Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[SpezDispenser]

I mean I am happy to take that bet if @SpezDispenser wants the action on it.

Lol, no betting for me. I just think he'll be the guy we use to bring some value back.

I think it's more likely we move one of Chabot or Chychrun to make room for Kleven, or another more defensive minded physical LHD.

What kind of return could we get for a 50% reduced Chychrun at the deadline? I think it would be a haul for a contender looking for a #2 D at 2.3M for next year as well.

I'd hate to move Chychrun. Basically wouldn't do it unless he said he wasn't going to sign.

Chabot, i would think about.

 

[HSF]

Wanting to trade away our significant players is some weird, normalized form of psychopathy.

ya very odd around here

trade Chychrun or Chabot to make room for Kleven? holy

 

[ottawagm]

ya very odd around here

trade Chychrun or Chabot to make room for Kleven? holy

Brady, Timmy and Sandy should be the only untouchable players. Everyone else should be on the table for the right deal that improves the team long term.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Wanting to trade away our significant players is some weird, normalized form of psychopathy.

Not sure anyone wants to dump good players.

We shall see how things develop under Martin but I wouldn't be surprised if a significant trade happens once we have a new GM/coach.

This core hasn't been anywhere near good enough for the entirety to be considered untouchable.

 

[2CHAINZ]

ya very odd around here

trade Chychrun or Chabot to make room for Kleven? holy

Kleven couldn't win a roster spot on this tire fire, and he looked bad. Now we are trading Chabot or Chyc to fit him in? Man Martin is amazing already has Kelven playing those two out of the lineup.

 

[Bileur]

ya very odd around here

trade Chychrun or Chabot to make room for Kleven? holy

Not worried. If I remember anything from Jacques Martin is that Kleven will have to rip that roster spot out of a vet’s hands on merit. He won’t be given a spot like that.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Not worried. If I remember anything from Jacques Martin is that Kleven will have to rip that roster spot out of a vet’s hands on merit. He won’t be given a spot like that.

Although with this team those vets he is competing with are Branstrom, Hamonic, and JBD.

Perhaps not as hard as it sounds… I agree that he has to earn it, but a spot is there for the taking, for one of the kids. Maybe it will be Guenette, or even Donovan or Tompson who step up first.

Then again maybe Bran and JBD fend off the rest. In Jacque we trust again!

 

[ottawagm]

Kleven couldn't win a roster spot on this tire fire, and he looked bad. Now we are trading Chabot or Chyc to fit him in? Man Martin is amazing already has Kelven playing those two out of the lineup.

Bet he would have made the team out of camp if he had a right hand shot.

Chabot looks horrible on the right and ok on the left. We don't need 3x 8M LHD so one of those two will be on the way out. Chabot's NTC kicks in, in July, and Chychrun has 1 year left. I don't see one of them making it past the draft unless JM can get one of them looking good on the right side.

 

[BradyTkachucky]

Not worried. If I remember anything from Jacques Martin is that Kleven will have to rip that roster spot out of a vet’s hands on merit. He won’t be given a spot like that.

Kleven is a boy in a mans league.

 

[Loach]

Bet he would have made the team out of camp if he had a right hand shot.

Chabot looks horrible on the right and ok on the left. We don't need 3x 8M LHD so one of those two will be on the way out. Chabot's NTC kicks in, in July, and Chychrun has 1 year left. I don't see one of them making it past the draft unless JM can get one of them looking good on the right side.

Maybe he will roll three pairs instead of playing the shit out of the top two. Chabot, Sanderson and Chychrun all on the left side, all playing reasonable minutes, all striking fear into the opposition! Chaaaaarge!

 

[DrEasy]

Maybe he will roll three pairs instead of playing the shit out of the top two. Chabot, Sanderson and Chychrun all on the left side, all playing reasonable minutes, all striking fear into the opposition! Chaaaaarge!

DJ didn't give Branny much of a shot playing on the right side, even though we were told he could do it (and when he did he seemed ok to me). I'm curious what will happen when Chabot comes back, assuming some other LD doesn't get injured in the meantime as is Senators' tradition.

 

[BradyTkachucky]

I'll bet Batherson is here next season. I'd even be willing to bet Batherson is here for the remainder of his contract if you want to give me odds. If not, I'll bet 1 to 1, nothing crazy, up to $500–$1,000. That Batherson will be here for Game 1 next season.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Bet he would have made the team out of camp if he had a right hand shot.

Chabot looks horrible on the right and ok on the left. We don't need 3x 8M LHD so one of those two will be on the way out. Chabot's NTC kicks in, in July, and Chychrun has 1 year left. I don't see one of them making it past the draft unless JM can get one of them looking good on the right side.

I bet he would have won a spot if he was good enough. He has not looked good in the NHL even once. I agree we should explore moving one of them, but I don't think we should be moving one of them and giving Kleven a D spot, at least not yet. I would imagine a cheaper, more defensive LD would be part of the trade.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Not worried. If I remember anything from Jacques Martin is that Kleven will have to rip that roster spot out of a vet’s hands on merit. He won’t be given a spot like that.

I don't know if that's necessarily true. People remember Jason Spezza, but I think he came in with a bit of an ego and desire to play a high-skill, high-risk game out of the gate. Jacques wanted him to work on other parts first.

But some of our former players were put in prominent roles pretty early:

Havlat, Hossa, Redden, Phillips and Bonk were all 19 when they became regulars
Volchenkov and Fisher were 20
Vermette and Rachunek were 21
Neil was 22

Now there were some bumps and benchings, but they were all NHLers at those ages.

 

[Bileur]

I don't know if that's necessarily true. People remember Jason Spezza, but I think he came in with a bit of an ego and desire to play a high-skill, high-risk game out of the gate. Jacques wanted him to work on other parts first.

But some of our former players were put in prominent roles pretty early:

Havlat, Hossa, Redden, Phillips and Bonk were all 19 when they became regulars
Volchenkov and Fisher were 20
Vermette and Rachunek were 21
Neil was 22

Now there were some bumps and benchings, but they were all NHLers at those ages.

My point wasn’t that he didn’t give young guys opportunities. It was that he made them earn the opportunities. All the guys you listed beat out incumbents in camp.

Earning ice time by beating out people like Dineen or Dackell wasn’t that tall an order for Hossa or Havlat.

Redden was clearly a top 4 option when he came in.

Phillips had to play both ways until he earned a full time D spot.

Fisher, and Volchenkov forced the sens hands with imposing physical play. I distinctly remember Volchenkov in particular blowing up some leafs like Jonas Hoglund.

Vermette had worked on his two way game while dominating offensively in the AHL and his speed was a huge asset, he was definitely the best option on the 4th line.

Neil knew the sens needed toughness. He put up 354 PIMs in his last season in the minors. Then, after the sens got swept and bullied by the leafs in 4 games, he came to training camp and fought every game in preseason including against Domi and Corson, while also being an imposing hitter. He made Roy expendable.

Jacques is not just going to get the team to trade players, particularly good players like Chabot and Chychrun, to make room for an unproven Kleven who didn’t earn a longer look when he was given the chance.

Let him dominate the AHL before we send off guys who are doing ok in the NHL.

 

[DaveMatthew]

My point wasn’t that he didn’t give young guys opportunities. It was that he made them earn the opportunities. All the guys you listed beat out incumbents in camp.

Earning ice time by beating out people like Dineen or Dackell wasn’t that tall an order for Hossa or Havlat.

Redden was clearly a top 4 option when he came in.

Phillips had to play both ways until he earned a full time D spot.

Fisher, and Volchenkov forced the sens hands with imposing physical play. I distinctly remember Volchenkov in particular blowing up some leafs like Jonas Hoglund.

Vermette had worked on his two way game while dominating offensively in the AHL and his speed was a huge asset, he was definitely the best option on the 4th line.

Neil knew the sens needed toughness. He put up 354 PIMs in his last season in the minors. Then, after the sens got swept and bullied by the leafs in 4 games, he came to training camp and fought every game in preseason including against Domi and Corson, while also being an imposing hitter. He made Roy expendable.

Jacques is not just going to get the team to trade players, particularly good players like Chabot and Chychrun, to make room for an unproven Kleven who didn’t earn a longer look when he was given the chance.

I don’t for a second think he’d push the team to move Chabot or Chychrun to make room for Kleven.

But I don’t think he’d hesitate to scratch Hamonic if Guenette came up and played better.

 

[Bileur]

I don’t for a second think he’d push the team to move Chabot or Chychrun to make room for Kleven.

But I don’t think he’d hesitate to scratch Hamonic if Guenette came up and played better.

100% agree.

But he has to play better.

 

[HSF]

Bet he would have made the team out of camp if he had a right hand shot.

Chabot looks horrible on the right and ok on the left. We don't need 3x 8M LHD so one of those two will be on the way out. Chabot's NTC kicks in, in July, and Chychrun has 1 year left. I don't see one of them making it past the draft unless JM can get one of them looking good on the right side.

Kleven had a poor camp

he wasn't making it even when DJ and Dorion have a boner everytime they see him

 

[BankStreetParade]

I don't know if that's necessarily true. People remember Jason Spezza, but I think he came in with a bit of an ego and desire to play a high-skill, high-risk game out of the gate. Jacques wanted him to work on other parts first.

But some of our former players were put in prominent roles pretty early:

Havlat, Hossa, Redden, Phillips and Bonk were all 19 when they became regulars
Volchenkov and Fisher were 20
Vermette and Rachunek were 21
Neil was 22

Now there were some bumps and benchings, but they were all NHLers at those ages.

Spezza would fit right in with this group. Drop passes/60 through the roof and never won a championship. He's the poster boy for what this group is currently trending towards - a super skilled guy who always left you wanting more, who made you pull your hair out, who never committed defensively the way he committed offensively. A shitload of jaw-dropping highlight reels except for the one that actually matters.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Remember how Martin decided to bench Spezza when we desperately needed goals in the 2003 ECF game 7, and against Belfour in 2004?

Let's hope he doesn't do that this time around.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Remember how Martin decided to bench Spezza when we desperately needed goals in the 2003 ECF game 7, and against Belfour in 2004?

Let's hope he doesn't do that this time around.

Guaranteed he won't do that this time around

 

[HF Reader]

Remember how Martin decided to bench Spezza when we desperately needed goals in the 2003 ECF game 7, and against Belfour in 2004?

Let's hope he doesn't do that this time around.

At least it would mean we made the ECF.

 

[NB613]

Brady, Timmy and Sandy should be the only untouchable players. Everyone else should be on the table for the right deal that improves the team long term.

Add chabby - seriously underrated here

Remember how Martin decided to bench Spezza when we desperately needed goals in the 2003 ECF game 7, and against Belfour in 2004?

Let's hope he doesn't do that this time around.

Lmao lets win one damn game in the season first. Would much rather a coach that gets fired after making playoffs so many times than one who cant even get a .500 record during the season.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Everyday it becomes more uncomfortably obvious that this core is rotten together. That the leadership is trash.

It's only Stutzle and Sanderson as untouchables.

 

[Big Muddy]

DJ didn't give Branny much of a shot playing on the right side, even though we were told he could do it (and when he did he seemed ok to me). I'm curious what will happen when Chabot comes back, assuming some other LD doesn't get injured in the meantime as is Senators' tradition.

I have wondered for some time how the imbalance of LD vs. RD will work out and made that comment a few times during the summer. And I wondered out loud during the pre-trade Chychrun discussions as well as Chychrun was ostensibly being viewed as a RD by some although historical data said otherwise. We've got 4 good/skilled defensemen, but do we have 2 good, solid top 2 "pairings"? That's another challenge for our new coaches going forward.