwen, Kastelic, Crookshank, Smejkal, Chartier, Highmore, Hamonic, Brannstrom, Bernard-Docker, Forsberg

 

[Micklebot]

I think Norris can be a very good player... I think of our young top 6 forwards he has the best clue on how to play 2 way hockey, I don't think Norris is back to the player he was and his play is definitely off. For the short term he has to focus on his 2 way game and his work ethic supporting pucks and winning puck battles. We know he can shoot the puck and be a scorer on a line .. that takes a back seat for now.

He may never be worth his contract which to me is less of a concern. Just get him playing hard, smart two way hockey.. he will help the team put up Ws.

He could stand to get stronger

So, with the cap rising rapidly, I think people will be surprised by how team friendly an ~8 mil contract will be in a few years. By the time he's 27, the cap could easily reach 95 mil, by the time his contract is up at 30, over 100. I think he can earn his 7.95 in a 95+ mil cap world.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

I am talking more after he has a month of games in.

give him about 15 games to get going and see where he is at. I think he can be more effective than Norris

He can maybe be more effective than Norris this season, real comparisons can be made when they start again next season.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

So, with the cap rising rapidly, I think people will be surprised by how team friendly an ~8 mil contract will be in a few years. By the time he's 27, the cap could easily reach 95 mil, by the time his contract is up at 30, over 100. I think he can earn his 7.95 in a 95+ mil cap world.

8M is the new 6M.

He will only have to be a decent 2C to live up to that contract. My only concern would be his shoulder, and what could happen if he injures it again.

On a side note, this is the last offseason that Norris would qualify for the very manageable half-rate buyout. Even know the buyout length would be 12 years, it is only really 8 years in application because there is almost no cap hit for the first 4 years. After that, it's about 1.5M a year for 7 years and 2.4M for 1 year. Considering the cap could be 100M+, that would be almost nothing.

The only reason to buy him out would be if they know something we don't about the probability of another major shoulder injury, and they also have a way to actually use that 8M. Whether they have a free agent lined up, or a trade.

 

[Xspyrit]

Well the stats you list for TC are 2 years old. Got any up to date ones?
Regardless the point I was making is that although Chabot and Batherson are good players they are not untouchable as they don't bring anything really special to the table. If a good deal can be made then the Sens do it as the team with its present configuration isn't working.

No I don't as I don't pay any subscription, but Chabot has always been the same player, he's just a bit infected like everyone to have been in DJ Dorion mess for a while

If Batherson and Chabot don't bring "anything really special to the table" then seriously, we could say the same thing about any player we have

I don't think you'd be very happy with Batherson's 4.975 AAV re-allocation, can't see many ways where it would be more beneficial.

People are "panicking" and for good reason but to expect Martin and Staios to fix DJ Dorion's mess in a few weeks is not very realistic.

The moves to make NOW are trading Kubalik and Tarasenko and get rid of Hamonic anyway you can. Then improve the depth (Kelly, MacEwen, Chartier)

If BIG changes need to made, it'll have to be after the season. These players have been in this mess for years, they deserve a bit of time to fix themselves

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Tarasenko, Kubalik and Brannstrom are the obvious ones to move out. If Tarasenko will waive.

I don’t think tarasenko is withholding his waive to finish the season out in Ottawa lol.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don’t think tarasenko is withholding his waive to finish the season out in Ottawa lol.

Haha, fair point. If he does, that probably says something about him.

With how much our draft/prospect capital took a hit under Dorion recently, it would be ideal to maximize what we can get in yet another lost season.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Is moving Chychrun considered shaking up the 'core' when he's barely been here a year?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Is moving Chychrun considered shaking up the 'core' when he's barely been here a year?

Not sure but he is someone I'd be willing to move if Chabot is unmovable without a sweetener.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Where did Binnington come from lol

Hell? The guy's a coach's nightmare and a lunatic.

 

[ottawagm]

Norris to Nashville for Sissons, prospect, and 2 firsts.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Norris to Nashville for Sissons, prospect, and 2 firsts.

I think Fabbro would be a good fit too and clearly in the dog house in Nashville.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Chabot needs to go. Not Chychrun.

 

[Ice-Tray]

We aren’t moving any core players, that would be really dumb when coaching has been identified as the issue.

We don’t have prima-donnas and pouters, that’s just fan fiction porn. What we have are a ton of young players who lack experience who have had their confidence seriously shaken, and the only coach most have known fired.

They have the effort and desire, but are struggling making all of the changes that need to be made to their games all at once. You can see the effort and you can see that they are second guessing and over thinking while they play.

Attitude isn’t all of a sudden an issue, and I don’t get a sense that the room is filled with bros who don’t care about doing what’s necessary to win.

I see a team that has finally come to grips with the fact that they don’t play a style that wins games at the NHL level, and are trying to learn a new style halfway through the season. Its not about simply playing D, it’s team defence that is lacking, and doing it effectively takes time and practice, not simply trying harder and making sure you’re in the D zone.

We lack patience for good reason, but moving a core player for the sake of it would be a terrible move, and more akin to the previous management group than the current one. This group preaches stability, patience, and best in class. To me this means that the next major move will be to bring in a top notch coach and staff to work with all the talent we currently have.

Not one of the guys whose names are bandied around should be traded. Bath is already insane value for his deal, Chabot is better than Chychrun and is better at parts of the game than Sandy at the moment, and would be a huge blow to our defence to lose. Norris is our 2 C, has great scoring potential and has already shown 2-way centre potential, and Joseph has arguably been one of our best players this year on a cheap deal with term.

We don’t need cap space coming up, and we don’t need a massive roster shake up right now. We need to let the massive coaching and management shake up dust settle and see what we have on the ice.

God, can we just make the patient smart play this time? Play the long game? Some of the moves I see proposed look very similar to trading Zib, and yet we all know how the fanbase views that panic move.

Thankfully the owner and management team seem just the type to be up to the task. Finally. I have always leaned hard into the hope side of things, but now I’m super duper hopeful!

 

[JD1]

I would keep our top 4 D: Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson and Zub.
I would keep the following 8 F: Tkachuk, Stutzle, Giroux, Joseph, Norris, Batherson, Pinto, Greig.
If Tarasenko would sign at $5M for another 2 or 3 year term, I would keep him too.
I would keep Korpisalo.

Expendables/Replaceables: Kubalic, Kelly, MacEwen, Kastelic, Crookshank, Smejkal, Chartier, Highmore, Hamonic, Brannstrom, Bernard-Docker, Forsberg

The NHL is about slotting. Having players in the right slot.

Basically you want to keep our upper echelon players and dump our lower echelon players

Some of the guys you want to keep are less effective in their slot than some you want to dump.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Chabot needs to go. Not Chychrun.

Chychrun and Chabot also have a long list of injuries. Move one, and the other goes on the ltir, and suddenly you just lost another season. You really, really, really have to have faith that the guy you keep is past his injury woes. And honestly, that's not a risk I'd want to take at this stage of the rebuild.

I think the earth-shattering move will be in the summer. We'll see a guy like Brannstrom possibly go by the trade deadline (or Tank). That's enough of a move to say you're doing something, without gutting anything important on the roster.

But the team is going to give the core guys every chance to show themselves for the rest of the year.

 

[PlayersLtd]

People need to calm down. This team has all the talent it needs to be successful, shy of a retool. The problem is the DJ legacy and between the ears. It will get better with time because the talent is there and I believe the character is there too.

Tarasenko is out along with the obvious in Kubalik and we need to tweak our D, likely by moving on from Chychrun simply due to the numbers game. Tarasenko and Chychrun give us all the opportunity we need to retool. After that the only thing we are stuck with is the goaltending situation, which will be infinitely better once we start playing within a responsible system, which is a work in progress under JM.

Nobody wants to hear it yet again but this team just needs to grow together under good coaching. Being reactive with the roster at this point would be counter productive. Minor tweaks can be very powerful, it happens all the time in the NHL that a team turns it around without blowing it up.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No matter how you view Chabot and Chychrun, one is signed past next year and one is not. The Chychrun question needs to be solved before next season, regardless of what happens with Chabot.

 

[GCK]

People need to calm down. This team has all the talent it needs to be successful, shy of a retool. The problem is the DJ legacy and between the ears. It will get better with time because the talent is there and I believe the character is there too.

Tarasenko is out along with the obvious in Kubalik and we need to tweak our D, likely by moving on from Chychrun simply due to the numbers game. Tarasenko and Chychrun give us all the opportunity we need to retool. After that the only thing we are stuck with is the goaltending situation, which will be infinitely better once we start playing within a responsible system, which is a work in progress under JM.

Nobody wants to hear it yet again but this team just needs to grow together under good coaching. Being reactive with the roster at this point would be counter productive. Minor tweaks can be very powerful, it happens all the time in the NHL that a team turns it around without blowing it up.

The problem was never DJ. Dorion never surrounded the kids with quality veterans to show them how to be professionals and leaders.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The problem was never DJ. Dorion never surrounded the kids with quality veterans to show them how to be professionals and leaders.

Maybe the kids need to have some professional self accountability.

 

[Micklebot]

The problem was never DJ. Dorion never surrounded the kids with quality veterans to show them how to be professionals and leaders.

Idk if that's entirely fair, Hainsey, Holden, Stepan, and Gudbranson are all professionals and leaders, they were just all past their best before date on ice. The were brought in specially to show the kids how to be professional and leader.

The issue we have is Dorion built a team around too many of the same pieces, we didn't need Chychrun with Chabot and Sanderson, we needed a guy more like Marino, we didn't need a guy like tank, or DBC up front when we had Batherson Stützle and Giroux, we needed more of a physical two way guy. Someone that can shadow the top players in the league.

 

[Samboni]

If I’m Staios, I’m wouldn’t make a trade unless it was a clear win for the team. Now is not the time for a panic trade.

 

[GCK]

Idk if that's entirely fair, Hainsey, Holden, Stepan, and Gudbranson are all professionals and leaders, they were just all past their best before date on ice. The were brought in specially to show the kids how to be professional and leader.

The issue we have is Dorion built a team around too many of the same pieces, we didn't need Chychrun with Chabot and Sanderson, we needed a guy more like Marino, we didn't need a guy like tank, or DBC up front when we had Batherson Stützle and Giroux, we needed more of a physical two way guy. Someone that can shadow the top players in the league.

Holden 2 years - 130+ games is one veteran
Hainsey 1 year - 64 games
Gudbranson 1 year - 36 games
Stepan 1 year - 20 games

I’m referring to guys that are put around the kids and are with them for 3-4 years and can still play.

It really stunted the development of the core kids IMO.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

The problem was never DJ. Dorion never surrounded the kids with quality veterans to show them how to be professionals and leaders.

The problem was also DJ because he never held them accountable or to a higher standard, he also never taught them how to defend at the NHL level, he let them instill a ton of bad habits that Jacques is finding difficult to help get rid off.