Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Joeyjoejoe]

Kevin Weekes aka "Debrincat extension with Ottawa" speculated that Philly might be looking at Giroux on the NHL Network.

 

[GCK]

Pay the rental price for Tanev in a lost season and then try to sign him to a UFA deal he probably won't live up to.

Can't stress enough how stupid that would be. Reminds me when we dealt a 1st for Comrie and Campoli back in 09 when we were bottom 5.

It would be contingent on an extension and allow them to move a left D.

I shudder to think of the contract it would take to convince Tanev to waive his NTC to come to a bottom feeder and extend here when he's probably wanting to win a cup before his career is up.

Not a good idea.

Probably take a 3 x 4M

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He was actually really good for us in the last 25 games that year. Had 13 points in 25 games to finish the year and looked like a top 4 guy, then went back to being a bottom pairing guy the following year.

Helped us go from 5th worst to 9th worst and we ended up with Cowen instead of OEL/Kadri. Tried to offer extra picks to move back up to 7th to take Kadri but obviously Burke turned Murray down.

Case-in-point of why it doesn't make sense to add talent late in the year when the season is already lost. The cost isn't just the assets you give up to get the player. If they even help you win a couple extra games down the stretch your draft pick is getting knocked down and you may be forced to settle for a lesser talent.

The bolded I agree with for sure. Sort of like that silly Hemsky trade years ago made much too late. Wasn't arguing to make the move in this case, but clearly, Tanev is a much better player than Campoli ever was, not really in the same league even, and was more what I was stressing.

I guess maybe my memory is foggy. I've got little to no memories of Campoli having success in Ottawa that stuck in my head, and had it remembered as a bit of a disaster, but I'll take your word for it. Those were such up and down times and in general, the defence was lacking something significant pretty much all of Karlsson's tenure, so I'm sure we were ramming a square Campoli peg in a round hole in a role he had no business being in, as per usual at the time.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I miss Julien gauthier

 

[BondraTime]

Kevin Weekes aka "Debrincat extension with Ottawa" speculated that Philly might be looking at Giroux on the NHL Network.

He reported they were actively trying to sign Debrincat, which they were. Can't recall him saying an extension was done or soon to be announced



He has cemented himself as one of the more reliable insiders over the past 5 years without a doubt, of course not everything he hears will happen.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The bolded I agree with for sure. Sort of like that silly Hemsky trade years ago made much too late. Wasn't arguing to make the move in this case, but clearly, Tanev is a much better player than Campoli ever was, not really in the same league even, and was more what I was stressing.

I guess maybe my memory is foggy. I've got little to no memories of Campoli having success in Ottawa that stuck in my head, and had it remembered as a bit of a disaster, but I'll take your word for it. Those were such up and down times and in general, the defence was lacking something significant pretty much all of Karlsson's tenure, so I'm sure we were ramming a square Campoli peg in a round hole in a role he had no business being in, as per usual at the time.

The Hemsky trade didn't bother me a ton because we didn't have our 1st that year, already stupidly having panic traded it for Bobby.

Hemsky helped us go on a late run as well but it only hurt Anaheim. Him putting up almost a PPG down the stretch almost certainly helped us win a couple extra games, and two wins was all that separated the 10th worst team from the 6th worst team.

Made the Ducks miss out on a top talent like Nylander or Ehlers and they ended up getting Ritchie.

This is why teams almost never trade for good players late in the year when the playoffs are already out of reach. We're basically the only team that does it, and Staios reportedly being very interested in following Murray and Dorion's footsteps in this regard is extremely troubling.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He's been a solid soldier. Hopefully he clears and can help the BSens. He's been one of the smarter and better defensive forwards.

Surprising .. what else is coming?

 

[BondraTime]

Give ol' Boucher a cup of coffee

Probably just Hamonic back and Grieg back to center

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He's been a solid soldier. Hopefully he clears and can help the BSens. He's been one of the smarter and better defensive forwards.

Surprising .. what else is coming?

Man I thought he’s been good as fourth line Center.

 

[BondraTime]

Chartier isn't an NHLer and has no future with the Sens, sending him to Belleville is the right call.

Would be better off keeping that spot open (though it's just going to be used for Hamonic) and using it to get young guys games over the next 3 months.

 

[GCK]

I miss Julien gauthier

On Galchenyuk’s wing ?

 

[TheNewEra]

He's been a solid soldier. Hopefully he clears and can help the BSens. He's been one of the smarter and better defensive forwards.

Surprising .. what else is coming?

Figure something is coming because the move wasn't needed

Hamonic isn't on ir so it can't be activating him and it doesn't free up money for Forsberg even though Forsberg is far away. Gives us 790k to work with

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Why waive him now? Forsberg isn't coming off the LTIR.

 

[Micklebot]

He's been a solid soldier. Hopefully he clears and can help the BSens. He's been one of the smarter and better defensive forwards.

Surprising .. what else is coming?

We only have the one game left before the AS break, after that, perhaps Forsberg coming off waivers, but I think we'd have to waive sogaard plus one more guy (MacEwen perhaps)?

I suspect we'll want to get some moves made before Forsberg comes back to not have to be shuffling the roster just to fit guys in. If we can move Kubalik, great, but that's a long shot. If they aren't planing on extending Tank (or he has told them he isn't willing to commit yet) then I could see him getting moved soon.

I don't see anything major happening with any core guys until the offseason,

Edit: I got to say this is a bit odd, Chartier has been pretty effective on the PK,

 

[BigRig4]

Why waive him now? Forsberg isn't coming off the LTIR.

Maybe it's something like moving Kubalik/Tarasenko while also eating a cap dump?

 

[BondraTime]

Likely nothing going on, we don’t need 2 forwards sitting in the pressbox every night when the AHL team is in Belleville.

Stick with 13F, 7D and 2G.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The Hemsky trade didn't bother me a ton because we didn't have our 1st that year, already stupidly having panic traded it for Bobby.

Hemsky helped us go on a late run as well but it only hurt Anaheim. Him putting up almost a PPG down the stretch almost certainly helped us win a couple extra games, and two wins was all that separated the 10th worst team from the 6th worst team.

Made the Ducks miss out on a top talent like Nylander or Ehlers and they ended up getting Ritchie.

This is why teams almost never trade for good players late in the year when the playoffs are already out of reach. We're basically the only team that does it, and Staios reportedly being very interested in following Murray and Dorion's footsteps in this regard is extremely troubling.

Ya fair. It bothered me because, like you imply at the end, it was too late to bother sending any sort of assets for anything rental. Granted, he was cheap, iirc, but he was just a rental in an already lost season. Fools gold. It was just very odd timing wise, even though he did play well. Can't say I care about the impact on another franchise, but maybe that's a factor.

I guess we'll see what happens with SS's plan. I get the idea is probably not wise in general, but I don't think it's always guaranteed to fail. For all we know, it could cost us only a 2nd and a nobody and he signs say a 2 year reasonable deal. Tanev could be our Giroux on D, or perform well with age like Gonchar did. I doubt all that, but it's not out of the question. Very dependent on cost and contract and I think I do agree that Tanev proves too costly in the end and we don't acquire him.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

On Galchenyuk’s wing ?

Hmm. Interesting.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Likely nothing going on, we don’t need 2 forwards sitting in the pressbox every night when the AHL team is in Belleville.

Stick with 13F, 7D and 2G.

True that has been unusual. I just find it surprising a player that has been a constant in the lineup is the one chosen to be on waivers. He's been solid at 4C.; at the dot and on the PK... very little upside for anything else .. Maybe they want Greig at 4C .. Kasty has been pretty inconsistent but can project.

 

[BondraTime]

True that has been unusual. I just find it surprising a player that has been a constant in the lineup is the one chosen to be on waivers. He's been solid at 4C.; at the dot and on the PK... very little upside for anything else .. Maybe they want Greig at 4C .. Kasty has been pretty inconsistent.

I mean, he hasn’t really been anything more than filler, and aside from Grieg he’s the only one who will cost significantly less to have in the AHL.

MacEwan fills a role, Chartier is just kind of there, and will drop to 300k in Belleville.

Not that the money is significant, but Chartier is extremely insignificant in the lineup.

 

[Micklebot]

The Hemsky trade didn't bother me a ton because we didn't have our 1st that year, already stupidly having panic traded it for Bobby.

Hemsky helped us go on a late run as well but it only hurt Anaheim. Him putting up almost a PPG down the stretch almost certainly helped us win a couple extra games, and two wins was all that separated the 10th worst team from the 6th worst team.

Made the Ducks miss out on a top talent like Nylander or Ehlers and they ended up getting Ritchie.

This is why teams almost never trade for good players late in the year when the playoffs are already out of reach. We're basically the only team that does it, and Staios reportedly being very interested in following Murray and Dorion's footsteps in this regard is extremely troubling.

My hope is that the vets we add will be cap dumps coming back perhaps as part or to coincide with a bigger deal.

Say, Tarasenko out for a first, and we get a 3rd line winger or a bottom pair D plus another pick depending on the contract to balance it; so to Colorado for Manson, or NYR for Goodrow + some picks

 

[Micklebot]

I mean, he hasn’t really been anything more than filler, and aside from Grieg he’s the only one who will cost significantly less to have in the AHL.

MacEwan fills a role, Chartier is just kind of there, and will drop to 300k in Belleville.

Not that the money is significant, but Chartier is extremely insignificant in the lineup.

Chartier has been a pretty big part of our PK which is finally starting to click. I'd say that's a more important role than MacEwen,

 

[BondraTime]

Chartier has been a pretty big part of our PK which is finally starting to click. I'd say that's a more important role than MacEwen,

I don’t think Chartier is an important part of anything in the NHL, take pretty much any forward on the roster and they will be able to fill in for him. Pinto will be taking a spot back after starting the 2nd half of last season as a rookie, and both Stu and Grieg can more than fill in if need be. There’s not really a need for Chartier anywhere in the lineup.

MacEwan has the role of being the teams fighter and big guy, for better or worse.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sounds like a good theory

 

[Hale The Villain]

My hope is that the vets we add will be cap dumps coming back perhaps as part or to coincide with a bigger deal.

Say, Tarasenko out for a first, and we get a 3rd line winger or a bottom pair D plus another pick depending on the contract to balance it; so to Colorado for Manson, or NYR for Goodrow + some picks

I hope so too.

Taking on someone like Goodrow for assets would be a great move in comparison.