Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Sens Vader]

I like Tanev, I think he would be a great fit with Chychrun or Kleven (when he makes the jump)

Seems like one of Chabot or Chychrun will be on the move either at the deadline or summer

 

[RAFI BOMB]

It seems like a bigger trade could be had with Calgary. They have multiple pieces that could fit what the Sens are looking for. On top of Chris Tanev, they also have Mackenzie Weegar, Nazem Kadri and Blake Coleman. Kadri and Coleman in particular seem like a pretty strong match to the kind of forward the Sens have been rumored to be interested in.

 

[Skid]

It seems like a bigger trade could be had with Calgary. They have multiple pieces that could fit what the Sens are looking for. On top of Chris Tanev, they also have Mackenzie Weegar, Nazem Kadri and Blake Coleman. Kadri and Coleman in particular seem like a pretty strong match to the kind of forward the Sens have been rumored to be interested in.

Add Markstrom to that list too

 

[Masked]

Wow, Thompson was claimed off waivers on October 1st, and reclaimed a week later… don’t think he ever pulled a Ducks Jersey over his head, as they assigned him to their AHL affiliate…..

Hardly a change of scenery….

It's Thomson, not Thompson. Pretty sad that you can't remember the name of a first round pick who has been in the organization for many years now.

He did play for the Ducks. Had two giveaways that led to goals and was put back on waivers shortly after.

So if Anaheim, the furthest team in the league from Ottawa geographically, is not a change of scenery where would be?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Add Markstrom to that list too

It seems like a bigger trade could be had with Calgary. They have multiple pieces that could fit what the Sens are looking for. On top of Chris Tanev, they also have Mackenzie Weegar, Nazem Kadri and Blake Coleman. Kadri and Coleman in particular seem like a pretty strong match to the kind of forward the Sens have been rumored to be interested in.

I don’t trust markstrom.

We don’t exactly have a ton of cash. Kadri makes a shit load of money. Tanev seems to be the sweet spot on potential term, Money, and role. But don’t know why he would play here right now.

 

[milkbag]

Wow, Thompson was claimed off waivers on October 1st, and reclaimed a week later… don’t think he ever pulled a Ducks Jersey over his head, as they assigned him to their AHL affiliate…..

Hardly a change of scenery….

It's amazing how often you are so confidently incorrect

 

[BoardsofCanada]

It's amazing how often you are so confidently incorrect

wasn't it just pre-season?

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's Thomson, not Thompson. Pretty sad that you can't remember the name of a first round pick who has been in the organization for many years now.

He did play for the Ducks. Had two giveaways that led to goals and was put back on waivers shortly after.

So if Anaheim, the furthest team in the league from Ottawa geographically, is not a change of scenery where would be?

He only played an exhibition game, maybe 2, wasn’t even regular season.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Chiasson is a 600+ game guy with 200+ points. He was a useful player for a time in the NHL. Chiasson with Kaliyev’s shot is even better than the 600 game, 200 point guy he was.

Sokolov may not be a 20 game, 5 point guy.

They're both better than Sokolov obviously, especially Chiasson who was far less one dimensional than Kaliyev. Chiasson would at least go to the net and score more greasy type goals.

In style Kaliyev is more like Sokolov, IMO, who has a rocket of a shot and can score from distance but is painfully slow. Kaliyev thinks the game faster and has an even better release. He's a better player but their style, and AHL numbers, are pretty similar. Both just too slow to be top 6 players in the NHL. Just my two cents.

 

[jbeck5]

I don’t trust markstrom.

We don’t exactly have a ton of cash. Kadri makes a shit load of money. Tanev seems to be the sweet spot on potential term, Money, and role. But don’t know why he would play here right now.

If by sweet spot, you mean getting a guy who's older and about to massively decline like burrows or hamonic, then yeah...

A middle roster 35 year old and sweet shouldn't be used together when discussing a bottom of the conference team having to trade assets for him.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If by sweet spot, you mean getting a guy who's older and about to massively decline like burrows or hamonic, then yeah...

A middle roster 35 year old and sweet shouldn't be used together when discussing a bottom of the conference team having to trade assets for him.

Sweet spot term/money/role.

That’s dependent on what he gets in FA. He’s still good at 34. Burrows wasn’t good when we got him and neither was hamonic.

 

[jbeck5]

Sweet spot term/money/role.

That’s dependent on what he gets in FA. He’s still good at 34. Burrows wasn’t good when we got him and neither was hamonic.

They were ok, but they were on the decline. You could argue they were good a year before.

At 35, it's a matter of months before tanev falls off.

What do you think is honestly more likely in your experience as a sens fan.

That we pay a steep price to bring him in and he is very slow and a scapegoat and the fanbase is pissed that we spent so much for a guy that should be a healthy scratch....

Or...

We get a guy defenseman who has a second wind in his career and is a fan favourite for a few years leading to big success while he approaches 40.


When was the last time we had a 35 year old or older defenseman that we didn't want to scratch.

The decline is fast and sudden too in your mind 30s.


For every Giroux or Alfredsson that can play til at the top of their game into their late 30s, there's hundred of players who fall off a cliff and retire or hold onto an NHL spot for dear life just living off their name sake and an out of touch GM.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

At forward how many spots do we actually have open?
Tkatchuk stutzle giroux
Greig Norris batherson
Xxx pinto Joseph
Kelly xxx macewen.

So a vet for that third line role. I was disagreed with but I don’t see anything tempting in FA for that spot. Maybe we bring back tarasenko? But then we just have the same roster? Which is what we’re trying to avoid lol.
Maybe a big time vet end of career will come solidly the fourth line? But why?

Then we have space for two vets on the back end because brann and jbd are gone I think.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Presented without comment:

There are 18 DMan under contract who are 35yrs old or older right now. 12 of the have played games.

4 (Giordano, Goligoski, Vlasic, Staal) of the 12 are in and out of the lineup to varying degrees. The other 8 play basically every game.

3 of those 8(E & J Johnson, Shattenkirk) are used exclusively in a 3rd pair role; 3 of the other 8 (Suter, Petry, Martinez) are borderline middle pairing guys. 2 of them (Burns, Letang) are clear top 4D.

 

[BondraTime]

At forward how many spots do we actually have open?
Tkatchuk stutzle giroux
Greig Norris batherson
Xxx pinto Joseph
Kelly xxx macewen.

So a vet for that third line role. I was disagreed with but I don’t see anything tempting in FA for that spot. Maybe we bring back tarasenko? But then we just have the same roster? Which is what we’re trying to avoid lol.
Maybe a big time vet end of career will come solidly the fourth line? But why?

Then we have space for two vets on the back end because brann and jbd are gone I think.

Either of the 3 Canuck 3rd liners up for UFA would be unbelievable adds

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

They were ok, but they were on the decline. You could argue they were good a year before.

At 35, it's a matter of months before tanev falls off.

What do you think is honestly more likely in your experience as a sens fan.

That we pay a steep price to bring him in and he is very slow and a scapegoat and the fanbase is pissed that we spent so much for a guy that should be a healthy scratch....

Or...

We get a guy defenseman who has a second wind in his career and is a fan favourite for a few years leading to big success while he approaches 40.


When was the last time we had a 35 year old or older defenseman that we didn't want to scratch.

The decline is fast and sudden too in your mind 30s.


For every Giroux or Alfredsson that can play til at the top of their game into their late 30s, there's hundred of players who fall off a cliff and retire or hold onto an NHL spot for dear life just living off their name sake and an out of touch GM.

I won't argue for acquiring him, especially in this fashion with assets paid in trade, but I have watched this player a ton being that Calgary and Van are 2 of the teams I watch a lot, being out on the west coast. Imo, Tanev should be related a lot more closely to guys like Giroux and Alfredsson than Burrows and Hamonic. He is an absolute warrior, even if he's not as high end. Imo it won't be here, but I think he has a couple years of effectiveness as a top 4 guy still to go.

 

[jbeck5]

I won't argue for acquiring him, especially in this fashion with assets paid in trade, but I have watched this player a ton being that Calgary and Van are 2 of the teams I watch a lot, being out on the west coast. Imo, Tanev should be related a lot more closely to guys like Giroux and Alfredsson than Burrows and Hamonic. He is an absolute warrior, even if he's not as high end. Imo it won't be here, but I think he has a couple years of effectiveness as a top 4 guy still to go.

You may be right, but I think his league wide value was alot closer to burrows/hamonic then it was to Alfie/Giroux.

Hamonic and burrows were 3-4 million dollar guys in their prime while tanev is maybe 5 million in his prime. Whereas Alfie Giroux could have asked for like 8-9 million if in their prime in today's money.

So in my opinion, tanev, career wise, is closer to hamonic than Alfredsson.

But also, how many stay at home defenseman are actually very good at age 36-37-38? Once again, you may be right, but I think the odds are against that notion.

History shows there being much likelier odds that at that age, the fanbase is asking for him to be healthy scratched.


If they in fact do acquire him, I hope I'm wrong, but as it stands now, it looks absolutely silly to be targetting him as a bottom team while he has realistically only 6-12 months left as GOOD top 4 d in this league. We can revisit this prediction after the 25-26 season to see if he was still good.

My guess is he has the rest of this year and maybe 1 more year where he's a good top 4. After that he'll likely belong on the bottom pair or healthy scratched.

Just my best attempt at an educated guess. I'm no expert.

 

[Big Muddy]

I won't argue for acquiring him, especially in this fashion with assets paid in trade, but I have watched this player a ton being that Calgary and Van are 2 of the teams I watch a lot, being out on the west coast. Imo, Tanev should be related a lot more closely to guys like Giroux and Alfredsson than Burrows and Hamonic. He is an absolute warrior, even if he's not as high end. Imo it won't be here, but I think he has a couple years of effectiveness as a top 4 guy still to go.

Somewhere (in HF somewhere perhaps, Friedman seems to ring a bell) I saw stats for Tanev this year. They were very good. They might have been career best iirc. Assuming he could come with an extension, I wouldn't mind a Giroux type deal and a 2 or 3 year term would be fine. Not sure what Tanev has in mind though, and he could be looking for more and no idea if he wants to come to Ottawa. It seems more like a long shot unfortunately (just guessing). I'd think he's more of Giroux level than Burrows/Hamonic as well.

Edit - I found the article. Tanev's (very good) stats are at the bottom of the article.

Report: Senators Interested in Defenceman Chris Tanev

According to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, the Senators are interested in the Calgary Flames’ Chris Tanev.

gnichols.substack.com

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

You may be right, but I think his league wide value was alot closer to burrows/hamonic then it was to Alfie/Giroux.

Hamonic and burrows were 3-4 million dollar guys in their prime while tanev is maybe 5 million in his prime. Whereas Alfie Giroux could have asked for like 8-9 million if in their prime in today's money.

So in my opinion, tanev, career wise, is closer to hamonic than Alfredsson.

But also, how many stay at home defenseman are actually very good at age 36-37-38? Once again, you may be right, but I think the odds are against that notion.

History shows there being much likelier odds that at that age, the fanbase is asking for him to be healthy scratched.


If they in fact do acquire him, I hope I'm wrong, but as it stands now, it looks absolutely silly to be targetting him as a bottom team while he has realistically only 6-12 months left as GOOD top 4 d in this league. We can revisit this prediction after the 25-26 season to see if he was still good.

My guess is he has the rest of this year and maybe 1 more year where he's a good top 4. After that he'll likely belong on the bottom pair or healthy scratched.

Just my best attempt at an educated guess. I'm no expert.

I think you make some fair points. The actual skill level is closer to those guys for sure. I guess it's that it factor I can't argue in print that I see him sharing with G and Alfie.

I do think it's a bit silly if they're overly aggressive and pay too much, for sure. I'd be on board as a 2 year UFA deal, but that's about it. I think he'll play out a contract like that well, and it'll be the years that follow where we see the steep decline. Who knows though.

Somewhere (in HF somewhere) I saw stats for Tanev this year. They were very good. They might have been career best iirc. I wouldn't mind a Giroux type deal and a 2 or 3 year term would be fine. Not sure what Tanev has in mind though, and he could be looking for more and no idea if he wants to come to Ottawa. I'd think he's more of Giroux level than Burrows/Hamonic as well.

He looks as good as he ever has imo. If there is a decline, it's a fair criticism as an expectation based on age, but it hasn't happened yet.

He's certainly the type that will die trying either way, so at least there's that lol.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Either of the 3 Canuck 3rd liners up for UFA would be unbelievable adds

Who are they? Blueger Joshua Lafferty?

 

[Big Muddy]

He looks as good as he ever has imo. If there is a decline, it's a fair criticism as an expectation based on age, but it hasn't happened yet.

He's certainly the type that will die trying either way, so at least there's that lol.

I found the article that I was referring to and updated my post (#3468). Tanev's stats this year are very good.

 

[BrawlFan]

Sens are 19-25-2 thro 46 games. For a point total of 40 points.

Let’s assume for arguments sake that we do envision a run to get to the playoffs, regardless of it’s extremely low likelihood. And let us also assume that the point total to get us there is 93 points.

That would require a total point total of 53 points over 36 games.

23-7-6 kind of record. Extremely unlikely.

Now let’s look at the trade deadline of March 8th. The sens have 15 games before the deadline. I wonder what record we would need to have up until that point to bring in some belief?

The only reason I say this is because let us assume we go on a run, however unlikely it may be. And that these 15 games yeild a record of 10-2-3. Leaving us to get 13-5-3 over the last 21 games.

Do you think Brady and co would accept a tank trade? Would they be okay with losing pieces while they did their best ?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I found the article that I was referring to and updated my post (#3468). Tanev's stats this year are very good.

Thanks for posting. There's no reasonable argument he isn't good today. I think it's fair to say that nobody has valid criticism against his current play, it's the assumption he will rapidly decline.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Sens are 19-25-2 thro 46 games. For a point total of 40 points.

Let’s assume for arguments sake that we do envision a run to get to the playoffs, regardless of it’s extremely low likelihood. And let us also assume that the point total to get us there is 93 points.

That would require a total point total of 53 points over 36 games.

23-7-6 kind of record. Extremely unlikely.

Now let’s look at the trade deadline of March 8th. The sens have 15 games before the deadline. I wonder what record we would need to have up until that point to bring in some belief?

The only reason I say this is because let us assume we go on a run, however unlikely it may be. And that these 15 games yeild a record of 10-2-3. Leaving us to get 13-5-3 over the last 21 games.

Do you think Brady and co would accept a tank trade? Would they be okay with losing pieces while they did their best ?

We're bottom 5 in the league and last in the division.

I don't think they are going to be upset at the Senators moving UFAs, or moving Chychrun if they don't think they can re-sign him. They might be upset at the overall situation.

This isn't like last year, where the team was competing for a wild card spot. Had we traded Debrincat or Talbot (if healthy), that would have been a bad look.

I do think you're right in a sense, and if Staios is going after Tanev, what they believe and what they want the stakeholders to know is that they intend to not be a bottom 5 team next year. Adding Tanev with an extension gives them some credibility if they trade away Chychrun or a different core player with term. As in, nobody can point the finger and say they are giving up on this core or rebuilding, because they paid the price in term of picks+cap to add a veteran in a position of need.

 

[BondraTime]

Who are they? Blueger Joshua Lafferty?

Yes, all guys every team wants on their 3rd or 4th line