Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

So who are the "good but not necessarily great RDs who are about 26 years old" that we could target via trade of one of our core pieces for next year?

Someone who is getting pushed down from their top pair by an uocoming young stud? A young stud who won't crack the top 4 of where he is just yet and could be awesome here?

Maybe Marino from New Jersey. Simon Nemac might make Marino expendable in the top 4 if New Jersey can get a good asset or fill a different need on their roster.

We were apparently in on him when he was traded. I suspect the budget was the reason we didn't pull the trigger, since later in the season we had to move Zaitsev to acquire Chychrun.

There also might be a some familiarity with Marino, since Bowness was in Pittsburgh at the time they originally acquired Marino.

It would probably have to be an offseason trade since Dougie Hamilton is out. Unless the Devils are sellers at the deadline and decide to focus on making moves for next season.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

So who are the "good but not necessarily great RDs who are about 26 years old" that we could target via trade of one of our core pieces for next year?

Someone who is getting pushed down from their top pair by an uocoming young stud? A young stud who won't crack the top 4 of where he is just yet and could be awesome here?

Braden Schneider is behind Fox and Trouba in New York.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Carlo
Weegar
Andersson
Marino
Larsson
Montour
Pesce
Cernak
Manson
Korczak

Some of those guys like Cernak will be impossible to get because of the physical intangibles they bring, but I'd take anyone from that list.

A lot of those guys either have NTCs/NMCs, or are UFAs. I also think Andersson would be above the good but not great label, he might cost a 1st++ given his role, cap hit, and handedness. I can't see the Lightning moving Cernak, but I might be out of touch there.

Marino might be the best fit when looking at the makeup of the team he is on, and how he would fit in the structure of our team, both on the ice and on paper.

Weegar would be great, but he has a NTC. Even know he is from Ottawa, Ottawa is never a hot destination for players. Our current woes likely make it even worse. I can't see many players waiving to come here. Maybe Erik Karlsson if he is available would come here because of the Alfie connection and how he isn't going to end up on a contender anyways because of his cap hit.

Braden Schneider is behind Fox and Trouba in New York.

That is a good one, but he seems like more of a project than an actual solution for our top 4. Almost like if a team were to acquire Brannstrom from us.

 

[h2]

A lot of those guys either have NTCs/NMCs, or are UFAs. I also think Andersson would be above the good but not great label, he might cost a 1st++ given his role, cap hit, and handedness. I can't see the Lightning moving Cernak, but I might be out of touch there.

Marino might be the best fit when looking at the makeup of the team he is on, and how he would fit in the structure of our team, both on the ice and on paper.

Weegar would be great, but he has a NTC. Even know he is from Ottawa, Ottawa is never a hot destination for players. Our current woes likely make it even worse. I can't see many players waiving to come here. Maybe Erik Karlsson if he is available would come here because of the Alfie connection and how he isn't going to end up on a contender anyways because of his cap hit.



That is a good one, but he seems like more of a project than an actual solution for our top 4. Almost like if a team were to acquire Brannstrom from us.

I'd pay a core piece to bring in Andersson if Calgary is open. Some of those other guys would be worth paying the price as well. If it's the right fit, let's do it.

We gave this core a chance, they blow. Time to bring in other pieces to join us.

 

[NB613]

Tried to organize the guys into tiers. Feel free to roast.

Liability Every Shift (KHLers - fire into a cannon or waive ASAP)
Hamonic
Macewen

Problematic (Healthy Scratches, replace)
Bernard-Docker
Kastelic
Kelly
Kubalik

No issues, no trade value (Depth)
Chartier
Crookshank
Smejkal

No issues, value (Tradable)
Brannstrom
Joseph
Tarasenko

Complimentary Core (only deal for another core piece)
Batherson
Chychrun
Giroux
Grieg
Norris
Pinto
Zub

Untouchable Core
Chabot
Sanderson
Stutzle
Tkachuk

Needs
DEF top 4/5 RD defensive/physical
DEF depth 6/7 defensive/physical
FWD top 6 LW/RW
FWD depth (13/14)
Goalies (lol)

 

[Ben Grimm]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/which-ottawa-senators-veterans-should-be-on-the-trade-block

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Jason York basically predicting that a core piece might get traded before the trade deadline in order to shock the locker room and its country club attitude.

I am gonna predict Josh Norris.

He's a #2 center with Pinto coming back in January and Greig already here. He's kind of in their way.

He's not that effective 5on5. Mostly a PP specialist with that shot.

Not that great defensively. Doesn't PK.

He's Brady's best friend.

 

[h2]

Tried to organize the guys into tiers. Feel free to roast.

Liability Every Shift (KHLers - fire into a cannon or waive ASAP)
Hamonic
Macewen

Problematic (Healthy Scratches, replace)
Bernard-Docker
Kastelic
Kelly
Kubalik

No issues, no trade value (Depth)
Chartier
Crookshank
Smejkal

No issues, value (Tradable)
Brannstrom
Joseph
Tarasenko

Complimentary Core (only deal for another core piece)
Batherson
Chychrun
Giroux
Grieg
Norris
Pinto
Zub

Untouchable Core
Chabot
Sanderson
Stutzle
Tkachuk

Needs
DEF top 4/5 RD defensive/physical
DEF depth 6/7 defensive/physical
FWD top 6 LW/RW
FWD depth (13/14)
Goalies (lol)

My 2 cents on changes:

- Chartier to problematic, there's a myth that he's solid defensively (York always pumps his tires), he is not. He doesn't really do anything well. He's just, there, while constantly losing battles and losing races to pucks and bringing zero offense. Why is a player like this dressing for us? He belongs in Belleville.
- Crookshank up one tier (Actually looks like a very reliable bottom 6er for our future to me)
- Chabot down one tier
- You can make the argument that Batherson is untouchable due to that amazing contract, but he's definitely tradable if we get a stud RHD, I would seek to complete that trade by other means though. I also like how versatile his game is. Are we playing a physical team? Batherson can do that, are we run and gunning? Sure. He's probably our best forward outside of a consistent B Tkachuk at playing those different styles and doing it well. I think he'd be a good playoff player.

Good list overall.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Jason York basically predicting that a core piece might get traded before the trade deadline in order to shock the locker room and its country club attitude.

I am gonna predict Josh Norris.

He's a #2 center with Pinto coming back in January and Greig already here. He's kind of in their way.

He's not that effective 5on5. Mostly a PP specialist with that shot.

Not that great defensively. Doesn't PK.

He's Brady's best friend.

That might pour more fuel on the Brady disgruntled rumors.
Although I agree Norris is the one to move from the forward young pieces, I think Staios will hold on to him and reassess next season. He's coming back from a pretty bad injury and is most likely not playing to his true abilities. Would be poor asset management to trade him now when his value is so low.

At D, it's really Chabot or Chychyrun, and the more I think about it, Staois would probably look into trading Chabot and getting out of that contract. That would "shock" the core and make room for Sanderson to be both paid and regarded as the team's 1D.

 

[Ouroboros]

Jason York basically predicting that a core piece might get traded before the trade deadline in order to shock the locker room and its country club attitude.

I am gonna predict Josh Norris.

He's not that effective 5on5. Mostly a PP specialist with that shot.

Not that great defensively. Doesn't PK.

Wow, I can get all that for only 8M per year? Where do I sign?

 

[ottawagm]

Lets say STL win the lottery and there are no issues with NTC etc. Would you trade:

Tkachuk + Brannstrom + BOS 1st for Celebrini + Parayko (maybe with some retention)

or

Tkachuk + Norris + Brannstrom + BOS 1st -> Celebrini + Parayko + Thomas

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

That might pour more fuel on the Brady disgruntled rumors.
Although I agree Norris is the one to move from the forward young pieces, I think Staios will hold on to him and reassess next season. He's coming back from a pretty bad injury and is most likely not playing to his true abilities. Would be poor asset management to trade him now when his value is so low.

At D, it's really Chabot or Chychyrun, and the more I think about it, Staois would probably look into trading Chabot and getting out of that contract. That would "shock" the core and make room for Sanderson to be both paid and regarded as the team's 1D.

That's a good route to take, but you also need to make sure Chychyrun is going to re-sign here. If he walks, you suddenly have a very weak LD overall.

 

[Crosside]

Lets say STL win the lottery and there are no issues with NTC etc. Would you trade:

Tkachuk + Brannstrom + BOS 1st for Celebrini + Parayko (maybe with some retention)

or

Tkachuk + Norris + Brannstrom + BOS 1st -> Celebrini + Parayko + Thomas

I do that for Celebrini alone

 

[GCK]

Jason York basically predicting that a core piece might get traded before the trade deadline in order to shock the locker room and its country club attitude.

I am gonna predict Josh Norris.

He's a #2 center with Pinto coming back in January and Greig already here. He's kind of in their way.

He's not that effective 5on5. Mostly a PP specialist with that shot.

Not that great defensively. Doesn't PK.

He's Brady's best friend.

Norris coming off a missed year will likely lead the team in goals. He has 7 at even strength. Martin is using him on the PK.

 

[DueDiligence]

Norris coming off a missed year will likely lead the team in goals. He has 7 at even strength. Martin is using him on the PK.

Doesn't mean he is good on the PK but that speaks more to the lack of quality PKers on the team.

 

[Xspyrit]

Tried to organize the guys into tiers. Feel free to roast.

Liability Every Shift (KHLers - fire into a cannon or waive ASAP)
Hamonic
Macewen

Problematic (Healthy Scratches, replace)
Bernard-Docker
Kastelic
Kelly
Kubalik

No issues, no trade value (Depth)
Chartier
Crookshank
Smejkal

No issues, value (Tradable)
Brannstrom
Joseph
Tarasenko

Complimentary Core (only deal for another core piece)
Batherson
Chychrun
Giroux
Grieg
Norris
Pinto
Zub

Untouchable Core
Chabot
Sanderson
Stutzle
Tkachuk

Needs
DEF top 4/5 RD defensive/physical
DEF depth 6/7 defensive/physical
FWD top 6 LW/RW
FWD depth (13/14)
Goalies (lol)

I would move Kubalik and Hamonic ASAP, and even Tarasenko... they're the worst players defensively on the team (pretty much what I expected before the season). All 3 have among the 3 worst CA/60, FA/60, SA/60 (Kubalik is 7th worst), xGA/60 (Kubalik is 6th worst). MacEwen and Kelly (also expected) also have terrible metrics : OUT

I respect Chartier for fighting to get some NHL games but out as well, he is another Gambrell. This is all DJ Dorion fodder : OUT

Joseph and Greig should be untouchable, we need more players like them not less. They're not expensive and play over 200 ft, they play the "right way" despite having infected by ultra bad coaching

Zub is a defensive RHD, can't afford to move these due to scarcity around the league

Giroux is one of the best vets we could have, we need more like him, not less

Batherson is a weapon, his contract makes him invaluable

Brannstrom I don't know... If we plan to keep all of Chabot, Sanderson and Chychrun and play them on LD, then we have to move him. And what about Kleven? He's also LHD. That said, he has to be moved smartly, need to get an useful cost controlled 2-way forward

Kastelic and JBD are cheap depth : keep them

Forsberg : only 1 year left, only goalie to have a strong season during this DJ Dorion era... even this season has had some very strong games... might as well keep him

Other players you don't move at all : Stutzle, Sanderson, Chabot, Pinto

You obviously don't want to move them (particularly Tkachuk) but they need to be "re-programmed" so have to see if it's possible

Questionable : Tkachuk, Norris, Chychrun, Brannstrom, Korpisalo


???????? - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - Giroux
Greig - Pinto - Joseph
???????? - Kastelic - ????????

Sanderson - ????????
Chabot - Zub
Chychrun - JBD

????????
Forsberg

But first things first, need to purge the most recent Dorion acquisitions (as usual, damages the team) : Kubalik, Tarasenko, Korpisalo, MacEwen, Hamonic (and Kelly)

I guarantee that if we re-allocate the 14.1375 more adequately, the roster would already be vastly improved.

 

[armani]

Jason York basically predicting that a core piece might get traded before the trade deadline in order to shock the locker room and its country club attitude.

I am gonna predict Josh Norris.

He's a #2 center with Pinto coming back in January and Greig already here. He's kind of in their way.

He's not that effective 5on5. Mostly a PP specialist with that shot.

Not that great defensively. Doesn't PK.

He's Brady's best friend.

I would give the new coaching staff and the players more time to get acclimatized prior to making any BIG change as that. I don't see Norris' value being at an all-time high either. If anything, the whole team is auditioning right now and any major change will be in the off-season.

Unless they go on a 10 game winning streak, these are the useful veterans I would like to see-off come deadline:

1. Tarasenko
2. Kubalik
3. Forsberg
4. Hamonic (probably untradeable unless Ottawa eats some of the salary)
5. Brannstrom (as much as I like him he doesn't seem to have a future at the backend where the team needs to get bigger/tougher/potentially Kleven'ed)
6. Parker Kelly (not sure if he has any trade interest or value, but he has been playing strong 2-way 4th line hockey, PKer, SH threat..car salesman pitch)

 

[GCK]

I would move Kubalik and Hamonic ASAP, and even Tarasenko... they're the worst players defensively on the team (pretty much what I expected before the season). All 3 have among the 3 worst CA/60, FA/60, SA/60 (Kubalik is 7th worst), xGA/60 (Kubalik is 6th worst). MacEwen and Kelly (also expected) also have terrible metrics : OUT

I respect Chartier for fighting to get some NHL games but out as well, he is another Gambrell. This is all DJ Dorion fodder : OUT

Joseph and Greig should be untouchable, we need more players like them not less. They're not expensive and play over 200 ft, they play the "right way" despite having infected by ultra bad coaching

Zub is a defensive RHD, can't afford to move these due to scarcity around the league

Giroux is one of the best vets we could have, we need more like him, not less

Batherson is a weapon, his contract makes him invaluable

Brannstrom I don't know... If we plan to keep all of Chabot, Sanderson and Chychrun and play them on LD, then we have to move him. And what about Kleven? He's also LHD. That said, he has to be moved smartly, need to get an useful cost controlled 2-way forward

Kastelic and JBD are cheap depth : keep them

Forsberg : only 1 year left, only goalie to have a strong season during this DJ Dorion era... even this season has had some very strong games... might as well keep him

Other players you don't move at all : Stutzle, Sanderson, Chabot, Pinto

You obviously don't want to move them (particularly Tkachuk) but they need to be "re-programmed" so have to see if it's possible

Questionable : Tkachuk, Norris, Chychrun, Brannstrom, Korpisalo


???????? - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - Giroux
Greig - Pinto - Joseph
???????? - Kastelic - ????????

Sanderson - ????????
Chabot - Zub
Chychrun - JBD

????????
Forsberg

But first things first, need to purge the most recent Dorion acquisitions (as usual, damages the team) : Kubalik, Tarasenko, Korpisalo, MacEwen, Hamonic (and Kelly)

I guarantee that if we re-allocate the 14.1375 more adequately, the roster would already be vastly improved.

Not bad although I highly doubt we get anything back for Brannstrom as he is vastly overpaid for his role and will require a 2M QO to keep beyond this season, I'm pretty sure he would clear waivers.

Kubalik and Tarasenko should be moved if possible with retention to get a pick. MacEwan can be up and down between Belleville and Ottawa, he provides energy but is a 5 minutes a game type player. Hamonic and Kelly PK and until someone else can do it we might as well keep them. Kelly makes less than league minimum.

Until this team plays properly I wouldn't touch the goaltending.

 

[DrEasy]

Hamonic is untradeable, and he has a NMC anyway (and unlikely to waive it) (1% chance). I see Kubalik gone for sure (99%), Tarasenko very likely (70%). One of the goalies and/or JBD might be gone (50%). Among the big names, Chychrun would be my pick (30%). Brannstrom another possibility only if we can get a good return (mid-round pick) (35%).

 

[Xspyrit]

Hamonic (probably untradeable unless Ottawa eats some of the salary)

Parker Kelly (not sure if he has any trade interest or value, but he has been playing strong 2-way 4th line hockey, PKer, SH threat..car salesman pitch)

It's not about salary for Hamonic, his whole 1.1 could be buried by the team acquiring him without affecting cap space... but WHY would they? They'd need an incentive to do it. Either take another contract they would want LESS or give them a pick or something

Kelly is a nice little soldier, I like him but he's just not good enough in the end, need players that keep the play away from our net.

Not bad although I highly doubt we get anything back for Brannstrom as he is vastly overpaid for his role and will require a 2M QO to keep beyond this season, I'm pretty sure he would clear waivers.

Kubalik and Tarasenko should be moved if possible with retention to get a pick. MacEwan can be up and down between Belleville and Ottawa, he provides energy but is a 5 minutes a game type player. Hamonic and Kelly PK and until someone else can do it we might as well keep them. Kelly makes less than league minimum.

Until this team plays properly I wouldn't touch the goaltending.

lol ok... don't think we can have much of discussion.

Some might say "Brannstrom is being sheltered", playing half your minutes with the likes of Josh Brown, a decline Holden and Travis Hamonic is not what I'd call sheltered

But yet, among the 27 Sens players with at least 200 ES mins since 2022-23 :

4th in CF%
3rd in SF%
5th in GF%
2nd in xGF%

Even in terms of production, 2nd highest Pts/60 at ES behind Chychrun (among 9 D-men)

 

[BUCKLE UP]

I do think Batherson is the piece to move to shake up the team. I think a team will look at his contract and pay a premium if they look at his stats from the past month and a half.

If Chychrun doesn't want to stay long term, I would move him too. I pick Chabot over Chychrun every day as players.

Forsberg is definitley the odd goalie out, especially if we plan on bringing Sogaard up to back-up. I'd be scared to trade him to Toronto because it will definitely back fire.

Tank will return us a first, but ideally I hope he stays.

Kubalik we should trade for anything, Brannstrom will return us a 3rd/4th, Hamonic doesn't want to uproot his family and would probably prefer to sit in the press box and serve us our #7. Every organization has a Kelly and Kastelic, I can't see any return for them. No one is trading for MacEwan on a 3 year deal, but honestly he's looked much better his second stint and I don't mind him on the 4th line/13th forward.

The only thing I'm wondering is hypothetically if Giroux doesn't see a light at the end of the tunnel and wants playoffs, what do we get? Where do we send him?

 

[GCK]

It's not about salary for Hamonic, his whole 1.1 could be buried by the team acquiring him without affecting cap space... but WHY would they? They'd need an incentive to do it. Either take another contract they would want LESS or give them a pick or something

Kelly is a nice little soldier, I like him but he's just not good enough in the end, need players that keep the play away from our net.



lol ok... don't think we can have much of discussion.

Some might say "Brannstrom is being sheltered", playing half your minutes with the likes of Josh Brown, a decline Holden and Travis Hamonic is not what I'd call sheltered

But yet, among the 27 Sens players with at least 200 ES mins since 2022-23 :

4th in CF%
3rd in SF%
5th in GF%
2nd in xGF%

Even in terms of production, 2nd highest Pts/60 at ES behind Chychrun (among 9 D-men)

It’s not about Brannstrom the player it’s his 2M salary and 2M QO. I doubt that he’s movable but I could obviously be wrong.

 

[DueDiligence]

You can make the argument that Batherson is untouchable due to that amazing contract, but he's definitely tradable if we get a stud RHD, I would seek to complete that trade by other means though. I also like how versatile his game is. Are we playing a physical team? Batherson can do that, are we run and gunning?

Other players you don't move at all : Stutzle, Sanderson, Chabot, Pinto

Batherson is a weapon, his contract makes him invaluable

The love for Batherson is puzzling. Very good contract if you just look at points but he does nothing else well. Big guy who is not physical. Effort level is highly questionable. Prone to take lazy, bad penalties. Not that good along the boards. Overall defensive effort is lacking. He's the epitome of what's wrong with the team in that he will score a goal but make a bad play to let the other team score one as well. If a good deal came along for a top 4 RH Dman I would take it in a minute.

And Chabot being on the do not move list. Why? What does he do that's so special to justify keeping him? That doesn't mean he is bad or even average but I just don't see those great characteristics that make him untouchable.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Lets say STL win the lottery and there are no issues with NTC etc. Would you trade:

Tkachuk + Brannstrom + BOS 1st for Celebrini + Parayko (maybe with some retention)

or

Tkachuk + Norris + Brannstrom + BOS 1st -> Celebrini + Parayko + Thomas

Tkachuk+Norris for Celebrini+Kyrou+Hayes.

That united Tkachuk, Norris, and Thomas in STL and gives the Senators a culture shock.

Chabot for Karlsson. Karlsson has to promise to be cool.

Brannstrom+Tarasenko+Forsberg+Kubalik all gone.

Use cap to overpay 2-3 gritty hard working veterans like Chicago did.

Then we have a core of Celebrini, Stutzle, Sanderson, Karlsson, Chychrun, Greig, Giroux, Kyrou, Binnington, and Harmonic.

It worked in NHL 23, so it must be realistic.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Tkachuk+Norris for Celebrini+Kyrou+Hayes.

That united Tkachuk, Norris, and Thomas in STL and gives the Senators a culture shock.

Chabot for Karlsson. Karlsson has to promise to be cool.

Brannstrom+Tarasenko+Forsberg+Kubalik all gone.

Use cap to overpay 2-3 gritty hard working veterans like Chicago did.

Then we have a core of Celebrini, Stutzle, Sanderson, Karlsson, Chychrun, Greig, Giroux, Kyrou, Binnington, and Harmonic.

It worked in NHL 23, so it must be realistic.

Where did Binnington come from lol