Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Ouroboros]

Korpisalo goals saved above expected:

15-16: 11
16-17: 1.09
17-18: -7.95
18-19: -10.11
19-20: -8.94
20-21: -18.06
21-22: -14.87
22-23: 16.72
23-14: -16.76

Two good years, one draw even year, and every other year he was horrible.

It's just a mystery why this guy hasn't been good this year. Nobody could have seen it coming.

 

[Alex1234]

If we have to Keep Korpi
Add Luukkonen for 1M and Kahkonen for 3M
.905 and .914 with bad defensive team

Ride the Finished Trio...
I mean Finnish

 

[Hale The Villain]

He was really good one year, you know who else was really good one year, Forsberg, he had a .917 on a bottom feeding Ottawa team and actually played a starters load.

6 out of 9 seasons he has been well below average, an alternative goalie doesn't make him good, like I said, he's never once in his career played a starters load,

We need to run as fast as we can from this contract, flip him for Campbell if we can, EDM gets a lower cap hit this year, and a lower buyout cap hit for 6 years, we get a chance at a reclamation where a change of scenery could actually work, but if not, the buyout is two years shorter

There is no logic to going with Korpisalo over Forsberg I can see,

That year was last year. Forsberg hasn't been good for two seasons now and has a much shorter contract, which means a much more palatable buyout.

I don't understand why people think it's so much better that we go with:

Starter: Trade/UFA
Backup: Forsberg
AHL: Sogaard/Merilainen

then

Starter: Trade/UFA
Backup: Korpisalo
AHL: Sogaard/Merilainen

If we keep Forsberg over Korpisalo we're still likely to have a bad goalie as our backup.

It's not like Forsberg is a good goalie. He's a career .906 SV% guy whereas Korpisalo is a career .902 SV% guy.

I could understand the logic of buying out Korpisalo over Forsberg if we were in desperate need of additional cap space and were therefore willing to stomach an 8 year buyout cap hit instead of a 2 year buyout cap hit, but I don't expect that will be the case.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Problem is there are what half a dozen top goalies, we’d likely end up with another Korpisalo.

f***. There must be one somewhere, this is getting pathetic.

 

[JungleBeat]

I miss the playoffs man, these meaningless games are shit

 

[Sun God Nika]

Yeah we really don't need Karlsson on this team anymore unless he came cheap. Use that money on a primarily defensive dman and use the leftover money for depth elsewhere.

As painful as it is to say I agree.

EK would be fun, but I just wanna see this team win a chip and EK is not that piece even if paired with Sanderson. He was that piece if this was 4 years earlier.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

I miss the playoffs man, these meaningless games are shit

Yeah, wishing for the team to lose to help get a better position in the draft for a player that probably won't help the team for at least 3 years (if at all) is garbage. Getting sick of this shit.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Saros for Norris makes sense as the base of a trade with a filler contract going to Ottawa to equal out the cap.

That's assuming Saros is what he appears to be, a legitimate top goalie - and that Ottawa can talk to him prior to a trade to see if he will sign an extension on July 1st. I am not going to pretend to have any idea about goalies.

He will likely cost similar money to Norris on an extension, so it would be money in/out long-term. You're looking at 6.5M-8M, depending on how motivated he is to sign early. Hellebucyk signed at 8.5M and has a better resume so that is why I'd peg 8M as the worst-case-scenario type ceiling.

If Norris was playing like he did when he earned that contract, it wouldn't make any sense. In a sense, both players would have risk. Goalies are notoriously difficult to project long-term. Norris has shoulder injuries dating back to College, and is not playing anywhere near where he did previously. He is also signed long-term.

Nashville has cap space, but they also have a few expiring contracts, or contracts with only a year left that could possible be used to help make it closer to cap in/out.

As painful as it is to say I agree.

EK would be fun, but I just wanna see this team win a chip and EK is not that piece even if paired with Sanderson. He was that piece if this was 4 years earlier.

It depends. Back when he was a kid Erik Karlsson used to play goalie, so he might be an upgrade on Korpisalo.

 

[Micklebot]

That year was last year. Forsberg hasn't been good for two seasons now and has a much shorter contract, which means a much more palatable buyout.

I don't understand why people think it's so much better that we go with:

Starter: Trade/UFA
Backup: Forsberg
AHL: Sogaard/Merilainen

then

Starter: Trade/UFA
Backup: Korpisalo
AHL: Sogaard/Merilainen

If we keep Forsberg over Korpisalo we're still likely to have a bad goalie as our backup.

It's not like Forsberg is a good goalie. He's a career .906 SV% guy whereas Korpisalo is a career .902 SV% guy.

I could understand the logic of buying out Korpisalo over Forsberg if we were in desperate need of additional cap space and were therefore willing to stomach an 8 year buyout cap hit instead of a 2 year buyout cap hit, but I don't expect that will be the case.

Forsberg had a 902 sv% last year, league average was 904, he wasn't really that bad at all, if you think based on their careers that Forsberg isn't good, to be consistent you'd have to think Korpisalo is terrible because frankly, aside from one outlier, he's been well below average.

You're falling for the same trap Dorion did, get caught up in one good year and think that's representative of the player. there are 8 other years to go by and most of them he was terrible. Just to put it in perspective, this year, we all agree Forsberg has been bad, yet he has a Quality start rate of .500%. Korpisalo has had a quality start % lower than .500 (significantly lower in most if not all depending how you want to define significant) in 6 of his 9 seasons.

Riding it out is insane, a buyout whether we do it now or in a year is still more than half a decade, and it's inevitable. just live with the reality that we'll have 1.3 mil on the books for the next 8 years thanks to dorion and move on.

 

[Crosside]

We have scout at the Coyote vs Montreal game

 

[GCK]

That year was last year. Forsberg hasn't been good for two seasons now and has a much shorter contract, which means a much more palatable buyout.

I don't understand why people think it's so much better that we go with:

Starter: Trade/UFA
Backup: Forsberg
AHL: Sogaard/Merilainen

then

Starter: Trade/UFA
Backup: Korpisalo
AHL: Sogaard/Merilainen

If we keep Forsberg over Korpisalo we're still likely to have a bad goalie as our backup.

It's not like Forsberg is a good goalie. He's a career .906 SV% guy whereas Korpisalo is a career .902 SV% guy.

I could understand the logic of buying out Korpisalo over Forsberg if we were in desperate need of additional cap space and were therefore willing to stomach an 8 year buyout cap hit instead of a 2 year buyout cap hit, but I don't expect that will be the case.

Wasting cap space is always a bad idea. The only buyout should be Hamonic as his buyout + Guenette is cap neutral.

 

[ijif]

Forsberg's goals saved above expected...

14-15: -4.7
15-16: 1.68
17-18: -4.69
19-20: -1.57
20-21: -0.08
21-22: 11.49
22-23: 2.94
23-24: -4.05

That is what an inconsistent goalie looks like.

When you have two good years out of nine, you are not inconsistent. Your are consistently bad.

 

[mysens]

We have scout at the Coyote vs Montreal game

We are trying to figure out how to give back Chychrun to Arizona

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Yeah that was a very bad run of moves, they've essentially thrown away their past 3 top 12 1st round picks, there is nowhere to go but up with regards to sunk costs

Get a futures package and use those to trade for a guy at the draft, use their own 1st wisely, and they are sitting pretty compared to what we have become used to

It was more a comment about how the whole DeBrincat situation played out. The fact that Dorion mismanaged the Dadanov trade which has cost the organization a future 1st round pick and the fact that Kubalik has had a terrible season and will likely get the team minimal return, if any at all, essentially amounts to zero return for DeBrincat.

The fact that the Sens didn't even make the playoffs means the trade can't even be justified as a kind of temporary success.

It was high quality assets for one season of under performance by a player who wasn't willing to commit for term. No playoffs as a result of the trade and DeBrincat's poor performance lead to a decrease in trade value. Then to top it all off, the salvaged value is going to amount to pretty much nothing.

At least with Chychrun there is a chance of getting somewhat decent of a return in trading him. If the team gets anything at all it is still better than how the DeBrincat situation played out.

 

[Crosside]

Il y a beaucoup de bruit entourant Brady Tkachuk à Ottawa, affirme Renaud Lavoie

Ça ne peut pas être une coïncidence.

www.danslescoulisses.com

If Lavoie said he hear the rumor since the start of the season. Probably true, he s like the equivalent from Friedman in Quebec

 

[mysens]

Seeing we lost Norris and one of the guys to trade, we better trade Chychrun real soon or Staios could be left with no big moves. Unbelievable

 

[Crosside]

Seeing we lost Norris and one of the guys to trade, we better trade Chychrun real soon or Staios could be left with no big moves. Unbelievable

Tkachuk

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

We have scout at the Coyote vs Montreal game

Please don’t go after Dumba55.

 

[Crosside]

Please don’t go after Dumba55.

Ho yeah I forgot he played there. Probably him and Vejmelka

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Il y a beaucoup de bruit entourant Brady Tkachuk à Ottawa, affirme Renaud Lavoie

Ça ne peut pas être une coïncidence.

www.danslescoulisses.com

If Lavoie said he hear the rumor since the start of the season. Probably true, he s like the equivalent from Friedman in Quebec

“Who pisses in Ryan Whitney’s ears? Lavoie asked. Papa Tkachuk?"

 

[Ouroboros]

Smoke starting swirl around Tkachuk.

People are crazy if they think a guy like that is going to languish on a perennial loser team for his prime years.

 

[Wondercarrot]

https://www.tvasports.ca/2024/02/27/les-senateurs-echangeront-ils-brady-tkachuk

From Lavoie:

Même si les rumeurs entourant Tkachuk semblent farfelues, Lavoie est d’avis que quelque chose se trame à Ottawa.

«Il y a quelque chose qui est en train de se passer et qui se passe d’une certaine façon. On me dit qu’il y a des joueurs qui ne sont pas contents de la façon dont les choses se passent chez les Sénateurs. Et les dirigeants ne sont pas contents de la façon dont ça se passe avec des jeunes de l’organisation. Une chose est claire : que Brady Tkachuk demeure en place ou non, de grosses décisions devront être prises.»

 

[Ouroboros]

Buckle up.

 

[Bileur]

What the actual f*** man this team just can’t have anything nice. This is so thoroughly dissappointing.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Feels like we are never going to win honestly.

Seems like everything is falling apart obviously on the ice but now off it as well apparently.