Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Big Muddy]

Setting aside the cap situation (large $s) with 3 LD (Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson), they still need a good RD.

Trying a LD on the right side hasn't worked. That concern was swept under the rug and replaced with "hope" last year prior to the Chychrun trade.

The only good/decent RD we have is Zub.

One possible way (not saying its the only one) of solving the RD issue is to leverage the excess LD into a RD ultimately. One way or another, we need to find a way.

I think our forward situation is in decent shape relatively speaking (versus D). They need to find a winger to play in the top 6, or resign Tarasenko. I'd guess that will be less challenging than the RD situation.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Would you trade 3 first round picks for Whitecloud? Because thats what you are saying.


Thank god.

DJ never listened to me and look where that got him!

Cuts off the part where he says that the Cap will come into play

Yeah but he does say there’s always a way to make it work

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

One of Chabot/Chychrun, undoubtedly. Both are top pair D when they are on, which is likely to be happening more moving forward.

Zub is great, Brannstrom is a #6/pressbox player

They are good d but Chabot Chychrun have a hard time out performing Brannstrom in the last 2 years. but they are top pair d and Brannstrom is a #6/press box player?

based on the eye test and the advanced stats they are closer in quality than that.

 

[BondraTime]

They are good d but Chabot Chychrun have a hard time out performing Brannstrom in the last 2 years. but they are top pair d and Brannstrom is a #6/press box player?

based on the eye test and the advanced stats they are closer in quality than that.

Brannstrom plays 15 minutes a game of the easiest minutes, and is not very good at doing it.

He's the definition of 6/pressbox player, that's the role he's suited for, and is currently playing.

The eye test is what's telling me he's a 6/pressbox guy, seems we have different eye test gauges, which is perfectly fine.

There's not a team in the league that would be happy with Brann in their top 4, every team in the league would take Chabot or Chych in their top 4

 

[bert]

Brannstrom plays 15 minutes a game of the easiest minutes, and is not very good at doing it.

He's the definition of 6/pressbox player, that's the role he's suited for, and is currently playing.

The eye test is what's telling me he's a 6/pressbox guy, seems we have different eye test gauges, which is perfectly fine.

There's not a team in the league that would be happy with Brann in their top 4, every team in the league would take Chabot or Chych in their top 4

No playoff team has had a player like Brannstrom in its lineup in decades. Last team to win a cup with a D man under 6 ft not named Cale Makar. GO!

 

[GCK]

He's a 3rd pair/pressbox guy with 2nd PK duties.

He may soon to be out of the top 6 in Vegas, if they can get a pick for him this summer they likely take it.

He's an everyday player in Ottawa, but he isn't a top 4 guy, nor is he worth close to that package

Vegas doles out ice time pretty evenly across their D, but like I said he was good during last years playoffs.

Would you trade 3 first round picks for Whitecloud? Because thats what you are saying.


Thank god.

I don’t think Tank at 50% retained gets a 1st and I doubt Chychrun gets 2x 1sts even with a relatively low 4.6M AAV.

 

[Hale The Villain]

No playoff team has had a player like Brannstrom in its lineup in decades. Last team to win a cup with a D man under 6 ft not named Cale Makar. GO!

Well that's just not true.

Hawks won in 2010 with Brian Campbell
Bruins won in 2011 with Andrew Ference
Hawks won in 2015 with Kimmo Timonen
Pens won in 2016 and 2017 with Trevor Daley
Caps won in 2019 with Dmitri Orlov

And there's a whole lot of players generously listed at 6'0 feet that teams won with as well.

A big defense is absolutely a benefit come playoff time but having a below average sized D or two isn't going to prevent you from winning the cup if they are good defensively.

Is Brannstrom that player? I doubt it. He's an okay bottom pairing guy but if he was on a contender he's probably someone you look to push out of the lineup come the deadline.

 

[Crosside]

Long time we have not see Benjiv

 

[bicboi64]

Based on Staios's interview they wont be targeting players like Kaliev. They dont need any more guys like that they need fast, hard heavy forwards they have the guys in the skill positions up front. More players like Joseph, Formenton etc. Workers that can play on an offensive line.

Damn, it that's the case, LA won't be a good trade partner at all. No way they move a more established forward like Danault, Fiala, or Kempe. I still want Matt Roy though. Even if we get a guy like Kaliev, can always try using him to address another gap but you've got a valid point

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd just like to see them resolve it before moving the better player. If we can't fill the hole properly, I'd rather a miscast quality LD over a natural RD that isn't good.

 

[Xspyrit]

What would this team look like if we deal Tank, Norris, Brann, Kubalik, Giroux and chychrun before the deadline? (Assuming Norris plays lights out until the deadline, and Giroux moves entirely at his discretion with the clear message that we prefer he stays).

That's almost $30M in outgoing salary and i think the remaining core is still somewhat competitive going into next season.

Anyone game for a dramatic retool like this?

I feel like the assets gained could build a juggernaut in about 3-5 years.

Like Butchy Dakkar said, not only this team needs Giroux but they also need to be competitive NOW, not in 3-5 years.

In 3 years, Tkachuk and Chabot will have 1 year before UFA, Stutzle 4 years, Norris 3 years, Batherson and Zub will be UFA, Joseph will have been UFA 1 year prior, same with Chychrun, Sanderson will have 5 years left

What we don't need is to have the most cap space as possible, unless you can guarantee we are going to sign some of the best UFAs for years to come? That's not a good bet.

And hopefully it's not just a small stretch of good play but they look like they have turned a corner and every metrics say that in the last 7 games. Even since the beginning of january, our ES play is sold and the PK is improving. The PP is still nowhere to be found though.

Since January 1st for 5 on 5 play (11 games played) :

- 1st in CF/60
- 9th in CA/60
- 3rd in CF%
- 4th in SF/60
- 18th in SA/60
- 9th in SF%
- 2nd in xGF/60
- 26th in xGA/60
- 9th in xGF%

We have been out attempting, outshooting and outchancing our opponents all month, and better than most teams in the NHL, it's trending in the right direction.

Our xGA/60 on the PK has been the 6th best, CA/60 the 8th best and SA/60 the 13th. xGF/60 the 6th best and xGF% the 2nd best. This looks to be going in the right direction as well

Our PP is absymal though, worst xGF/60 in the league

 

[Xspyrit]

Brannstrom still unpopular with several it seems. Sure, he plays a 3rd line role which is not the most difficult out there but his metrics are once again very solid when he is NOT paired with Travis Hamonic... Best xGF% at ES overall the last 2 seasons on the team despite a lot of minutes with Holden and Hamonic, which reduces the role difficulty factor big time.

I'm open to trade him but disagree he's a borderline player

Sens should be offering Hakanpaa a 3 year 12-14 million dollar deal, get him and Chabot together, and then roll with:

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Hakanpaa
Kleven-JBD/UFA

You've got a lot of size, defensive ability, physicality, and offense together as a unit. 4 guys who can play 20+ minutes any given night, guys that compliment each other, and defined roles for every single guy

We already have 4 guys who can play 20+ minutes any given night, the problem is more the LHD/RHD balance. Jani Hakanpää would be one of the best options to rebalance all that (assuming we'd trade Chychrun I guess)

I wonder if we could afford to keep Chychrun by not bringing back Tarasenko, Kubalik and Brannstrom. I guess it depends if we could find cheap efficient forwards (Järnkrok for example) to round out the forward group

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Hakanpaa
Chychrun-JBD
Guenette

I know it's a lot of money on defense but I see it as our opportunity to make it our strength compared to other teams.

To Vegas - Chychrun + Tank 50% retained

To Ottawa - Zach Whitecloud

Vegas is always all in.

What is that? Sorry but one of the most lopsided proposals I have seen in a while...

Chychrun was worth 12th OA + 2nd + 2nd one year ago and Tarasenko was worth 1st + 3rd

This is basically saying that Whitecloud is worth 12th OA + 1st + 2nd + 2nd + 3rd

This is insane

 

[LiseL]

If Chychrun is going to leave, there's no other scenario unfortunately.

They could look to move Chabot at the draft if they want, but for the time being Chychrun is the only possible move to be made, which I don't think is a difficult decision for the management group with all known information.


Absolutely, I was more pointing out the organization is higher on Chabot part.

I'm not a huge fan of Chabot's play these last few years but he was much better when he played with a defensively-minded partner like DeMelo, much like EK was more effective when partnered with Methot. Isn't it possible that Chabot could return to form if they picked up a good RD for him to play with?

 

[GCK]

Brannstrom still unpopular with several it seems. Sure, he plays a 3rd line role which is not the most difficult out there but his metrics are once again very solid when he is NOT paired with Travis Hamonic... Best xGF% at ES overall the last 2 seasons on the team despite a lot of minutes with Holden and Hamonic, which reduces the role difficulty factor big time.

I'm open to trade him but disagree he's a borderline player



We already have 4 guys who can play 20+ minutes any given night, the problem is more the LHD/RHD balance. Jani Hakanpää would be one of the best options to rebalance all that (assuming we'd trade Chychrun I guess)

I wonder if we could afford to keep Chychrun by not bringing back Tarasenko, Kubalik and Brannstrom. I guess it depends if we could find cheap efficient forwards (Järnkrok for example) to round out the forward group

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Hakanpaa
Chychrun-JBD
Guenette

I know it's a lot of money on defense but I see it as our opportunity to make it our strength compared to other teams.



What is that? Sorry but one of the most lopsided proposals I have seen in a while...

Chychrun was worth 12th OA + 2nd + 2nd one year ago and Tarasenko was worth 1st + 3rd

This is basically saying that Whitecloud is worth 12th OA + 1st + 2nd + 2nd + 3rd

This is insane

Chychrun won’t return what we paid and I don’t believe Tank will get a 1st.

 

[Senscore]

Chychrun won’t return what we paid and I don’t believe Tank will get a 1st.

It depends entirely on how open to being moved he is.

If he's comfortable with a number of teams I can see him getting a first. If he has one particular destination in mind then perhaps not.

And then there's the possibility he doesn't want to leave his family.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

To Carolina:
Chychrun
Hamonic (50%) retained
OTT 3rd 2025

To Ottawa:
Pesce ($4.75M x 4 extension)
CAR 1st in 2024 (Lottery protected)

 

[Micklebot]

Chychrun won’t return what we paid and I don’t believe Tank will get a 1st.

Tank got a 1st last deadline with similar stats and a higher initial cap hit. If we're willing to retain up to 50% and/or take back cash to make it work, there should be a wealth of teams interested in him, assuming he isn't blocking contenders, I can't see why a 1st isn't reasonable.

 

[Crosside]

To Carolina:
Chychrun
Hamonic (50%) retained
OTT 3rd 2025

To Ottawa:
Pesce ($4.75M x 4 extension)
CAR 1st in 2024 (Lottery protected)

Don t know why Carolina have to give a first

 

[Micklebot]

To Carolina:
Chychrun
Hamonic (50%) retained
OTT 3rd 2025

To Ottawa:
Pesce ($4.75M x 4 extension)
CAR 1st in 2024 (Lottery protected)

Hamonic has a full NMC and likes it here, I suspect he's not going anywhere.

I'm also skeptical you could extend Pesce to that deal, probably have to go more in the 5.5-6 range. Even that, idk. Think of what it took to extend Methot at the same age, we gave him 4.9 and that was back when the cap was 73.5 mil, so Meth's deal was worth about 5.5 x 4 yrs in today's dollars.

 

[Micklebot]

Don t know why Carolina have to give a first

They are getting a fair bit younger, Chychrun is on a very good cap hit next year, and the first is presumably a late first, but it might still be a bit much to expect a first.

 

[aragorn]

I'd lock Chychrun up and trade chabot. Chychrun is our 2nd best D, I really think it's a mistake to move him unless he won't re-sign.

I've wondered for sometime if a Chabot for Laine trade would work over the summer. Ottawa could add Chartier to even up the money & Chabot has an extra two yrs left on his contract which he really isn't living up to. Given that Laine has been a bit of a disappointment in Columbus & if he doesn't do great here we could either trade him later or re-sign him for much less. I assume Laine would be good here with the number of playmakers Ott has to get the puck to him.

 

[Relapsing]

I know you gotta play nice as a first year NHL level GM and all... But I wouldn't be doing anything that helps Vegas out for a while. Yeah, dorion was an idiot and he effed up royally, but that franchise can pound salt for all I care.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Pesce will get 6M+ at 6-8 years.

By the time other players like Demelo are re-signed, Pesce will be one of the few top pair RHD available, let alone top 4 RHD.

The cap is going up for the first time in years. Even if he has seen less usage in Carolina than previously, he still will get paid big time.

You also have to assume like most players he won't come to Ottawa. We also don't know if this ownership is going to be fine with giving out signing bonuses and NMCs. If we assume he has to sign a contract with similar structure to the rest of the Ottawa roster, it probably takes something close to 8x8 in a sign-and-trade to get him to consider coming here. That's the kind of contract where he has to consider it, even if Ottawa is far from his first choice.

I know you gotta play nice as a first year NHL level GM and all... But I wouldn't be doing anything that helps Vegas out for a while. Yeah, dorion was an idiot and he effed up royally, but that franchise can pound salt for all I care.

What if Staois says that the price for Tarasenko is a 1st.

Vegas is the first team to meet this price. Staois says no because of Dorion's honor.

Come the TDL, no other team meets that price, and we have to deal Tarasenko for a 2nd or a 3rd.

Do you still feel that way? Or do you view it like this is a team with only 31 other teams to trade with, and only a small sample of those 31 are going to be buyers, so you can't be selective about your dealings.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I've wondered for sometime if a Chabot for Laine trade would work over the summer. Ottawa could add Chartier to even up the money & Chabot has an extra two yrs left on his contract which he really isn't living up to. Given that Laine has been a bit of a disappointment in Columbus & if he doesn't do great here we could either trade him later or re-sign him for much less. I assume Laine would be good here with the number of playmakers Ott has to get the puck to him.

If you take everything Staios has said they want in a player, and then do the exact opposite, that's Laine.

With that said, I think you're right about the type of trade that would be out there for Chabot. Another young-ish former superstar who is damaged goods, has term+money, but might have some upside with a change of scenery.

 

[Micklebot]

Pesce will get 6M+ at 6-8 years.

By the time other players like Demelo are re-signed, Pesce will be one of the few top pair RHD available, let alone top 4 RHD.

The cap is going up for the first time in years. Even if he has seen less usage in Carolina than previously, he still will get paid big time.

You also have to assume like most players he won't come to Ottawa. We also don't know if this ownership is going to be fine with giving out signing bonuses and NMCs. If we assume he has to sign a contract with similar structure to the rest of the Ottawa roster, it probably takes something close to 8x8 in a sign-and-trade to get him to consider coming here. That's the kind of contract where he has to consider it, even if Ottawa is far from his first choice.



What if Staois says that the price for Tarasenko is a 1st.

Vegas is the first team to meet this price. Staois says no because of Dorion's honor.

Come the TDL, no other team meets that price, and we have to deal Tarasenko for a 2nd or a 3rd.

Do you still feel that way? Or do you view it like this is a team with only 31 other teams to trade with, and only a small sample of those 31 are going to be buyers, so you can't be selective about your dealings.

idk about 8 years at that price, he's 30 years old to start that contract, you're suggesting it will take more to sign him than Weegar coming off a a damn good season. If he gets term it should push down the cap hit a bit, if he doesn't get term it will likely cost a bit more.