Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Burrowsaurus]

Yes, all guys every team wants on their 3rd or 4th line

Are they the vets staios are looking for.? Good fits with pinto and Joseph ? I honestly don’t know.

Also we need to start looking for some guys that can replace giroux on the top line. Don’t need to be first line elites but guys that can play up. Joesph and Greig are guys that can play up

 

[BondraTime]

Are they the vets staios are looking for.? Good fits with pinto and Joseph ? I honestly don’t know.

Also we need to start looking for some guys that can replace giroux on the top line. Don’t need to be first line elites but guys that can play up. Joesph and Greig are guys that can play up

They're all prototypical players that all good NHL teams want in their bottom 6. Fast, defensively responsible, physical and can chip in 25+ points.

If we don't want them, there is a problem in Denmark

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

They're all prototypical players that all good NHL teams want in their bottom 6. Fast, defensively responsible, physical and can chip in 25+ points.

If we don't want them, there is a problem in Denmark

What kind of contracts you think they'll get?

I've seen 4x$4-5 tossed around for Joshua, but only HF commentary.

 

[BondraTime]

What kind of contracts you think they'll get?

I've seen 4x$4-5 tossed around for Joshua, but only HF commentary.

Likely somewhere around the 3/4 x 3.5-4 mill range for Joshua.

Likely somewhere around 3 x 3/3.5 for Blueger

Likely somewhere around 3 x 3 for Lafferty.

All three are likely to be signed by competing, playoff rosters.

Joshua would be an absolute unit for the Sens. I think he will get a fat contract with his power forward game.

6'3, 210, hits like a truck, fights, great on the PK, good for 25+ points. Someone will offer a large contract.

 

[jbeck5]

Sens are 19-25-2 thro 46 games. For a point total of 40 points.

Let’s assume for arguments sake that we do envision a run to get to the playoffs, regardless of it’s extremely low likelihood. And let us also assume that the point total to get us there is 93 points.

That would require a total point total of 53 points over 36 games.

23-7-6 kind of record. Extremely unlikely.

Now let’s look at the trade deadline of March 8th. The sens have 15 games before the deadline. I wonder what record we would need to have up until that point to bring in some belief?

The only reason I say this is because let us assume we go on a run, however unlikely it may be. And that these 15 games yeild a record of 10-2-3. Leaving us to get 13-5-3 over the last 21 games.

Do you think Brady and co would accept a tank trade? Would they be okay with losing pieces while they did their best ?

I'd say they should have though of that in october-december.

If they are pissed, then they're still in denial thinking they're better than they are. They have to realize that they suck and need to become sponges to learn to play the game properly. Up til now, they haven't and shouldn't expect any help. We've litterally blown the rebuild wasting picks and prospects to get a bunch of star players and they've shat the bed.

They should know where they stand.

If they're pissed, they still haven't learned their lesson. Like when Giroux points to them being a 10 game winning streak away(newsflash, they're not) and Brady mentions st Louis being last and winning the cup...

It shows me that they still think they're some all star team who can win easily. They're not. The only way they win consistently is by realizing that they're dog shit unless they play their hearts out and also play smart.

They need a huge hit to their ego if they are seriously pissed about us not being buyers this year.

A big reality check.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Likely somewhere around the 3/4 x 3.5-4 mill range for Joshua.

Likely somewhere around 3 x 3/3.5 for Blueger

Likely somewhere around 3 x 3 for Lafferty.

All three are likely to be signed by competing, playoff rosters.

Joshua would be an absolute unit for the Sens. I think he will get a fat contract with his power forward game.

6'3, 210, hits like a truck, fights, great on the PK, good for 25+ points. Someone will offer a large contract.

Seems reasonable. I like him at 3x3.5. Being Ottawa, it'd probably need to be higher.

 

[HSF]

Kakko would be a good experiment

 

[Burrowsaurus]

They're all prototypical players that all good NHL teams want in their bottom 6. Fast, defensively responsible, physical and can chip in 25+ points.

If we don't want them, there is a problem in Denmark

They’re also great together. But it looks like garland plays with bleuger and Joshua. Maybe have great chemistry but when taken apart they don’t work out that great.

 

[Relapsing]

Still waiting for an example…. Asked before, but you did not support your accusation.

Do we really want to go down the road of keeping or trading away players based on social media posts? What about Russian players, who openly support their president, plus the fact that Russians aren’t allowed in the Olympics or World Championships ?

You really have nothing better to do with your time but scratch at a two week old post like a junkie?

Get a job you hippie.

While I prefer not to engage when someone levels a strawman argument for no reason other than to troll, let me be the first to say, nuts to any Russian who supports putin. They can eff right off. And if you have an issue with that, hire a medium and yell at old euge for blacklisting Russians on this team for years.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Kakko would be a good experiment

I think it will be Kakko for Monahan and a draft pick, or whoever is the deadline target of the Rangers. That saves the Rangers from burning a 1st or 2nd round pick on a rental and it opens up cap space.

Kakko is basically a UFA to the Rangers, because they won't want to qualify him and risk a high arbitration settlement that they cannot walk away from. I predicted earlier in this thread that he might be available for that reason. A team earlier in their rebuild with more cap flexibility won't have to worry about arbitration as much as the Rangers would.

I don't think he is worth a 1st round pick, but I could be wrong.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Likely somewhere around the 3/4 x 3.5-4 mill range for Joshua.

Likely somewhere around 3 x 3/3.5 for Blueger

Likely somewhere around 3 x 3 for Lafferty.

All three are likely to be signed by competing, playoff rosters.

Joshua would be an absolute unit for the Sens. I think he will get a fat contract with his power forward game.

6'3, 210, hits like a truck, fights, great on the PK, good for 25+ points. Someone will offer a large contract.

If the Nucks go deep you can probably bump those numbers up, too

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Kakko would be a good experiment

High probability of failure

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

High probability of failure

Yup. Fools gold imo. Trust your assessment of the player, not the draft status. Would be just like throwing away a 3rd on Filatov. Total waste.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Kakko had a major set back this season with injuries. If a team acquires him, they need to be in a position where they can sign him to an extension without worrying about the possibility that he might be overpaid.

His qualifying offer is 2.4M, and he will likely get more than that in arbitration. He also only has 2 seasons of team control left after this one. Meaning, any contract beyond 2 years has to pay a premium to buy up UFA years.

I could see the Helsinki Hurricanes acquiring him, but I don't think the cost will be all that high. If the Rangers get a 2nd for him, that's solid.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Sign me up on the Kakko gamble. Rangers aren't good at developing their young players.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Sign me up on the Kakko gamble. Rangers aren't good at developing their young players.

The issue would be, do you really want to burn assets and spend what would probably be 3.5M of cap space next year on a project?

His contract and arbitration is the big sticking point. He would be a good pickup for a team like Chicago, Montreal, etc. With how much pressure there is for the Senators to ice a winning team next year, I don't think they have the luxury to spend that kind of cap space on a player that isn't a known quantity.

Dorion picking up Joseph when he flamed out in Tampa was a move with a similar dynamic. Joseph wasn't likely to be qualified by Tampa because he would have a chance through arbitration to get a pretty high AAV compared to his role in Tampa, but Ottawa was rebuilding and had the flexibility to pay Joseph. They also really liked the player, which a risky pickup like that has to be contingent on.

A pickup like Kaliyev would be different because he won't be arbitration eligible. So while he is a reclamation project, there won't be a massive opportunity cost tied to putting him in the lineup. He likely signs 1 or 2 years at a low AAV. Not that I am advocating for Kaliyev, but the rumor that the Senators are interested in him might come up as a counter to the point that we're not in a position to invest cap in reclamation projects.

 

[benjiv1]

Someone reached out to make sure I wasn’t dead.

I’m not. Staios and Andlauer run a pretty tight ship, so I don’t the same kind of info anymore.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm willing to bet that paying a 1st for Tanev and signing him would benefit this team more than spending it on Kakko.

Not advocating for it, just my opinion of the two options discussed.

 

[armani]

Someone reached out to make sure I wasn’t dead.

I’m not. Staios and Andlauer run a pretty tight ship, so I don’t the same kind of info anymore.

Good to see you are alive and well, don't worry you will always be our very own insider!

 

[Sun God Nika]

Is there actually appetite from the flames to move Weegar? I feel Zub and Weegar are the perfect compliments to Chychrun and Sanderson long term

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Is there actually appetite from the flames to move Weegar? I feel Zub and Weegar are the perfect compliments to Chychrun and Sanderson long term

No, it's all predicated on the assumption the Flames will rebuild, which they have emphatically denied, including saying the word was not even allowed to be spoken at a press conference this summer (according to Flames fans, I have not fact checked).

The Flames are retooling and Weegar is about as good as any on that roster, on a reasonable contract. Imo he's not available.

 

[bert]

Kakko would be a good experiment

I saw a Rangers fan bring this up and I am pretty sure I would do it. Schneider is exactly what this team needs big physical stay at home RD with top 4 upside. Kakko plays a heavy two way game, I see him as a 20/20 guy that can move up and down the lineup. The sens have their skill up front. Both players are 22 years old and fit into the teams age groups. Goodrow has a cup plays a heavy game and is only 30. This team has players in skilled positions and i hate to give up Chychrun but they could lose him for nothing. Tarasenko is a UFA.

To NYR:
Tarasenko 50%
Chychrun

To Ott:
Schneider
Kakko
Goodrow

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I saw a Rangers fan bring this up and I am pretty sure I would do it. Schneider is exactly what this team needs big physical stay at home RD with top 4 upside. Kakko plays a heavy two way game, I see him as a 20/20 guy that can move up and down the lineup. The sens have their skill up front. Both players are 22 years old and fit into the teams age groups. Goodrow has a cup plays a heavy game and is only 30. This team has players in skilled positions and i hate to give up Chychrun but they could lose him for nothing. Tarasenko is a UFA.

To NYR:
Tarasenko 50%
Chychrun

To Ott:
Schneider
Kakko
Goodrow

I’m not sure I do that. Trying to get Schneider is one thing. We know our scouts liked him in that draft.

I read your last two sentences. Yeah if chychrun isn’t signing for something reasonable then yes that package is good

 

[Adele Dazeem]

I saw a Rangers fan bring this up and I am pretty sure I would do it. Schneider is exactly what this team needs big physical stay at home RD with top 4 upside. Kakko plays a heavy two way game, I see him as a 20/20 guy that can move up and down the lineup. The sens have their skill up front. Both players are 22 years old and fit into the teams age groups. Goodrow has a cup plays a heavy game and is only 30. This team has players in skilled positions and i hate to give up Chychrun but they could lose him for nothing. Tarasenko is a UFA.

To NYR:
Tarasenko 50%
Chychrun

To Ott:
Schneider
Kakko
Goodrow

Saw that too. I would consider it only if Chychyrun doesn't want to extend.

 

[Big Muddy]

High probability of failure

He played well for a stretch last year as I recall. Not sure what's happening this year - injuries I think. I'm not saying I'd go for Kakko. Just saying he hasn't been a complete flop if that's people are intimating.

I'd have some interest in Schneider depending on the price. The RD and style of play is a good fit to play along side one of our LD.