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Everything they're going to do hinges on the Chabot Chychrun debate. Pretty much a full change over of hockey people. What do Poulin, Staois, Martin and Alfie think of Chychrun and Chabot?

Sure they're going to move out some expiring contracts. But we can't pay 25M in cap space to the LHD position so that's got to get resolved.

I'm good with keeping Brannstrom and Tarasenko if the terms are good.
 
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Samboni said:
My problem with Joseph is that he is all flash and no finish.
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If that guy had finish he would be a 6 million dollar player lol and we wouldn’t be able to afford him.

And I mean this year he’s put away some chances

And flash might be harsh. He’s solid defensively and works the boards

JD1 said:
Everything they're going to do hinges on the Chabot Chychrun debate. Pretty much a full change over of hockey people. What do Poulin, Staois, Martin and Alfie think of Chychrun and Chabot?

Sure they're going to move out some expiring contracts. But we can't pay 25M in cap space to the LHD position so that's got to get resolved.

I'm good with keeping Brannstrom and Tarasenko if the terms are good.
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Well chychrun wants 8-9 we can’t keep him.

But it looks like they’re gonna try and fit all three in. Zub is not a flashy player. But he fits well. We need two more cheap zubs lol
 
Burrowsaurus said:
If that guy had finish he would be a 6 million dollar player lol and we wouldn’t be able to afford him.

And I mean this year he’s put away some chances

And flash might be harsh. He’s solid defensively and works the boards


Well chychrun wants 8-9 we can’t keep him.

But it looks like they’re gonna try and fit all three in. Zub is not a flashy player. But he fits well. We need two more cheap zubs lol
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You can't keep both him and Chabot. Not once Chychrun is on his new deal. Assuming Jake is the lock, then it is one of the other two..
 
Tuna99 said:
They keep everyone this summer - they will trade Branny and Forsberg for cheaper salary and replace them with Kleven and Soggard and save +$2 million in cap space
They will resign Vlad Tarasenko an after trading him this summer.

They keep Chychryn and sign him next summer to an extension

Next summer they trade Josh Norris after Stutzle, Pinto and Greig have had a year to season and use that cap space to extend Chychryn
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I don't mind this outside of Soogard. He's not even close to ready, he is so unstable in his movements. His tracking and positioning is years away from NHL standards. I'd rather another veteran in net for stability. I'd target Brossoit he's solid, 2 years 2.5 million. Tell him it's his net if he can take it. Better situation than behind Hellybuyck in Winnipeg. Who's gonna take Forsberg anyways? He needs to come back and play well for anyone to consider it. If the sens play with structure it could happen. Brannstroms qualifying offer is over 2 million. I think he walks if they can't find someone to trade for him this year.

I'd like them to target another forward with a high motor who is hard to play against to replace Tarasenko. L A might have one that's expendable. A guy like Moore or Arvidsson. Miles Wood, Ross Colton a player like that.

On D I think Kleven will be ready for bottom pairing deployment. They gotta get rid of Hamonic a buy out? Then try and find a RD. Tanev or Roy would be amazing.
 
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bert said:
I don't mind this outside of Soogard. He's not even close to ready, he is so unstable in his movements. His tracking and positioning is years away from NHL standards. I'd rather another veteran in net for stability. I'd target Brossoit he's solid, 2 years 2.5 million. Tell him it's his net if he can take it. Better situation than behind Hellybuyck in Winnipeg. Who's gonna take Forsberg anyways? He needs to come back and play well for anyone to consider it. If the sens play with structure it could happen. Brannstroms qualifying offer is over 2 million. I think he walks if they can't find someone to trade for him this year.

I'd like them to target another forward with a high motor who is hard to play against to replace Tarasenko. L A might have one that's expendable. A guy like Moore or Arvidsson. Miles Wood, Ross Colton a player like that.

On D I think Kleven will be ready for bottom pairing deployment. They gotta get rid of Hamonic a buy out? Then try and find a RD. Tanev or Roy would be amazing.
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Sogaard needs to be in the AHL again next season.
 
bert said:
I don't mind this outside of Soogard. He's not even close to ready, he is so unstable in his movements. His tracking and positioning is years away from NHL standards. I'd rather another veteran in net for stability. I'd target Brossoit he's solid, 2 years 2.5 million. Tell him it's his net if he can take it. Better situation than behind Hellybuyck in Winnipeg. Who's gonna take Forsberg anyways? He needs to come back and play well for anyone to consider it. If the sens play with structure it could happen. Brannstroms qualifying offer is over 2 million. I think he walks if they can't find someone to trade for him this year.

I'd like them to target another forward with a high motor who is hard to play against to replace Tarasenko. L A might have one that's expendable. A guy like Moore or Arvidsson. Miles Wood, Ross Colton a player like that.

On D I think Kleven will be ready for bottom pairing deployment. They gotta get rid of Hamonic a buy out? Then try and find a RD. Tanev or Roy would be amazing.
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Hamonic I keep just for stability and pencil him in for 20-30 injury replacement games next year. JBD has shown he can play that bottom pairing well enough for 15 minutes a night.

I think you could find a taker for Forsebrg this trade deadline if he’s healthy. Pretty desperate market for goalies and he’s on a 1 year contract and his stats were decent this year for such a deal team.

A couple of shutouts on his return and you’ll probably yards Firsebrg for a B-C level prospect. I’m also not huge on Soggard, could trade him if you’re looking for a real upgrade in goal
 
To Vegas - Chychrun + Tank 50% retained

To Ottawa - Zach Whitecloud

Vegas is always all in.
 
JD1 said:
You can't keep both him and Chabot. Not once Chychrun is on his new deal. Assuming Jake is the lock, then it is one of the other two..
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So, assuming Chychrun wants ~8 mil, and we fill spots 5-7 with contract that average about 1 mil each, we'd end up with about 31.5 commited to D with a cap of 92 mil, so around 34%. That's similar to Winnipeg, Carolina, Boston, Colorado, and Vancouver in terms of cap% dedicated to D.

There's a strong case to be made for changing the mix, but I think from a cap hit perspective we can actually make things work with 3 D making ~8 mil. The question is more can we make it work with those three guys. I don't really like either on their offside, perhaps with more experience doing it that could change, or maybe Sanderson on the right is the answer.
 
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I’d really like to see from the “can’t keep both” crowd what a defence that wins championships looks like cap wise. An actual team. Not the EA version.

It’s ridiculous. You can keep both. You don’t want to keep both. Stop with the cants.
 
BondraTime said:
Would legitimately not trade a 2nd/3rd for Whitecloud

That's the equivalent of 1st + prospect + 2 2nds
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I’ve not seen much Vegas this year but I thought Whitecloud was very solid in the playoffs last year.
 
BrawlFan said:
I’d really like to see from the “can’t keep both” crowd what a defence that wins championships looks like cap wise. An actual team. Not the EA version.

It’s ridiculous. You can keep both. You don’t want to keep both. Stop with the cants.
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Sens keeping both, top 3 D paid ~25 million

Vegas: Theodore, Pie, McNabb - 16.85 million
Colorado: Makar, Girard, Toews - 18.1 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Blues: Pie, Boumeester, Parayko - 17.4 million
Caps: Orlov, Orpik, Niskanen - 16.3 million
Pens: Cole, Schultz, Daley - 7.5 million
Pens: Letang, Schultz, Daley - 13 million

Pretty simple, no? Even adjusting cap Sens would be spending a significantly, significantly higher amount on their top 3 D than every single cup winner over the past 10+ years.
 
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Micklebot said:
There's a strong case to be made for changing the mix, but I think from a cap hit perspective we can actually make things work with 3 D making ~8 mil. The question is more can we make it work with those three guys. I don't really like either on their offside, perhaps with more experience doing it that could change, or maybe Sanderson on the right is the answer.
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Why not just run them on 3 pairings? Let one of them feast on lower qoc and spread the mins out pretty evenly and give extra time to whatever pairing is on that night?
 
GCK said:
Nope. Perfect fit for the Sens
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Even if he is, with Chychrun the Sens have to maximize their return. This doesn't come close to doing that.

There's a tendency to try to turn Chychrun into the RHD solution - Erik Karlsson or now (checks name) Zach Whitecloud. We can do this in more than one move.
 
GCK said:
I’ve not seen much Vegas this year but I thought Whitecloud was very solid in the playoffs last year.
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He's a 3rd pair/pressbox guy with 2nd PK duties.

He may soon to be out of the top 6 in Vegas, if they can get a pick for him this summer they likely take it.

He's an everyday player in Ottawa, but he isn't a top 4 guy, nor is he worth close to that package
 
BondraTime said:
Sens keeping both, top 3 D paid ~25 million

Vegas: Theodore, Pie, McNabb - 16.85 million
Colorado: Makar, Girard, Toews - 18.1 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Lightning: Hedman, McD, Sergachev - 19.4 million
Blues: Pie, Boumeester, Parayko - 17.4 million
Caps: Orlov, Orpik, Niskanen - 16.3 million
Pens: Cole, Schultz, Daley - 7.5 million
Pens: Letang, Schultz, Daley - 13 million

Pretty simple, no?
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Looking at TBL, that 19.4 that won back to back cups ends up looking closer to 22 in a 92 mil cap world when we're considering extending Chych, and 25 mil represents the worst year, as the cap continues to rise the gap shrink with us having our top three locked up with term.
 
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Why not just run them on 3 pairings? Let one of them feast on lower qoc and spread the mins out pretty evenly and give extra time to whatever pairing is on that night?
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If we can find someone other than Zub who can play in the top 4, sure I guess that's an option,
 
Micklebot said:
Looking at TBL, that 19.4 that won back to back cups ends up looking closer to 22 in a 92 mil cap world when we're considering extending Chych, and 25 mil represents the worst year, as the cap continues to rise the gap shrink with us having our top three locked up with term.
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And when compared to every other winner, still incredibly, incredibly, incredibly high. These teams stop being contenders as soon as the players get above a salary threshold.

Teams aren’t paying their top 3 D excessive amounts of money. Sens would be the highest in the league, by a significant margin.

It’s generally 1 star making 7+, 1/2 mid level pay guys from 5-7, and balanced depth.

Vegas will have a much harder time winning when Theodore is making more than 5.2, the same way the Lightning are struggling with Sergachev making 8.5 instead of 4.5.

Sens are going straight to that point, without the winning, and that wouldn’t bode well.

Right now (obviously should have another ~3-4 guys added) there are only 18 D making 8 million a year for 2025.

Only teams with more than 1 are the Sens, Sabres and Rangers. No teams with more than 2. If the Sens keep Chych, they will account for 3/22ish, ~14% of the D making 8+ in the entire league. That’s not good. At all.
 
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