Micklebot
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I might be wrong, but...
85,578,161
- 775,000 (Chartier)
-925,000 (Sogaard)
83,878,161 --> still 378,161 over the cap.
Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5
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I might be wrong, but...
85,578,161
- 775,000 (Chartier)
-925,000 (Sogaard)
83,878,161 --> still 378,161 over the cap.
Micklebot
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I mean, Chartier has been a regular on the PK and effective in the role, it's finally playing well and has actually been excellent in the last 10 games now. Idk, I think that's far more valuable than the 3 fights MacEwen has had.
We've been playing him more (and imo better) than Kastelic too.
Chartier is far from irreplaceable, but he adds more value than either of those guys at the moment. That said, we probably are less concerned about icing the best roster right now, and more concerned about long term implications, Kastelic has a bit more upside, and I guess MacEwen is a good vet in the room(???)
Agent Zuuuub
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he's not a one dimensional shooter though.
a one dimensional shooter would not crack an nhl playoff team as a 20 year old.
DJB
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Chattier is the definition of a JAG so this is a nothing burger.
But we should be dumping Kubalik who is a completely useless player just like I said he was .
Not good enough for your top 6 and does nothing in the bottom 6 and at least open up cap space if claimed
We will look much better without Tarasenko and Kubalik next year. Replace those guys with two middle 6 players who battle and we are in business
But we should be dumping Kubalik who is a completely useless player just like I said he was .
Not good enough for your top 6 and does nothing in the bottom 6 and at least open up cap space if claimed
We will look much better without Tarasenko and Kubalik next year. Replace those guys with two middle 6 players who battle and we are in business
BondraTime
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What other dimension does he have.
Even his shooting lol. Yeah playing with Kane could help .. but the hawks got rid of him. And he signed for quite cheap with the wings. Who traded him a year in.
Oh we’re talking about kaliyev. Not Kubalik.
Same difference i suspect. There’s no spot for kaliyev. He’s the opposite of what management is looking for.
Agent Zuuuub
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young players get scratched all the time.
he's a 22 year old 2nd round pick and that has played 175 games already on a team trying to win. if the only thing he could do was shoot he wouldn't be in the NHL.
I would love to pry Schneider out of New York. He's obviously someone would want to keep but he's behind Fox and Trouba on their right side and need a 3rd line C badly now that Chytil's career may be over and Goodrow obviously isn't up to the task.
As much as it would hurt to lose one of them, trading Pinto/Greig for Schneider could be a deal that makes sense for both teams.
Deal could be expanded if Goodrow is willing to waive to come here. Would gladly take him on if it meant getting a nice asset in return. Kakko could be a great buy-low target and needs a change of scenery. Could see them having some interest in Tarasenko and maybe Chychrun as well.
As much as it would hurt to lose one of them, trading Pinto/Greig for Schneider could be a deal that makes sense for both teams.
Deal could be expanded if Goodrow is willing to waive to come here. Would gladly take him on if it meant getting a nice asset in return. Kakko could be a great buy-low target and needs a change of scenery. Could see them having some interest in Tarasenko and maybe Chychrun as well.
jbeck5
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Our PK has been crap.
But I think the biggest difference is other guys can replace his PK minutes, but do we want other guys dropping the gloves?
It's about who's minutes are more easily replaced.
The team would probably rather put Norris or Timmy or litterally anyone on the PK and have MacEwan drop the gloves then have Chartier on the PK and have Brady drop the gloves.
frightenedinmatenum2
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That doesn't sound unrealistic. Philadelphia asking about Giroux isn't the same as Ottawa shopping him. I doubt Ottawa wants to trade him.
That doesn't mean he won't be traded. Giroux communicating that he'd appreciate and be open to a chance to move on, because clearly things here aren't where they all thought they were when he came isn't the same as a big acrimonious exit, or Ottawa shopping him.
If you're the Flyers, leaking your interest in a season where you have a shot at a playoff run might help nudge the situation in that direction.
The Flyers could give up a big package of picks/prospects for Giroux, and when you consider that they still have the FLA pick and a core player in Tippett from when they traded him 2 years ago, they likely still come out ahead.
BondraTime
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But that’s literally what he is, a shooter who can’t skate very well. They don’t have much value in the league. Ask for a description of him, a big shooter who doesn’t skate well. That’s why he’s being phased out of LA’s lineup.
It was his pre draft scouting report, and has been seen the exact same way since.
He’s not good enough in the top 6, and he’s useless in the bottom 6.
There’s a reason they’d trade him for a song. They are playing him on the 4th line with no PP time now, while having guys like Danault, Fagemo, Lafreierre and Trevor Moore on their PP. He’s just not an effective player other than having an absolutely ridiculous shot. That spot would be better filled by a guy like MacEwan or Kastelic, which is saying a lot.
Yeah, makes no sense to trade Giroux when Staios is saying they need more players like him. No need to rebuild this team to perpetuity, Staios understands that and he is trying to add to make this team competitive from opening night of 2024-2025 season. Tanev maybe a good veteran addition, though I am getting Hamonic vibes and am not sure if that's the right move for an aging d-man with lots of mileage. That's a move for the off-season, though Ottawa with their standings may have picks that are higher in value should the Sens decide on a trade and extend deal. Risky.
Tarasenko's pending UFA status may make him a candidate for trade, but only if Tarasenko wants to move as he dictates his NMC.
Tarasenko's pending UFA status may make him a candidate for trade, but only if Tarasenko wants to move as he dictates his NMC.
Agent Zuuuub
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we need many things but
Giroux is 36, Tarasenko may not be coming back, Norris has question marks.
We may need good offensive talent very soon, we also need size. Kaliyev uses his size, not like Brady but definitely like a Draisaitl and he will get better at it.
Kaliyev can shoot, he can pass, he has hockey iq, he has hands, he has size, he is hard to move, he can retain puck possession, and he shows a willingness to play defense. That is a multi dimensional forward.
Does he have things to work on? yes. so do timmy, brady, drake etc
BondraTime
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He can’t skate. At all. He is legitimately a hindrance to the skilled guys he plays because he can’t keep up. He’s Alex Chiasson with a cannon.
That’s why LA is looking to trade him for a depth player, but will likely need to add.
Micklebot
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In the last 10 games, which is what I was referencing, we're killing 85%, despite goaltending being an issue with this team. During those 10 games the xGA/60 has been a league best 3.65 on the pk.
He personally has the best GA/60 among regulars on the PK, and 2nd best xGA (to Joseph who has also been good on the PK). League wide, he's 30th in xGA/60 among forwards with50+ PK mins.
You don't improve the PK by getting rid of one of the only pieces that's actually been working on it. You get better by improving the weak points.
As far as dropping the gloves, Kastelic can lose a fight just as well as MacEwen can. We really don't need both so easiest part to replace is the one we have redundancy on.
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Agent Zuuuub
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good thing a young player can improve his skating and good thing we see it most often with the bigger young guys.
his stats and his line stats are fantastic some of the best on the kings, that we could get him cheap is a bonus not a negative.
very little risk for outsized reward.
BondraTime
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I legitimately think there is zero difference if you swap out Chartier with any of 4/5 guys in Ottawa.
That was a fun little run. Was hoping to see a full season of Hemmer and Spezza the next season.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Let's say Giroux pulls the "I would be open to a trade back to Philadelphia card". Trading Giroux in any capacity would be a disaster. Below isn't meant to be an exciting homerun of a trade.
Just a format of something that ticks multiple different boxes (acquire veteran, dump bad Dorion money, recoup assets).
Just a format of something that ticks multiple different boxes (acquire veteran, dump bad Dorion money, recoup assets).
- Giroux for 1st or 1st Round Prospect+Laughton
- Peterson+Deslauriers for Korpisalo (Bad money swap, all these players have negative value.)
- Hart either suspended or included in the trade as a paper contract (Sens won't use him or qualify him)
- Gets the Senators a veteran (Laughton) so it's veteran in/veteran out.
- Assuming the Senators buyout both Petersen and Deslauriers, it saves them 5M compared to a Korpisalo buyout and gets the money off the books 4 seasons earlier.
- Philadelphia don't think Korpisalo is the guy, the bad money swap is a consolation to Ottawa and Giroux is currently on a bargain of a cap hit so it's doable. With that said, they badly need help in net and there is a the small chance that with a change of scenery, he could help there.
How about Chychrun, Brannstrom (no retention) and one of our late 1st for Goodrow and Schneider?
BondraTime
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It’s nearly impossible to improve skating like that.
Guys don’t just learn how to skate after working on it for the past 10 years.
He’s legitimately one of the worst skaters in the league, and the chances of it improving is an incredibly, incredibly low number.
He’s an incredibly talented, and incredibly flawed player. His flaw is the most important part of todays hockey.
We can trade for him, but he’s not going to have a spot in the top 6, we’ll be in the same position the Kings are in with him now, looking to move him for a depth player.
I think this is all very temporary anyway. Once Kubalik and Tarasenko are gone we'll have room for all of Chartier, MacEwen and Kastelic...
Agent Zuuuub
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it's actually the opposite.
they think that management will stupidly move on from kaliyev so they can get a band aid depth player in return.
Let's Play "Guess the Stupid Deadline Trade"
No Doughty on the list is strange. If Rob is throwing in the towel Doughty should be the first to go. Might be a good idea to move him anyways. Unfortunately there's only one playoff team that wants a RD & has short term cap to move out & the assets to make it happen. They're in the Pacific...
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