Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It’s not about Brannstrom the player it’s his 2M salary and 2M QO. I doubt that he’s movable but I could obviously be wrong.

He is likely moveable as a rental for a 4th-7th pick closer to the TDL when teams have more open cap due to accruing cap throughout the season.

Any proven #7 D is usually worth at least a 7th. His cap hit is a hurdle though, and it doesn't make sense to burn a retention spot for anything less than a 4th.

Teams don't have to qualify him. A team in a situation like the Islanders were with injuries on D could acquire him as a rental.

Where did Binnington come from lol

Oh man I shouldn't post on mobile.

I had a Binnington/Korpisalo swap in there but took it out because clearly that would make that proposal too unrealistic, when it was already so far rooted in reality.

 

[HSF]

I wouldn't move anyone outside of Tarasenko (can't believe people were saying this was a worthy DBC replacement) and Kubalik (lol)


I would keep the core in tact and see what coaching can do to help them. They need a proper RD who has grit like a Tanev...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The love for Batherson is puzzling. Very good contract if you just look at points but he does nothing else well. Big guy who is not physical. Effort level is highly questionable. Prone to take lazy, bad penalties. Not that good along the boards. Overall defensive effort is lacking. He's the epitome of what's wrong with the team in that he will score a goal but make a bad play to let the other team score one as well. If a good deal came along for a top 4 RH Dman I would take it in a minute.

And Chabot being on the do not move list. Why? What does he do that's so special to justify keeping him? That doesn't mean he is bad or even average but I just don't see those great characteristics that make him untouchable.

As Bobby Ryan says he is likely the 2nd most skilled forward we have .. I agree with that. He is a big body winger at a really good price point that seems to be adapting to the new coaching. Batherson would be far down my list of players that we could get more value from.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tarasenko, Kubalik and Brannstrom are the obvious ones to move out. If Tarasenko will waive.

 

[HSF]

If a team is looking into Bunting (32 thoughts podcast) I wonder if it is Ottawa. Scarborough boy who brings a different element. He is not young but also not old. Maybe tarasenko and a pick to give them a different look and a finisher

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Tarasenko, Kubalik and Brannstrom are the obvious ones to move out. If Tarasenko will waive.

They are the most obvious. I think they will try to move all 3 by the TDL.
I also think they will start identifying holes to fill and the profile of the player they want to fill them. That could result in more moves.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

If a team is looking into Bunting (32 thoughts podcast) I wonder if it is Ottawa. Scarborough boy who brings a different element. He is not young but also not old. Maybe tarasenko and a pick to give them a different look and a finisher

The problem is Bunting has a 10-team NTC, and I find it hard to believe he'd accept a trade to a 29th place team on which he'd take home ~$300k less per year due to taxes.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

They are the most obvious. I think they will try to move all 3 by the TDL.
I also think they will start identifying holes to fill and the profile of the player they want to fill them. That could result in more moves.

I assume they will. Makes sense.

I also assumed any major surgery would come in the summer, but maybe we see some fireworks if the right deal comes up. Chychrun's contract situation will impact re-shaping the D too, so that'll be interesting as it really should be dealt with by this summer at the latest over letting him run in to the season as an expiring deal.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I assume they will. Makes sense.

I also assumed any major surgery would come in the summer, but maybe we see some fireworks if the right deal comes up. Chychrun's contract situation will impact re-shaping the D too, so that'll be interesting as it really should be dealt with by this summer at the latest over letting him run in to the season as an expiring deal.

I agree that should and will be given a hard look.

 

[HSF]

The problem is Bunting has a 10-team NTC, and I find it hard to believe he'd accept a trade to a 29th place team on which he'd take home ~$300k less per year due to taxes.

good point

maybe close to home he would be down

I do wonder how other players look at ottawa now with new ownership and management

 

[DueDiligence]

As Bobby Ryan says he is likely the 2nd most skilled forward we have .. I agree with that. He is a big body winger at a really good price point that seems to be adapting to the new coaching. Batherson would be far down my list of players that we could get more value from.

But he doesn't play like a big body. He plays a soft game.

 

[HSF]

Jason York basically predicting that a core piece might get traded before the trade deadline in order to shock the locker room and its country club attitude.

I am gonna predict Josh Norris.

He's a #2 center with Pinto coming back in January and Greig already here. He's kind of in their way.

He's not that effective 5on5. Mostly a PP specialist with that shot.

Not that great defensively. Doesn't PK.

He's Brady's best friend.

doubt anyone from the core is moved especially down the middle

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If the goal of management is to fix this team with a quick re-tool, they need assets+cap space to do that. They won't have a lot of flexibility with who they move to accomplish that. Outside of the untouchables like Sanderson, Stutzle, and Tkachuk, there are very few players who are moveable AND will return major assets.

I think they are going to come to a conclusion that not only is who they move important, but it's also important not to go into next season with the exact same lineup. They need to move out a big chunk of the players in order to force change to whatever norms are preventing this group from moving forward.

You have to consider that with a lot of the names that people put up to move (Norris, Chabot, etc) - they may not get either cap space or assets. Those players have massive contracts with a lot of term. They are coming off of bad seasons and multiple injuries.

It's unlikely that we get both cap space and assets for those players as they currently are. Any trades available are going to be hockey trades for other players who need a change of scenery.

That's why I think it might end up being Chychrun and Batherson who are traded at the trade deadline. Trading both those players would return multiple 1st and 2nd round picks. It's also a lot more likely that the Senators could trade both while taking back less cap. They might have to take back a pending UFA to equalize the cap, but sending a 5M cap hit with 1-3 years left has a lot less roadblocks than sending an 8M+ cap hit with 4-6 years left.

 

[NyQuil]

I wouldn't move anyone outside of Tarasenko (can't believe people were saying this was a worthy DBC replacement) and Kubalik (lol)

I don’t think people were saying he would replace DBC as opposed to fill his role in the top six.

That’s like assuming people thought Bobby Ryan would replace Daniel Alfredsson.

 

[HSF]

I don’t think people were saying he would replace DBC as opposed to fill his role in the top six.

That’s like assuming people thought Bobby Ryan would replace Daniel Alfredsson.

The current version of Tank is not what this team needs

 

[NyQuil]

The current version of Tank is not what this team needs

Well, he’s not going to get any better so he’s the obvious guy to move out if possible.

I’m not as down as some people on his performance but he’s a complementary player at this point and if your team is ass he is complementarily bad.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

But he doesn't play like a big body. He plays a soft game.

He's not a crusher but his size allows him to possess the puck. DD we know you are not a fan of DB

 

[DueDiligence]

He's not a crusher but his size allows him to possess the puck. DD we know you are not a fan of DB

Not one of my favourites because I think he is inclined to be lazy. If he would use that size to play harder along the walls and defend then I am all for him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not one of my favourites because I think he is inclined to be lazy. If he would use that size to play harder along the walls and defend then I am all for him.

Last year he was a disaster. He is better this year. We could look at every player and point out where they can be better

 

[HSF]

Well, he’s not going to get any better so he’s the obvious guy to move out if possible.

I’m not as down as some people on his performance but he’s a complementary player at this point and if your team is ass he is complementarily bad.

I think he has done excellent for what he is which is a support player who is going to make some good plays and put up points. The sens need to bring in either speed or sandpaper in that spot imo

I would keep Batherson. He seems to have a willingness to improve his play. I don't think he needs to be physical to be an effective player on this team. If anything maybe the sens need to find a big body to play on his opposite wing

 

[NyQuil]

I think he has done excellent for what he is which is a support player who is going to make some good plays and put up points. The sens need to bring in either speed or sandpaper in that spot imo

I would keep Batherson. He seems to have a willingness to improve his play. I don't think he needs to be physical to be an effective player on this team. If anything maybe the sens need to find a big body to play on his opposite wing

Batherson’s contract is such a potential steal that it’s hard to cut bait.

I like his overall package of skills - he just needs to fix what is in between the ears.

I hope it can be done.

 

[Xspyrit]

The love for Batherson is puzzling. Very good contract if you just look at points but he does nothing else well. Big guy who is not physical. Effort level is highly questionable. Prone to take lazy, bad penalties. Not that good along the boards. Overall defensive effort is lacking. He's the epitome of what's wrong with the team in that he will score a goal but make a bad play to let the other team score one as well. If a good deal came along for a top 4 RH Dman I would take it in a minute.

And Chabot being on the do not move list. Why? What does he do that's so special to justify keeping him? That doesn't mean he is bad or even average but I just don't see those great characteristics that make him untouchable.

Only Joseph has higher ES Pts/60 than Batherson this season. I understand that he leaves people wanting something more in other areas of the game but if he's put with the right linemates in a proper NHL system, he's not a problem at all. He doesn't even have th worse defensive metrics on the team

I hope Martin is going to go with Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson, they have great metrics together this season (even if just 55 mins). Tkachuk and Stutzle are good at keeping the puck so that's where Batherson becomes even more valuable, when he doesn't have to defend

I'd go :

Greig - Norris - Giroux
Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
Joseph - Pinto - Tarasenko

Kubalik needs to be moved asap

Regarding Chabot, it's illustrated here :




Let me know if you have questions regarding this. I think the judgements on individual players are being cloud because the team sucks as a whole. External fans do the same, everyone in Ottawa must suck because lol look at the team record!

 

[Relapsing]

I think he has done excellent for what he is which is a support player who is going to make some good plays and put up points. The sens need to bring in either speed or sandpaper in that spot imo

I would keep Batherson. He seems to have a willingness to improve his play. I don't think he needs to be physical to be an effective player on this team. If anything maybe the sens need to find a big body to play on his opposite wing

I'd keep Batherson too - he has, imo, been the most engaged player with the coaching change.

If part of what we're evaluating here is players ability and willingness to adapt to how they need to play to find success, then he's an instant keeper.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

Batherson’s contract is such a potential steal that it’s hard to cut bait.

I like his overall package of skills - he just needs to fix what is in between the ears.

I hope it can be done.

Batherson and Chychrun, due to their contracts, are also the best pieces we have if a bit of a roster shakeup is needed.

I think everyone can agree that it'd be crazy to trade Tkachuk, Stützle or Sanderson at this point. Chabot, with the money he's owed, would be harder. And Norris, with how much time he's missed and his injury history, has no value at this point. He needs to play, at least, a full season.

So if the mix needs to be changed, it's probably one of those two.

 

[Relapsing]

Batherson and Chychrun, due to their contracts, are also the best pieces we have if a bit of a roster shakeup is needed.

I think everyone can agree that it'd be crazy to trade Tkachuk, Stützle or Sanderson at this point. Chabot, with the money he's owed, would be harder. And Norris, with how much time he's missed and his injury history, has no value at this point. He needs to play, at least, a full season.

So if the mix needs to be changed, it's probably one of those two.

Chychrun.

If we're keeping our other PMD, then he should be the one to go. Who cares he just got here - he'll net us a good return, we should never have made the trade in the first place, and management didn't bring him here in the first place.